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Pro-Life Activists Fined for Exposing Planned Parenthood's Sale of Fetal Body Parts. Shameful!!

Mashmont said:
Read the article. Then email the author for the location. I'm not your, uh, slave.
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You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. That's your responsibility. Without evidence to support what you say, your claim is unfounded and thus dismissed. You can't back-up your own words. They're not my words to prove. They're yours.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I was speaking in social services in general, not what paid for providers can require. In don't even remember what triggered me to say that. You listed nine decisions besides Roe vs. Wade.

My point is that if someone is going to ask for assistance, in return for that assistance, privacy can goes out the window. Its a simple "this information is required to determine eligibility."

Privacy laws don't apply everywhere. Privacy laws and rulings wouldn't have to be disassembled to overturn Row vs. Wade. The difference would be when you consider a fetus, human life, and base it on execution of the innocent. At this point, to have an abortion, proof of harm to carry the baby to birth would have to be shown.

People who support late term abortions and are practitioners of them are as offensive to me as murderers.
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Pro choice allows the pregnant women to follow her religious tenets or her conscience.

There are only 1.3 abortions that take place after 21 weeks. About 80 of abortions between 21 w



As of 2013 there are only 4 clinic doctors in the United States who perform abortions past 20 weeks.

From Romper :

In 2013, there were four doctors in the country who performed abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, according to Slate. (Current numbers could be even lower.)
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Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus.
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Mashmont said:
The Catholic Church disagreed. Read Pope Paul's 1968 encyclical on Human Life.
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From the Religious Coaliation for Reproductive Choice (RCRC ) which is made up of over 30 regions and religions groups.
RCRC is unique in the reproductive health, rights and justice movements, because it draws on the moral power of diverse religious communities.

RCRC has proud roots in the Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion, the underground network of religious leaders created before Roe v. Wade. These brave people of conscience took risks to ensure that women could have the spiritual counseling they needed, and, if they chose, referral to a safe abortion provider.

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Good policy allows people of all religions to follow their own faiths and consciences in their own lives. In reproductive health, rights and justice, we define religious liberty as the right of a woman to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family and her faith. The religious beliefs of others should not interfere.
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minnie616 said:
Pro choice allows the pregnant women to follow her religious tenets or her conscience.
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I understand the concept. You think its OK to kill an unwanted developing life and you rationalize it. Myself, I think its horrid.

Probably 90%+ abortions are being used as birth control. Not very many for valid medical reason, or rape.

That is horrid. To say it's OK to have sex because abortions are available. Nobody should have sex until they are ready to bring life into this world, unless they are infertile. No birth control is 100%.

My God.

Responsibility first please. Be willing to pay the piper if the unplanned happens. Else, I deem you irresponsible.
 
bluesmoke said:
You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. That's your responsibility. Without evidence to support what you say, your claim is unfounded and thus dismissed. You can't back-up your own words. They're not my words to prove. They're yours.
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Haven't you heard about my policy? I don't go chasing my tail finding links for those who don't really want evidence. If they want evidence, they can find it themselves. Thanks.
 
minnie616 said:
Pro choice allows the pregnant women to follow her religious tenets or her conscience.

There are only 1.3 abortions that take place after 21 weeks. About 80 of abortions between 21 w



As of 2013 there are only 4 clinic doctors in the United States who perform abortions past 20 weeks.

From Romper :
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So why aren't you 'pro-choice' when it comes to rape? Why isn't it the man's right to have that choice if he wants? Same as those who want abortions.
 
Mashmont said:
Pro-life activist fined over undercover Planned Parenthood videos: '''It'''s really an attack on the First Amendment''' | Fox News
Jury Rules Against David Daleiden In Federal Planned Parenthood Case

Citizen journalist and pro-life activist David Daleiden said Friday he will fight back against a federal court verdict that left him that saddled him and his associates with a multi-million dollar fine for secretly recording conversations with Planned Parenthood staff.

“It’s really an attack on the First Amendment civil rights of all Americans to conduct and to receive information from undercover reporting,” Daleiden told “The Story” on Friday.

A San Francisco jury last week found that Daleiden and his group, the Center for Medical Progress, caused substantial harm to Planned Parenthood by taping conversations with doctors and staff in a bid to prove the organization was harvesting and selling fetal body parts. The jury also found Daleiden had trespassed on private properties and committed other crimes in recording the 2015 videos.

The jury awarded Planned Parenthood punitive damages of $870,000 and compensatory damages of nearly $478,000, which were tripled under the federal Racketeer and Corrupt Organizations Act for a final verdict of nearly $2.3 million.

During the six-week trial, U.S. District Judge William Orrick III ruled the jury could not consider any information Daleiden had discovered as a result of his video project. Orrick also continually cut off questioning that put Planned Parenthood's activities in a bad light.


People, this is why it is SO important for President Trump to win re-election, so he can stop these radical Marxist corrupt judges and their kangaroo courts.
Judge William Orrick III who presided over this proceeding is an extremist Marxist activist installed by 0bama. Orrick himself, prior to become a judge, founded a Planned Parenthood location in San Francisco. This is why Planned Parenthood launched this civil suit in off-the-charts extremist San Francisco under Orrick's jursidiction.

Planned Parenthood was caught RED-HANDED admitting they sold fetal body parts. They never denied doing so during the three-week case. This corrupt organization should be shut down. And this ruling can and will be appealed. It is SO important Trump be able to replace extremists like Orrick with rational law-abiding Constitutionalist judges.
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Democrat legal assessment: Selling baby body parts can be a crime if done improperly but tricking someone into admitting on camera that they do it all the time is a felony.
 
Re: Anti-abortion activists fined for trespass, recording without permission, etc.

Originally Posted by southwest88
Is there a link or any supporting documentation for the first claim - that fetal tissue is used in women's makeup?

It wasn't merely Germans who were making lampshades in WWII - it was the Nazis. & they were very far gone.

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marke said:
Aborted fetus cells used in beauty creams - Washington Times

Right. Similarly, it is not merely Americans who are slaughtering their young - it is the democrats.
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Yah. It's not aborted fetal cells directly. But I notice Neocutis, Inc. is standing tough after a boycott that was still running in 2018.

& abortion doesn't slaughter young - it's fetuses pre-viability that are aborted, if it's an elective abortion. & the stats for political identification of who gets an abortion - well, you can look yourself. See The sharpest drops in abortion rates in America have been under Democratic presidents — Quartz
 
Anti-aborts gone awry

marke said:
Democrat legal assessment: Selling baby body parts can be a crime if done improperly but tricking someone into admitting on camera that they do it all the time is a felony.
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No, Selling baby - or even fetal - body parts is a crime & a federal one @ that - & possibly a state crime, it depends on the state where the crime was committed. All you need is an arrest & witnesses, &/or evidence. It's been since 1973, & the anti-abortionists haven't been able to come up with a single case that withstood legal scrutiny? What are they, The gang that can't shoot straight?

No, the felony was trespass, recording people without their knowledge or permission, & I believe there were charges of false ID as well (or possibly impersonating company officials). Tricking someone under false pretenses is not standard legal procedure. & if you're going to play undercover cop & run a sting operation, you'd better have the legal training, authorization, & all the paperwork in order - probable cause, maybe a warrant? & backup on call, waiting for the go signal. This isn't a question of watching L. A. Law or some other Scheiss TV teleplay that purports to be about the functioning of the law - you need actual legal advice from real lawyers before you go haring off, presenting false ID, pretending to be an officer of a corporation, & confronting people @ their place of work.
 
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Mashmont said:
Yes, the ability to massacre little babies and sell their body parts for money MUST remain intact.

Do you people ever listen to yourselves?
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Actually.. we listen to you. Which is why they agree with the courts decision.
 
Mashmont said:
Pro-life activist fined over undercover Planned Parenthood videos: '''It'''s really an attack on the First Amendment''' | Fox News
Jury Rules Against David Daleiden In Federal Planned Parenthood Case

Citizen journalist and pro-life activist David Daleiden said Friday he will fight back against a federal court verdict that left him that saddled him and his associates with a multi-million dollar fine for secretly recording conversations with Planned Parenthood staff.

“It’s really an attack on the First Amendment civil rights of all Americans to conduct and to receive information from undercover reporting,” Daleiden told “The Story” on Friday.

A San Francisco jury last week found that Daleiden and his group, the Center for Medical Progress, caused substantial harm to Planned Parenthood by taping conversations with doctors and staff in a bid to prove the organization was harvesting and selling fetal body parts. The jury also found Daleiden had trespassed on private properties and committed other crimes in recording the 2015 videos.

The jury awarded Planned Parenthood punitive damages of $870,000 and compensatory damages of nearly $478,000, which were tripled under the federal Racketeer and Corrupt Organizations Act for a final verdict of nearly $2.3 million.

During the six-week trial, U.S. District Judge William Orrick III ruled the jury could not consider any information Daleiden had discovered as a result of his video project. Orrick also continually cut off questioning that put Planned Parenthood's activities in a bad light.


People, this is why it is SO important for President Trump to win re-election, so he can stop these radical Marxist corrupt judges and their kangaroo courts.
Judge William Orrick III who presided over this proceeding is an extremist Marxist activist installed by 0bama. Orrick himself, prior to become a judge, founded a Planned Parenthood location in San Francisco. This is why Planned Parenthood launched this civil suit in off-the-charts extremist San Francisco under Orrick's jursidiction.

Planned Parenthood was caught RED-HANDED admitting they sold fetal body parts. They never denied doing so during the three-week case. This corrupt organization should be shut down. And this ruling can and will be appealed. It is SO important Trump be able to replace extremists like Orrick with rational law-abiding Constitutionalist judges.
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Yeh! Except one itty bitty omission of the truth!

The Video was heavily edited to portray Planned parenthood as organ sellers!

tisk tisk tisk! Not very Christian of you !

Diving Mullah
 
Diving Mullah said:
Yeh! Except one itty bitty omission of the truth!

The Video was heavily edited to portray Planned parenthood as organ sellers!

tisk tisk tisk! Not very Christian of you !

Diving Mullah
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PP always screeches 'edited videos', but the portrayal is 100% accurate just the same. The only editing is for time and bathroom breaks, but Project Veritas shows the entire uncut videos on their website
 
Lord of Planar said:
I understand the concept. You think its OK to kill an unwanted developing life and you rationalize it. Myself, I think its horrid.

Probably 90%+ abortions are being used as birth control. Not very many for valid medical reason, or rape.

That is horrid. To say it's OK to have sex because abortions are available. Nobody should have sex until they are ready to bring life into this world, unless they are infertile. No birth control is 100%.

My God.

Responsibility first please. Be willing to pay the piper if the unplanned happens. Else, I deem you irresponsible.
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As a woman who risked her life during pregnancy complications ( my choice ) during my first pregnancy I leave the decision up to the pregnant woman whether she wishes to continue her pregnancy or have an early abortion. I have no choice in another woman’s decision. That is between her, her doctor and her husband, clergy or whomever else she wishes to bring into her decision.



I disagreeabout what is being responsible or irresponsible. When a woman or couple is using birth control consistently they are being responsible and they are saying no to an unplanned pregnancy.

Women in the United States are being responsible. Two thirds are using tubal ligation procedures or birth control meds or devices consistently.


From a 2018 article:
The report found that the most common contraceptive methods women use are female sterilization at 18.6 percent and the pill at 12.6 percent followed by long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs), which includes implants and intrauterine devices (IUDs), at 10.3 percent,
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Oh, and as for 35.1 percent of women who aren’t using contraception They’re not all just having unsafe sex. About half of them (17 percent of the respondents) hadn’t had sex in the past three months while the rest were either pregnant, postpartum or trying to conceive (7.5 percent), or, indeed, sexually active but not using protection (7.9 percent).
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Almost Two-Thirds of Women in the U.S. Use Some Form of Birth Control | Self
 
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Mashmont said:
So why aren't you 'pro-choice' when it comes to rape? Why isn't it the man's right to have that choice if he wants? Same as those who want abortions.
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Pro choice and pro life are terms referring to abortion not referring to rape.

“When you say you're pro-choice you're telling people that you believe it's OK for them to have the ability to choose abortion as an option for an unplanned pregnancy — even if you wouldn't choose abortion for yourself. People who oppose abortion often call themselves pro-life.”
 
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Mashmont said:
Planned Parenthood was caught RED-HANDED admitting they sold fetal body parts. They never denied doing so during the three-week case. This corrupt organization should be shut down. And this ruling can and will be appealed. It is SO important Trump be able to replace extremists like Orrick with rational law-abiding Constitutionalist judges.
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U.S. Fifth Circuit of Appeals use of the videos: http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/17/17-50282-CV0.pdf


In any event, there is no question that the OIG here made factual findings after viewing the videos and related evidence. On the basis of the administrative record—not the post hoc justifications offered by plaintiffs’ witnesses in the district court—the OIG determined that video discussions “centered on clinic processes and tissue packaging rather than the abortion procedure itself; the video featured repeated discussion about the position of the fetus in the uterus, the risk to the patient, and the patient’s pain tolerance.” The OIG further concluded, based on the videos, that the Provider Plaintiffs at a minimum violated federal standards regarding fetal tissue research and standards of medical ethics by allowing doctors to alter abortion procedures to retrieve tissue for research purposes or allowing the researchers themselves to perform the procedures. The plaintiffs’ briefing with regard to the substance of the discussions contained in the videos (as opposed to their trial witnesses’ post hoc justifications) is curiously silent. See bottom of page 27/top of page 28.
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You didnt understand anything about this, did you, you are so blinded by dogmatic bias?

The real focus of the charges is in blue bold.

It seems that in order to do something positive: retrieve human tissue for research purposes, some facilities altered the medical procedures to save the women pain and to get better quality samples...in other words, not waste the donation, but make the most of it.

I agree that the Drs should not break the rules/laws. I also believe from what I read that the laws/guidelines should probably be updated to cover these procedures so that they can do the work properly and safely.

From what I read, they didnt do anything harmful or morally wrong, but it is unethical...and possibly illegal to perform the tissue harvesting the way they did.

It should be noted:

--women are not coerced into abortions so tissue can be harvested

--abortions are not initiated simply to retrieve tissue

--the tissue is medical waste that would otherwise be thrown away

--the tissue is going to serve a positive purpose--medical research
 
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Lursa said:
You didnt understand anything about this, did you, you are so blinded by dogmatic bias?

The real focus of the charges is in blue bold.

It seems that in order to do something positive: retrieve human tissue for research purposes, some facilities altered the medical procedures to save the women pain and to get better quality samples...in other words, not waste the donation, but make the most of it.

I agree that the Drs should not break the rules/laws. I also believe from what I read that the laws/guidelines should probably be updated to cover these procedures so that they can do the work properly and safely.

From what I read, they didnt do anything harmful or morally wrong, but it is unethical...and possibly illegal to perform the tissue harvesting the way they did.

It should be noted:

--women are not coerced into abortions so tissue can be harvested

--abortions are not initiated simply to retrieve tissue

--the tissue is medical waste that would otherwise be thrown away

--the tissue is going to serve a positive purpose--medical research
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"Donations", my ass. They paid cold hard cash for those baby parts.
 
Anti-abortio activists fined for trespass, secret recording, false ID

Mashmont said:
"Donations", my ass. They paid cold hard cash for those baby parts.
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Planned Parenthood paid? Now you have the whole transaction confused. Only a handful of PP locations collected fetal tissue, & their sale is a federal (& sometimes state) crime. PP & other agencies could @ most collect costs of collecting, preparing & shipping tissue. As a result of the furor over these tapes, PP no longer accepts any monies for fetal tissues - & that was years ago, in Oct. 2015.
 
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southwest88 said:
Planned Parenthood paid? Now you have the whole transaction confused. Only a handful of PP locations collected fetal tissue, & their sale is a federal (& sometimes state) crime. PP & other agencies could @ most collect costs of collecting, preparing & shipping tissue. As a result of the furor over these tapes, PP no longer accepts any monies for fetal tissues - & that was years ago, in Oct. 2015.
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So you admit they got paid when that tape was made....which was my claim. Thanks.
 
Lursa said:
You didnt understand anything about this, did you, you are so blinded by dogmatic bias?

The real focus of the charges is in blue bold.

It seems that in order to do something positive: retrieve human tissue for research purposes, some facilities altered the medical procedures to save the women pain and to get better quality samples...in other words, not waste the donation, but make the most of it.

I agree that the Drs should not break the rules/laws. I also believe from what I read that the laws/guidelines should probably be updated to cover these procedures so that they can do the work properly and safely.

From what I read, they didnt do anything harmful or morally wrong, but it is unethical...and possibly illegal to perform the tissue harvesting the way they did.

It should be noted:

--women are not coerced into abortions so tissue can be harvested

--abortions are not initiated simply to retrieve tissue

--the tissue is medical waste that would otherwise be thrown away

--the tissue is going to serve a positive purpose--medical research
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You don't think selling baby body parts for money is immoral? That's as sick as it gets, girl.
 
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Originally Posted by southwest88
Planned Parenthood paid? Now you have the whole transaction confused. Only a handful of PP locations collected fetal tissue, & their sale is a federal (& sometimes state) crime. PP & other agencies could @ most collect costs of collecting, preparing & shipping tissue. As a result of the furor over these tapes, PP no longer accepts any monies for fetal tissues - & that was years ago, in Oct. 2015.

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Mashmont said:
So you admit they got paid when that tape was made....which was my claim. Thanks.
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No, trafficking fetal tissue is a crime, has been for some time now. Some affiliates of PP used to pass on donated fetal tissue to third parties for research purposes - but PP (nor others) couldn't sell the tissue. The only money anyone could charge was for expenses of collecting, etc. the tissue - which issue was examined by Congress, various state attorney generals - none of which found that PP had violated the laws on selling fetal tissue.
 
Mashmont said:
You don't think selling baby body parts for money is immoral? That's as sick as it gets, girl.
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That's not what happened...your lack of comprehension is mindboggling but no longer surprising.

Money is paid to harvest, prepare, and ship *tissue and cells* not body parts. Are people supposed to work for free? And that tissue is going to medical research to help people everywhere...do you have a problem with that? Parents are allowed to donate their dead children's tissue and organs to save others/for research, how is this any different?
 
Mashmont said:
Haven't you heard about my policy? I don't go chasing my tail finding links for those who don't really want evidence. If they want evidence, they can find it themselves. Thanks.
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The mushy Mashmont policy of having no responsibility for your own words. You just throw out claims with no evidence to support what you say. I think you're lying. The proof is that you've failed to prove your claim, but persist that it is true. So, there is more evidence that you are lying than there is that your claim is true.

I've exposed your falsehoods before. You've accused me of lying, but you couldn't quote the lie. Whereas, I've cited your own prevarication. Like I'm doing right now. If you can't prove such an allegation as you make, it's a falsehood. If you persist in pushing a falsehood, it's a lie.
 
Mashmont said:
PP always screeches 'edited videos', but the portrayal is 100% accurate just the same. The only editing is for time and bathroom breaks, but Project Veritas shows the entire uncut videos on their website
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nope sorry, court ruling was clear...the video was edited. No matter how much you wished it to be real.



Diving Mullah
 
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