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Your impeachment predictions

some Republican Senators won't take the time to read the testimony.

then they will vote not guilty.
 
fair enough.....but hypothetically speaking.....if worst case scenario happens to Dems....lots of corruption is exposed....if you're Pelosi do you want to be locked into a Senate Trial controlled by GOP?
One has nothing to do with the other.

When it was found that Clinton lied in the Jones matter, it was irrelevant to the proceedings that the lawsuit was found meritless by the jury.

If this agent committed a crime, that doesn't give Trump the right to commit a totally unrelated one.
 
read my signature.....the investigators are getting ready to report and Pelosi is contemplating impeachment vote....IF you're Pelosi you wanna be in trial in GOP controlled Senate when these reports drop?

I look forward to it but Nancy can't be that crazy..can she?
Still pushing that nothing burger, out of context comment by anonymous DOJ employees, huh? Sad. :2no4:

In it's proper context:
It's unusual to the point that it looks to be political and it's a bad thing for DOJ to appear to be doing something for political reasons," Brower said, adding that it appears that "for political purposes, the White House wants to be able to say through the election cycle that all of this is being investigated."

Justice Department officials have said that Durham has found something significant, and that critics should be careful.

Skeptics who have been trying to track Durham's movements say he has yet to interview key figures, including former deputy FBI director Andrew McCabe, former FBI agent Peter Stzrok and former FBI general counsel James Baker.
 
One has nothing to do with the other.

When it was found that Clinton lied in the Jones matter, it was irrelevant to the proceedings that the lawsuit was found meritless by the jury.

If this agent committed a crime, that doesn't give Trump the right to commit a totally unrelated one.

again what if.....Brennan is found to be the connecting rod between RussiaGate and UkraineGate? Brennan has connection to CIA leaker
 
again what if.....Brennan is found to be the connecting rod between RussiaGate and UkraineGate? Brennan has connection to CIA leaker
Brennan never was interviewed by Horowitz because he never worked at the DOJ.

I have a feeling this might be about Bruce Ohr.
 
Brennan never was interviewed by Horowitz because he never worked at the DOJ.

I have a feeling this might be about Bruce Ohr.

i jumped to bigger picture Durham Report with Brennan connection worst case scenario.
 
I don't see anybody crossing party lines in the House. Even members like Hurd are clearly with the GOP, so they can have those juicy private sector jobs after retirement.

The Senate might be different. Manchin might vote to acquit, while Murkowski or one of the blue/purple state Republican might vote to convict. Romney is full of hotair. He's just trying to look moral and mighty before he ultimately falls in line with the party.

I agree on Murkowski and Manchin. Don't forget Jones, Alabama who is up for reelection. Trump has a 60% approval rating in Alabama. A vote to convict and remove by Jones in my opinion would doom what chances he has for reelection. Now the opposite might be true for Collins, Maine. Maybe Gardner Colorado and Ernst Iowa. Trump is currently at 42/55 approval/disapproval in Maine, 40/58 Colorado, 42/54 Iowa. All three are light blue states. Maine has gone Democratic in each of the last seven presidential elections, Colorado, three straight times and Iowa five of the last seven.

Now I'm sure that all three of those, Gardner, Collins and Ernst know they'll probably be primaried out if they vote AYE to convict. A NAY vote most likely dooms their chances in the general election.
 
That's bold. Do you really think there will be some in the House GOP who will vote to impeach? I can't think of a single person. Will Hurd is not going to so I can't think of another who might.

The only Republicans I see voting for conviction are Romney and Murkowski, but I think that neither will.

The house, I can't give names. Usually there are always a couple, three, four who don't follow the party line. I think Democrats Jones and Manchin could very well vote to acquit. Jones, Alabama is up for reelection in a state where Trump has a 60% approval rating. Manchin, not up, but 61% of West Virginians approve of Trump.

Republicans other than Murkowski who doesn't like Trump, you have Gardner, Colorado, Collins, Maine and Ernst, Iowa who are up for reelection in light blue states where Trump's approval is at or near 40%. Those three are between and rock and a hard place. To have a decent chance at winning in the general, they probably have to vote AYE to convict and remove. But that means all three would probably be primaried out by Trump supporters. If they vote NAY, vote to acquit Trump, they're all probably dead meat in the general election.

Romney, I never considered him. Perhaps I should. Regardless, there you have your 4-5 GOP senators who could vote to convict. What everyone ignores is you very well could have two Democrats voting to acquit. If Jones and Manchin do, they will be voting in accords to their constituents wishes. That also gets lost in the shuffle. How the people in all these different states view Trump and whether or not they want him removed or to stay.
 
The house, I can't give names. Usually there are always a couple, three, four who don't follow the party line. I think Democrats Jones and Manchin could very well vote to acquit. Jones, Alabama is up for reelection in a state where Trump has a 60% approval rating. Manchin, not up, but 61% of West Virginians approve of Trump.

Republicans other than Murkowski who doesn't like Trump, you have Gardner, Colorado, Collins, Maine and Ernst, Iowa who are up for reelection in light blue states where Trump's approval is at or near 40%. Those three are between and rock and a hard place. To have a decent chance at winning in the general, they probably have to vote AYE to convict and remove. But that means all three would probably be primaried out by Trump supporters. If they vote NAY, vote to acquit Trump, they're all probably dead meat in the general election.

Romney, I never considered him. Perhaps I should. Regardless, there you have your 4-5 GOP senators who could vote to convict. What everyone ignores is you very well could have two Democrats voting to acquit. If Jones and Manchin do, they will be voting in accords to their constituents wishes. That also gets lost in the shuffle. How the people in all these different states view Trump and whether or not they want him removed or to stay.

I don't believe the 3 from the Senate you mentioned will vote to convict. I'm a strong "no" on Gardner, and hesitant "no" from Collins and Ernst. All three see the writing on the wall, but they appear to be ready to go down with the ship regardless. I see them as people who need a good reason to retire.

What people don't discuss is how toxic DC has become. There is no room for middle-grounders anymore. We in the public want some middle but it seems both parties are dead set on reaching out to the fringes. Look at where Lindsey has gone in just a couple of years.

2020 should have been a slam dunk for the Dems. We should not need this impeachment, but Trump kept providing reasons to do this.

Here we are.
 
Well, it appears that the House is done with testimonies unless someone else decides to come forward. I've watched a bit of some of the testimonies, and caught highlights of others, and the case is very strong imo as to what Trump and his lackeys tried to do. It is obvious to all who don't want to defend him for everything he does that he leaned on the freshman president of a desperate country to make announcements about investigating the Bidens and Crowdstrike. There is zero indication that Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine or anywhere else, he simply wanted political dirt to muddy up Joe Biden.

That said, I don't think he'll actually be impeached. Obviously none of the Repubs will vote for impeachment, but I foresee a good handful of moderate Dems in swing districts alos not voting for impeachment. Enough to prevent him from being impeached.

That said, if somehow there is enough to impeach him, it's a foregone conclusion he will not be convicted. I feel pretty strongly that at least 2 Democrats will also not vote to convict: Doug Jones and Joe Manchin. And I can also see Kyrsten Sinema voting against conviction as well.

So what are your predictions?

So far all of it has been hearsyay opinions and unbacked claims, the only thing that stood out was the claims of emails, which I have not seen yet, however I think it was sondland with the emails claim, so if he had them that would be actual evidence, no idea if he presented them, as the media made the claim then stopped talking about it instead focusing on testimony only.
 
Won't that happen in November 2020?

Well according to some polls, 70% of Americans feel that what Trump did was unethical. I believe the true result of Impeachment Articles will be known in a years time.
 
In my opinion I do not think the house will impeach, evidence is currently too weak and political backlash too high plus knowing it will never pass through the senate as a conviction, so I feel this will be a horse and pony show that will not move further than that unless they can get something that republicans as well back as impeachable.
 
Do you think the demonrats will then actually try to work with Trump on the issues or keep burying their head in the sand hoping to win in 2024?

Probably not. Actually, a lot depends on how many seats they lose in California. There are a lot of unhappy Californians over homelessness, crime, drugs, PG&E, power turned off, taxes, and a governor who is out of his league. He got there on looks and connections and money from the Getty family, but administratively, he’s vapor locking. The R’s wont swing the state, but it will create nationwide issues out of local ones because there is no much video subject matter.
 
Well, it appears that the House is done with testimonies unless someone else decides to come forward. I've watched a bit of some of the testimonies, and caught highlights of others, and the case is very strong imo as to what Trump and his lackeys tried to do. It is obvious to all who don't want to defend him for everything he does that he leaned on the freshman president of a desperate country to make announcements about investigating the Bidens and Crowdstrike. There is zero indication that Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine or anywhere else, he simply wanted political dirt to muddy up Joe Biden.

That said, I don't think he'll actually be impeached. Obviously none of the Repubs will vote for impeachment, but I foresee a good handful of moderate Dems in swing districts alos not voting for impeachment. Enough to prevent him from being impeached.

That said, if somehow there is enough to impeach him, it's a foregone conclusion he will not be convicted. I feel pretty strongly that at least 2 Democrats will also not vote to convict: Doug Jones and Joe Manchin. And I can also see Kyrsten Sinema voting against conviction as well.

So what are your predictions?

The Senate will make the trial all about Biden, Burisma, Crowdstrike and the Steele Dossier. All of the evidence and testimony amassed in the House will be buried by the Republican Senate majority. Then every Republican will vote to acquit. Trump, newly emboldened, will cheat in the upcoming 2020 election in ways you and I can only imagine at. He will use every power of the United States, domestically and foreign, to make sure he wins. By November, the main Democratic candidate will be under investigation by the DOJ as well as several foreign governments.
 
I don't believe the 3 from the Senate you mentioned will vote to convict. I'm a strong "no" on Gardner, and hesitant "no" from Collins and Ernst. All three see the writing on the wall, but they appear to be ready to go down with the ship regardless. I see them as people who need a good reason to retire.

What people don't discuss is how toxic DC has become. There is no room for middle-grounders anymore. We in the public want some middle but it seems both parties are dead set on reaching out to the fringes. Look at where Lindsey has gone in just a couple of years.

2020 should have been a slam dunk for the Dems. We should not need this impeachment, but Trump kept providing reasons to do this.

Here we are.

Toxic is putting it mildly. The history of that toxicity, there was a time I remember well when both parties had their conservative and liberal wings. The Democrats, the conservative south, the Republicans, the Rockefeller Liberal Republican Northeast. Neither party was that ideological. Then the democrats kicked out all their conservatives, followed by the Republicans eliminating their liberals. For the last 20 years or so, both have been busy getting rid of their moderates. Today we have two ideologue parties which basically hate each other.

You can also see how this turn to becoming ideologues has effected the two major parties as they shrunk and independents have grown over the years. From 1940-1965 approximately 80% of Americans identified themselves with the two major parties. Independents were below 20%. I used 1940 as the starting point as that was when Pew Research and Gallup began keeping track of these things. Then from 1965-1984 roughly, 70% of Americans affiliated themselves with the two major parties, that dropped to 60% from 1984-2008 and has hence shrunk into the upper 50% range while independents, the non-affiliated now average 40% plus of the electorate. It appears there is no room for a moderate in D.C. or either party anymore. They both have litmus tests.

Now there may be some hope. In 2006 when the Democrats took over congress they replaced mostly moderate Republicans with very liberal Democrats. Then in 2010 the reverse, the moderate democrats lost to mostly ultra conservative Republicans. The more moderate blue dog Democrats, 51 of them were the victims of the 63 seat gain by the GOP. So we were left with ultra right vs. ultra left in D.C. No room for compromise with the mindset of my way or the highway, destroy the other party. No room to work for the common good, just stand on principle no matter what.

The hope, 31 of the 40 seat pick up by the Democrats in 2018 were where moderate Democrats beat the conservative Republican. All 31 in Trump won districts back in 2016. These 31 are why Pelosi fought to avoid the impeachment fight or at least make it official. Prior to 2018, 2/3rds of all democratic representatives came from the Northeast and West Coast. 2/3rds from 14 states. That is more representative of a regional party than a national one. Of course the GOP is the reverse of that, most of their representatives coming from the south, plain and mountain states. Maybe with the election of 31 Democratic moderates in 2018 we could be getting back to a more civilized situation in Washington. Maybe.

Maybe, I say. That's because Pelosi wouldn't allow any pro life Democrats to run for the House. The Democrats still have their litmus test. But at least a single ray of sunshine might have broken through the clouds. Will it continue? That is the question, isn't it?
 
Good to see Trump embrace Senate trial.
 
Well, it appears that the House is done with testimonies unless someone else decides to come forward. I've watched a bit of some of the testimonies, and caught highlights of others, and the case is very strong imo as to what Trump and his lackeys tried to do. It is obvious to all who don't want to defend him for everything he does that he leaned on the freshman president of a desperate country to make announcements about investigating the Bidens and Crowdstrike. There is zero indication that Trump cared about corruption in Ukraine or anywhere else, he simply wanted political dirt to muddy up Joe Biden.

That said, I don't think he'll actually be impeached. Obviously none of the Repubs will vote for impeachment, but I foresee a good handful of moderate Dems in swing districts alos not voting for impeachment. Enough to prevent him from being impeached.

That said, if somehow there is enough to impeach him, it's a foregone conclusion he will not be convicted. I feel pretty strongly that at least 2 Democrats will also not vote to convict: Doug Jones and Joe Manchin. And I can also see Kyrsten Sinema voting against conviction as well.

So what are your predictions?

I am still thinking he won't actually be impeached in the House. I realize this is a long shot, but I think that there will be enough Dems in "Trump districts" who want to hold on to their seats. They fear that over the "fear of Nancy".
 
Probably not. Actually, a lot depends on how many seats they lose in California. There are a lot of unhappy Californians over homelessness, crime, drugs, PG&E, power turned off, taxes, and a governor who is out of his league. He got there on looks and connections and money from the Getty family, but administratively, he’s vapor locking. The R’s wont swing the state, but it will create nationwide issues out of local ones because there is no much video subject matter.

You're bizarre. Californians are 2-1 Democratic for a reasons, and Gavin Newsom is one of the best politicians around, highly talented. You may as well say JFK had nothing but good looks, it's an easy lie to say.

Democrats just TOOK every seat in the historic home of Republicans in the state, Orange County, the last election.
 
I think this just another political stunt. I think as long as the powers that be can keep the majority of people fighting each other they can continue to control our government while we make fools of ourselves.
 
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