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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I'm not really OK with it, just as I'm not OK with taking the country to war under fraud or legislative assaults on the US Constitution.

    It's just a fact of life, part of the human condition.

    My and your objections mean precious little in the big picture. I've known that for 50 years or more. Still, I bitch and complain.
    I doubt that we're going to war. If so, the country will most likely fall regardless of who wins. However, a president is not above the law, and bribery is an impeachable offense, as is obstruction of justice.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I am honestly one of those independents so sick of seeing the Dems spend all their time and energy 24/7 attacking the president and yelling gotcha!!! We get it, he's got major flaws, but this so very much reminds me of my 6 year old and 10 year old sons running around screaming "I win, you lose!!!" at each other, then they get mad and both come make up something to tattle about

    They actually shouted victory after the Sondland retraction of his entire testimony or over the Mueller report or "there are very fine people"(period) His presidency has been at the beginning of the end for 3 years now and we are sick of this(period)

    It's hard to think they are a better option when we can't even trust what they tell us he did wrong
    that is a damn good point. that really smacks of their desperation to get rid of him that they try to force feed a victory like that.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I doubt that we're going to war. If so, the country will most likely fall regardless of who wins. However, a president is not above the law, and bribery is an impeachable offense, as is obstruction of justice.
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news Helix, but we HAVE BEEN at war since 2003. Under fraud, by way of the fraudulent AUMF. Wake up and smell the depleted uranium and the cinders of the US Constitution. It probably smells somewhat like the napalm we used in Vietnam.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Anyone who watched the hearings, with the exception of those with incurable cases of TDS, understands that Fox News got it right.

    The polls show clearly that the American people didn't buy into the Schiff farce.
    The polls still show a majority support impeach and remove. The aggregate will be updated tomorrow; however, it's irrelevant.

    Fox news gets nothing right. It's a scumdog propaganda network. It's so biased it's insane.

    There is evidence to show Nunes met Shoken.

    The entire investigation is now tainted by the fact republicans IN CONGRESS spent OUR TAX DOLLARS brown nosing potus and going to Vienna with an indicted criminal for smears against rivals.

    The whole thing is a gigantic mess, and only a fox news puppet would sit here and make the pathetic commentary you're making.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I am honestly one of those independents so sick of seeing the Dems spend all their time and energy 24/7 attacking the president and yelling gotcha!!! We get it, he's got major flaws, but this so very much reminds me of my 6 year old and 10 year old sons running around screaming "I win, you lose!!!" at each other, then they get mad and both come make up something to tattle about

    They actually shouted victory after the Sondland retraction of his entire testimony or over the Mueller report or "there are very fine people"(period) His presidency has been at the beginning of the end for 3 years now and we are sick of this(period)

    It's hard to think they are a better option when we can't even trust what they tell us he did wrong

    Then you will be one of those "independents" (Libertarian gives it away that you lean right, so please, don't even claim you're Independent) who will enable future presidents to endlessly precondition aid on political errands.

    And you will rue the day you support this with your snide, high nosed "Independent" proclamations.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    The polls still show a majority support impeach and remove. The aggregate will be updated tomorrow; however, it's irrelevant.

    Fox news gets nothing right. It's a scumdog propaganda network. It's so biased it's insane.

    There is evidence to show Nunes met Shoken.

    The entire investigation is now tainted by the fact republicans IN CONGRESS spent OUR TAX DOLLARS brown nosing potus and going to Vienna with an indicted criminal for smears against rivals.

    The whole thing is a gigantic mess, and only a fox news puppet would sit here and make the pathetic commentary you're making.
    What was the only network that got the Russia collusion investigation right?

    LMAO.
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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Thoreau72 View Post
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news Helix, but we HAVE BEEN at war since 2003. Under fraud, by way of the fraudulent AUMF. Wake up and smell the depleted uranium and the cinders of the US Constitution. It probably smells somewhat like the napalm we used in Vietnam.
    I meant civil war between Tweetycult and the rest of us if they throw a tantrum.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    What was the only network that got the Russia collusion investigation right?

    LMAO.
    What does that have to do with anything? Fox is peddling a debunked conspiracy about crowdstrike at Trump's behest, and they can't cover impeachment correctly at all.

    As far as "collusion" is concerned, I couldn't care less. I never believed Trump was intelligent enough to collude, because he operates like a mob boss.

    Let's look at his character.

    We know he is vindictive, and has withheld funding to US States if those states do not kow tow to him - California.
    We know he demands loyalty to himself, not to the united states - Bolton, Kelly, Tillerson.
    We know he is not good on messaging unless he has a face to smear - Clinton, Cruz, Bush - Now Biden. Further evidence is his inability to actually defend himself against the WB report, because the WB is faceless, and thus, Trump cannot smear them.
    We know he has a history of stiffing people on payments - dozens of contractors, and more recently, cities that he refuses to pay for holding his rallies.

    Lev Parnas has given congress tapes. Do you think those tapes are exculpatory? Do you think they help the president? Do you think, given his past behaviors, this is the ONE TIME he acts ethically, or without regard to how he has acted for decades?

    We can play Occam's Razor, too, if you'd like. Fox news is a propaganda network. It is state media. Trump is pardoning war criminals on the direction of Fox News. If Fox News started saying we should have single payer, Trump would do it.

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    What does that have to do with anything? Fox is peddling a debunked conspiracy about crowdstrike at Trump's behest, and they can't cover impeachment correctly at all.

    As far as "collusion" is concerned, I couldn't care less. I never believed Trump was intelligent enough to collude, because he operates like a mob boss.

    Let's look at his character.

    We know he is vindictive, and has withheld funding to US States if those states do not kow tow to him - California.
    We know he demands loyalty to himself, not to the united states - Bolton, Kelly, Tillerson.
    We know he is not good on messaging unless he has a face to smear - Clinton, Cruz, Bush - Now Biden. Further evidence is his inability to actually defend himself against the WB report, because the WB is faceless, and thus, Trump cannot smear them.
    We know he has a history of stiffing people on payments - dozens of contractors, and more recently, cities that he refuses to pay for holding his rallies.

    Lev Parnas has given congress tapes. Do you think those tapes are exculpatory? Do you think they help the president? Do you think, given his past behaviors, this is the ONE TIME he acts ethically, or without regard to how he has acted for decades?

    We can play Occam's Razor, too, if you'd like. Fox news is a propaganda network. It is state media. Trump is pardoning war criminals on the direction of Fox News. If Fox News started saying we should have single payer, Trump would do it.
    Here's an example of Fox News reporting the truth, and at exactly the same time, CBS misleading it's viewers with a phony headline:

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    Re: Independents souring on impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I meant civil war between Tweetycult and the rest of us if they throw a tantrum.
    If Trump is thrown out of office I have ZERO faith the Trumpers will not begin a civil war.

    That, in and of itself, is dangerous enough to mean the senate must remove him.

    Can you imagine if Obama did a rambling interview for an hour like Obama did on F&F yesterday? The Repubs would have demanded the 25h be invoked.

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