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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I hear ya...I don't like it, either. Unfortunately, I think business is what our country was founded on...that and beer.
    more than beer
    Aiding the framers through the birth of modern democracy was an astronomical amount of booze.

    We shouldn’t be surprised by this. Your average colonist guzzled about seven gallons of alcohol per year. That’s a lot. In comparison, a contemporary American downs just over two gallons each year. Back then, by lunchtime, most people were two or three beers into their day, and by bedtime — after more beer, an extravagant portion of hard cider, wine and Madeira, and probably a few healthy tipples of rum — the totality of America must’ve been pretty slurry.

    Some attribute the high rate of boozing back in the day to the scarcity of potable water.
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    How do we know the founding fathers as a group drank a lot? Well, for one thing, we have records of their imbibing. In 1787, two days before they signed off on the Constitution, the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention partied at a tavern. According to the bill preserved from the evening, they drank 54 bottles of Madeira, 60 bottles of claret, eight of whiskey, 22 of porter, eight of hard cider, 12 of beer and seven bowls of alcoholic punch.

    That's more than two bottles of fruit of the vine, plus a few shots and a lot of punch and beer, for every delegate.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenBasehead View Post
    There are about 330 million Americans. According to the ratings, nearly 320 million of them aren’t watching the House impeachment proceedings against President Trump.
    Despite television networks’ fervent belief that the country should be paying attention, with wall-to-wall coverage on all the cable news stations and most of the broadcast networks, the early days of hearings have drawn paltry ratings, as viewers vote with their eyes.

    “It’s on constantly but I’m not paying any attention to it,” said Emily Brown, a waitress at Mandy’s, a popular breakfast and lunch spot near New Orleans.

    “I’m not really watching it during the day. I’ll look online at night just to see what happened,” said 47-year-old Jeremy, an Omaha dog groomer, as he played with an excited boxer.

    Perhaps most striking has been Mr. Trump’s approval rating which stands at 44% in the Real Clear Politics average of national polls. That’s virtually unchanged, with only a point or two of variation, since his State of the Union address in February — a remarkably consistent record.

    Impeachment hearings draw low ratings as most Americans tune out - Washington Times

    I stopped paying attention to the Ukraine BS a while ago and it seems like most Americans have too. Despite all the propaganda being pushed by the left , through news, late night shows and social media not many people seem to care. Has the oversaturation of Drumpf based news caused people to become immune to the ""scandals"" or have people started to realize that mainstream news is "fake and gay"?
    Everybody doesn't need to listen.

    But the Republicans are playing a dangerous game.

    They have decided to stick with the narratives that they have established with his base.

    But they are based on their certainty that their target audiences won't check their math. And while trumps followers are eating it up and doing little victory dances over 1 minute soundbites, this may not play well with independents who do watch the hearings or get their news from varied sources.

    Because what's making it on to fox is not even close to an accurate portrayal of the hearings and what the witnesses actually said. What one sees there is nonstop hammering away at the established narrative.

    And that narrative is empty, vapid, insulting. And involves uniform derision of people they evidently can't come up with any useful opposition research on. Career civil servants, repeated veterans. Who put their careers on the line by coming forward when the president instructed them not to do so.

    So what they are doing is insulting the intelligence of an unknown number of independents, who heard completely different hearings from those presented in conservative media. Who watched these people tell their stories. Who then watched the president and the Republicans and conservative media launch a barrage of slander against them.

    A certain number of these people will what they call "influencers". Of the more traditional type. The people others look to for advice and insight. Which they do because they trust them. Know them.

    If they piss these influencers off with this hateful nonsense, I suspect things will go very badly for all involved.

    If they decide to come to their own conclusions based on what they hear from these witnesses, including the ones the republicans themselves wanted, I don't think Solomon's articles are going to do anything but piss them off further.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Condor060 View Post
    Cable Ratings: October 7 – 13, 2019 | Nickandmore!

    In the very same time frame Nickelodeon and Cartoon channel had over 3 million viewers each.
    All under the age of six.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by grainbelt View Post
    It should be considered at least a civilians civic duty to know what's going on and follow it a little bit. One problem here is that it's just too much content for most people to watch, and so they may turn to abridged highlights...which leads to the other problem. News orgs are carefully curating what they include in the highlights, with a lot of help by grandstanding committee members and witnesses. Theres a lot of nuance missed when you just get a curated to your bias portion. If all you watched was Republican questioning you'd think the whole thing was off the rails and Biden should be in prison or something.

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    They are just generating content for fox, as opposed to actually participating.

    Using the hearings to manufacture narratives with sound bites and visual aids "gotcha" questions that more often than not fall flat or end with being "gotten" (but those will never make it onto fox.).

    Its high power propanda in near real-time. It's worth taking a look. If you can watch a hearing. Then watch how fox reports on it. It's like they were at a different hearing. It's jarring. It's only possible because they have conditioned their subjects to reject any other media outright.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Your response was in answer to my question:

    "When the left and Hillary partnered with him (Putin), what was the objective?"

    Perhaps you should take your own advice.....
    Your question was both ridiculous and inane. I simply corrected your delusion.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hillary partnered with Putin to elect President Trump?

    I think you're going to have a hard time selling that.
    All he has to do is say it on breitbart (and then have an "independent" story on Fox) and it will become gospel to about a third of the voting population.

    But you know that.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    more than beer

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    I knew they drank a lot but gee whiz...it's wonder they how could even sign their name. lol

    I think it was Samuel Adams that was the instigator for the revolution because the British had put a tax his brewery's beer and wouldn't let him export his beer to Europe. So he started organizing to fight against the taxation without representation...and the rest is history.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Another brick in the wall proving that Putin has won.
    It's another brick in the house, that Putin built inside your head and he's living there rent free...

    Quote Originally Posted by Excast View Post
    I don't think it is especially shocking that in an era of unprecedented ways to entertain oneself, gigantic numbers aren't showing up to watch marathon impeachment hearings on television during the middle of the average workday. Still, that only seems to account for people who watched live on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc. Many, like myself, followed via live streams on their computers or checked out highlights when they got out of work. TV ratings simply aren't a great way to judge how engaged people are.
    You bring up a good point but I would like to add, the only time I hear any impeachment stuff is if it comes on because of YouTube autoplay. When I realize what's playing I turn it off right away. The only reason I bring this up is because i'm sure it happens to a lot of people and it would inflate the views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, I would hope that Americans would be invested in the Republic enough to want to stay informed about this.
    Our government has let down most of it's constituents for decades and the people feel disenfranchised, which leads people to become apathetic toward problems facing the nation( Now I don't think this is a real problem, i'm just trying to imagine how normies feel). Trump has let down a lot of people that voted for him, so a lot of them are just tuning all of it out. I don't think this is going end the Drumpf presidency but if it did I wouldn't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's the inquiry, it's not the trial.
    I know, but even if the Democrats followed through with the actual impeachment I doubt the public's interest would change much.

    People simply get their news through filtered sources.
    Some of the people I listen to for political commentary aren't even talking about it and i'm not listing to the people that are(just their content on the hearings).
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    If even 10 mil are tuned in to the tv antics, that is huge ratings compared to most shows and doesn't include the many millions who are at work and willing to check out the results online when they get home and such - tv ratings are a horrible way to measure interest on this one


    All that being said, it's just a circus that doesn't actually matter anyway(period) The only possible gain for the dems is to try and convince a few moderates to vote against Trump since he will never stand down and there will never be 67 votes to oust him from the senate(period) Anyone that was going to vote for Trump a month ago will never be swayed by this and anyone voting against him is too busy wishing there were a serious candidate on the left

    The timing, choice of things to prosecute and a half dozen other indicators clearly show this was a show and not serious movement

    Unfortunately, it comes across as a desperate attempt, driven by Trump hate and will most likely damage the left more than it helps and the seriousness of the accusations is lost in that show
    Like a lot of other people, I also think this is being done to sway opinion before the 2020 elections and if Drumpf is actually impeached, it will give the dems ammo to attack the Senate for not voting him out. It's like we're watching bad movie with a dumb plot and it's full of cheesy clichés. You pretty know what's going to happen.

    All i wanted was a candidate that I could actually hold my nose and vote for and this stuff just makes me less convinced that we will see anything change this or next election(period)
    It looks like it's only going to get worse from here.

    While I doubt most people are as disappointed as I am, I imagine the lack of excitement on the proceedings reflects many are somewhere along that reasoning
    I would say disappointment in the establishment in general is causing the low ratings.

    Quote Originally Posted by grainbelt View Post
    It should be considered at least a civilians civic duty to know what's going on and follow it a little bit. One problem here is that it's just too much content for most people to watch, and so they may turn to abridged highlights...which leads to the other problem. News orgs are carefully curating what they include in the highlights, with a lot of help by grandstanding committee members and witnesses. Theres a lot of nuance missed when you just get a curated to your bias portion. If all you watched was Republican questioning you'd think the whole thing was off the rails and Biden should be in prison or something.

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    Even if people were to watch the entire hearing, partisanship would cause them to take away what they want for the hearings. The main stream news(both sides) is literally giving it's audience what they want to hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I mean, Biden might deserve to be in prison. But that doesn't mean he's the only one, lol.

    But yes, I think if we were to take this Republic and Constitution seriously, we'd drop all pretense of partisan shenanigans and pay attention. Unfortunately there are many who would sell out the Republic for their Party's Power.
    At this point, I don't even care if anyone is guilty of anything. Lets just throw all the elected government in jail for being crappy at their jobs.
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    Re: Ratings fall flat as most Americans tune out impeachment spectacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenBasehead View Post
    It's another brick in the house, that Putin built inside your head and he's living there rent free...


    Sadly it is Putin who apparently owns Trump lock stock and barrel and treats him as his lap dog. And Trump is more than happy to assume that position.
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