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David Axelrod and Michelle Obama running for president

Barack Obama is not a conservative. He's a progressive leftist ideologue who pouted about the dominated House and Senate Republicans not seeing his illustrious vision for the "world".

That's also a good take on him.

A leftist at heart, a conservative in action...

But an empty suit regardless.
 
Well I am pretty sure her father didn’t buy her way into Princeton, so there is always that.

That is usually a sign of success. Well, that and her working her way up from a poor family to graduating cum laude from Princeton and getting her JD from Harvard.

Not saying anybody’s father bought their way into anything. Just saying that making it on your own is much more impressive than having family connections.

Some good points, but Michelle grew up in a small middle class family.
 
Obie was/is a reasoned but ineffective centrist.

If you're in the *center* between two large conservative factions, you're a conservative.
 
Smart black woman! ATTACK!

If one were to compare your career to hers, you would come away lacking.

But affirmative action. Sure.

Sour grapes.

:failpail:
 
why?

I have never lost a case vs a lawyer in my life.

Do not confuse a title with knowledge, intellect nor ability.

True dat.

I've seen homeless people one outburst away from the psyche ward absolutely destroy lawyers in court on more than one occasion...
 
I am Beyoncé. Did I ever tell you that? If you don’t believe me, I can post a pic.

Made me lol.

And I'm Abraham Lincoln, so I rarely even smile.
 
I don't watch Tucker, Meadows, or any of the other partisan talking heads. Almost all of them slant the facts to suit a political lean. I prefer NPR, Reuters, and occasionally BBC News. I can gather the facts and form my opinion, I dont need to borrow.

All liberal (ie: corporate, pro-Pentagon, conservative) sources.

Liberals = Confused conservatives
 
Well, I'm of the opinion that having the wisdom to marry a man who had the potential to become president of the united states, is an accomplishment unto itself.

She gives great speeches, and being president is all about giving speeches, motivating people, lifting people with your words. The rest is stuff one can just study and get up to date on. She'll have her husband to advise her on the machinations of governance.

What you need is wisdom more than experience. She's been around the corridors of power for a long time, up close.

As for coattail riding, Biden wouldn't have anywhere near the name recognition were it not for his being veep, and I don't see you complaining about Biden.

Yes. :thumbs:
 
I have bashed Biden many a time-this is not the thread for it. I would agree Michelle is brighter than Biden. His main strength is that he has spent so much time in politics he can fake sounding like he actually knows what he is talking about it. he really is a dolt but an experienced dolt

LOL!

:thumbs:
 
Both. :)

I spent my formative years as a Sox fan, but after college, and relocating to the Northwest suburbs became a Cubs fan. Raising sons had a lot to do with that.

Now I am a SD Padres fan.

An acceptable, though not ideal position...

ChiSox 4eva!!!!
 
I guess that could be so to some. I sort of found her distasteful when she talked about she really didn't respect her country. I guess to some that means nothing

Well, I get it. She didn't mean it in a backhanded way either; she was sincerely proud of the stride BO's ascendancy represented, at least culturally.

Remember that she would have been JUST old enough to have fleeting memories of MLK's assassination, and definitely old enough to have witnessed things like the Boston bus riots, and formed opinions about these events.

She wears her heart on her sleeveless sleeve.

In fact, one of my favorite things about her is the faces she made during Barry's speeches. (They're the same ones I made.)

Very honest; charmingly so.
 
MY vote is for Warren. I was saying that Bloomberg will dilute votes across the board.
I am not even trying to figure out which candidate he hurts more, or hurts less, because in the end, it still winds up being a matter of "every vote for Bloomberg" (who has LESS than ZERO chance of winning) takes away a vote for any of the other candidates who do have a chance.

Bloomberg is the 2020 Ralph Nader, or the 2020 Ross Perot, depending on how you look at it.
All he will do is siphon votes away from viable people.

It's his HUBRIS that makes him believe he can win.

Neither Nader nor Perot "siphoned" anything.

And the idea that ANY candidate "siphons" votes?

Utterly repulsive.

Thoroughly undemocratic.

In other words, Democrat!

:donkeyfla
 
Rather than deal with the fact that she has lots of baggage, has a resume that is mainly based on whom she is married to, and has made some really idiotic comments (such as she wasn't proud of the USA until her family was in the White House) you try to insinuate racism. Pathetic.

I lost respect for her when she kept herself quite, which was out of character for her, for 8 years because her husband was President for political purposes.
 
LOL, yeah, right. The "why you cannot figures that out" (sic) guy has an academic record stronger than Michelle Obama's. Sure, sure, pal. We believe you.

"A few hours here." 222K posts. Two. Hundred. And. Twenty. Two. Thousand. Posts. Yep, a few hours. :roll:

He has been on this board for 14 years.

Why do you think that is a lot of posting in 14 years?
 
How did Obama help her skip the 2nd grade?

How did Obama help her be in gifted classes in the sixth grade?

How did Obama help her graduate cum laude from Princeton?

How did Obama help her graduate from Harvard Law?

Any one of these accomplishments is better than most of us on here. Especially those of us who tell the truth about our resumes.

So how did Obama help her, when she didn’t even meet him until after she graduated from Harvard?

It doesn't matter what you did in school or what school you went to. It does matter what you did with that knowledge after you graduated.
 
It's funny to see a Trumper Internet dweller like you, barely articulate (see the post right above mine), who seems to spend your unproductive life here (222K posts) questioning the intelligence of a Harvard and Princeton graduate. :roll:

Apparently being a reality TV show host and fraudster are better qualifications for the job of POTUS. :roll:

But the point is not even if Michelle Obama is qualified or not, or is intelligent or not. The point is that she is the ONLY Democrat, in my opinion, who can beat Donald Trump. That's why she should run. For me, the best qualification a pre-candidate can have at this point, is "can and will beat Trump." On these grounds, Mrs. Obama would have my vote, anytime.

Unfortunately, I don't think she will run. That's just a TV pundit spreading rumors and fishing for an audience. Mrs. Obama has made it pretty clear. She abhors politics, resents the spotlight, and just wants to be with her husband and children. Which is sad, almost tragic, because it will result in four more years of Trump.

Some good points.

Minus the disgraceful ad hom in the first paragraph.
 
Really bizarre speculation, but it does get the Con base riled up.

It actually is quite insane. I don't know why anybody takes anything that Carlson tucker says seriously.
 
LOL, yeah, right. The "why you cannot figures that out" (sic) guy has an academic record stronger than Michelle Obama's. Sure, sure, pal. We believe you.

"A few hours here." 222K posts. Two. Hundred. And. Twenty. Two. Thousand. Posts. Yep, a few hours. :roll:

In FIFTEEN years.

The ad hom makes you look bad, btw.

:shrug:
 
The funnest part is why does Axelrod attack Biden?
 
But running inside the Democratic party, he will not get the nomination; too late for that, he is polling 3%, so, he won't actually steal votes from anybody in the general election, because he won't qualify. Running as an independent, he might steal those votes, and might be able to target the ideological profile he thought would be most favorable to stealing votes from Trump, by simply using his immense fortune to flood the airwaves with ads pretending to be conservative. Trump was a lifelong Democrat then suddenly pretended to be a Republican. Bloomberg, much richer, would be able to do the same. Don't underestimate the stupidity of the Republican voters; with massive ads, he might be able to fool many.


Right. But he will help Warren and Sanders more than anyone else.


I'm okay with that, I'm voting for Warren, as long as she's toning down her "M4A" rhetoric.


As for Trump being a democrat, you have to understand who Trump is. He is whoever he thinks is better for his bottom line.

During his bout with the celeb apprentice reality show, the vast majority of celebs are dems, so therefore, he's a "dem"

In other words, he wasn't a dem because of convictions, principles, no, he was a dem because it was expedient at the time. Trump, long before tossing his hat in the ring, was a celebrity hound, THAT IS WHY he was a dem.

Running for prez, he knows damn well no democrat is going to vote for such a guy as Trump, but he does know that repubs are more favoring rich guys who troll the the opposing party. so, to become president, viola, he's a republican! He's a fake, a conman, a charlatan.

The height of proof of this was when he was questioned about whether or not a woman should be punished if she had an abortion.

Now, for a true conservative, who has given tremendous thought about this subject, the answer would be a no brainer, "NO". (punish the abortion providers, the woman is a victim here )

But, trump, hesitated, he hadn't really thought about that one as a true conservative would have, so he searched is mind, for what? He searched his mind for what he thought might be how a conservative would answer that question, so he said "yes, they should be punished".

Of course, it was a miscalculation. He got scolded by the right on that point. See, the point is, he wasn't a true republican, because a true republican wouldn't have hesitated on that point. Yes, I know, some extreme righties have supported punishment for a woman, but that is not the majority, and the majority is where Trump wants to be.

It really doesn't matter which party Trump is, Trump is, and always will be, an empty suit.
 
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This is true.

If Bloomberg is honestly saying that he wants to run just as an obligation to get Trump defeated, he has chosen the worst possible strategy. To really damage Trump, he should run as an independent, posing as conservatively as he could, to subtract votes from Trump and deliver the victory to the Dem nominee.

The way he is planning this run, he will accomplish absolutely nothing.

Lil' Mike's a vindictive s***.

He loves power, but he's doing this as much to mess with the Dems as win.
 
I don't support fake initiatives that are sold out to corporate america. That's why there is an insurgency into the democratic party right now. Did you miss it?

My issue is this was yet again another good intentions, horrible execution program, which gave MORE tax dollars to the poisoners while claiming to be the antidote. Don't you get it?

Personally, I don’t care who gets what. If there is a program out there that will help teach kids how to eat healthier, I am all for it. I don’t care if it’s sponsored by Kellogg’s or Bob the Farmer.
 
It doesn't matter what you did in school or what school you went to. It does matter what you did with that knowledge after you graduated.

Not according to Turtle, which is who I was having the conversation with.

Alma Maters are important. Even 50 years later.


:lol:
 
I don't know that this is true. Michelle Obama is the most admired woman in the world. Michelle Obama is the world's most admired woman | YouGov

She doesn't have a record of her own, but as 2016 demonstrated, anything is possible. Could she be a unifying force, someone that the fractured Democrats could rally around?

She could have been, and I'm a fan.

But the "whites still running from us" comment did two things:

1) Killed her chances.

2) Signaled that she had no intention of running.

She could be a great unifier, but without her, the Democrats are going to have to do the hard work of rehabilitating their party on their own.

They're doing a bang-up job of everything but that at the moment, hence Trump's re-election assured.
 
Personally, I don’t care who gets what. If there is a program out there that will help teach kids how to eat healthier, I am all for it. I don’t care if it’s sponsored by Kellogg’s or Bob the Farmer.

You don't seem to get it.

Obama is not a change candidate. She would be selling us out to Kellogg's, instead of helping every day farmers. Why the **** would you oppose a subsidy program that benefits local, small farmers, providing healthy, local food to our kids, instead of giving handouts to gigantic billionaires and their massive corporations?

That's a neoliberal position, and that's why we have Trump.
 
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