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Impeachment Hearing - Thursday Nov 21 - Live Reaction

jnug said:
If your point is that the aid was provided, that is not a valid argument. The aid was provided because the WBer complaint was sent to Congress and Congressional pressure regarding the withholding was already building even before that. Trump lost his nerve and backed out immediately beginning phase II of the coverup. But bribery/extortion attempted is STILL bribery/extortion.

Plus while Trump never got his announcement of investigations (which is what he really wanted, not caring a rats behind about actual investigations) Zalinsky to this day has not gotten his WH meeting. A UN Pressor is not a WH meeting regardless of how hard Rep Jordan tries to shove that square peg in that round hole.

When the Majority makes its Summation, this will all be much easier to follow.
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Pressure was building from the Senate, yes, but so was pressure from the end of the fiscal year.

Schiff does a summation every day.

From the WB to this day, the accusations are not supported by facts, and presumptions are not facts.
That's a fact.
 
Nunes looks like he is zoned out on some sleep inducing drugs. He said almost nothing other than getting in his boogey man of Steele and it seemed to go nowhere.
 
j brown's body said:
Wasn't it withheld because Trump doesn't like foreign aid? Because European countries weren't paying enough? Withheld due to Trumps "well known" opposition to corruption?

Or are all these excuses now "inoperative", in the word made famous by Nixon's press secretary?
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The testimony and evidence indicates the aid was not immediately released because of concerns over corruption, and a desire to see evidence corruption was being addressed.

This would align with the purview of any President.
 
Obscurity said:
Nonsense. Anyone with a quarter brain can see what happened here, and anyone with kids surely understands the pathetic, kindergarten argument the repugs are throwing up. It's a total farce, their arguments are shot through with so many holes it's starting to look like a swiss cheese factory.
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I saw what was going to happen as soon as the SCWB emerged. I even made a prediction about it.
 
ocean515 said:
The testimony and evidence indicates the aid was not immediately released because of concerns over corruption, and a desire to see evidence corruption was being addressed.

This would align with the purview of any President.
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Trump was required by law to inform congress of the hold on aid.

He never informed congress
 
ocean515 said:
Facts are facts. You should quit running from them.
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Says the guy who can't accept that potus DIRECTLY tied the aid with an investigation....to....wait for it...ZELENSKY .

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CaughtInThe said:
Lying means nothing to 2019 Republicans.

We're not dealing with WWII vets with integrity anymore.
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They lie like rugs. They disgust me, and are a mockery of the party of lincoln.

In the interim, they want to declare the dems as do nothing dems, despite the 400+ bills passed by the house, stonewalled by Mitch and the other senate do-nothings.
 
bubbabgone said:
Pressure was building from the Senate, yes, but so was pressure from the end of the fiscal year.

Schiff does a summation every day.

From the WB to this day, the accusations are not supported by facts, and presumptions are not facts.
That's a fact.
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What Schiff provides on a daily basis is not a summation of the case they are trying to build. I don't even think Schiff will do it at the end of the day today. He will dedicate a separate session to it. I just hope he does not do it in writing only and I hope he does not leave it to Judiciary unless there is an ironclad guarantee from Judiciary that they will do it within two weeks of getting the Material from Intel. Even that is too long for my liking. Schiff should do it from Intel within days of the last day of testimony.
 
Nunes is a total moron. Listen to this. What a joke he is.
 
ocean515 said:
True. Had he withheld the aid, he would have had to inform Congress. He didn't withhold the aid, so he was not required to inform Congress.
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He did withhold for a time and Congress and the DOD should have been informed WEEKS before the aid was finally released. So sorry...another bogus argument. Feed it to Jordan. He will say ANYTHING too.
 
Obscurity said:
Nunes is a total moron. Listen to this. What a joke he is.
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It's the same routine every time he speaks.

Make petulant remarks about Schiff followed by some conspiracy theory red meat for the Infowars base.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Says the guy who can't accept that potus DIRECTLY tied the aid with an investigation....to....wait for it...ZELENSKY .

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Thanks for offering your impression.

From the transcript of Sondland's testimony in Schiff's bunker

"I asked the President, what do you want from Ukraine? The President responded, nothing. There is no quid pro. The President repeated, no quid pro. No quid pro quo multiple times. This was a very short call."​

From testimony yesterday:

 
Excast said:
It's the same routine every time he speaks.

Make petulant remarks about Schiff followed by some conspiracy theory red meat for the Infowars base.
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It's preposterous. He's a walking mockery. And Gymnasium does more damage to the republican cause than good. He shouldn't be on this committee.
 
Obscurity said:
Nunes is a total moron. Listen to this. What a joke he is.
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Nunes talking about the Steel Dossier again...
Asking the witness about Ohr and Fusion GPS, the Witness was like "wtf I'm not involved that, I can't comment".
Nunes claiming the ledger kept by corrupt pro-Russian Victor Y. was not credible...the black ledger...
Yes, it exists, and is credible the witness said.
Nunes, um, Mueller said it wasn't do you disagree with him??
I am not aware of what Mueller said, but it was used in other criminal proceedings without protest, etc.

Right wing conspiracy theories, still going.
 
ocean515 said:
Thanks for offering your impression.

From the transcript of Sondland's testimony in Schiff's bunker

"I asked the President, what do you want from Ukraine? The President responded, nothing. There is no quid pro. The President repeated, no quid pro. No quid pro quo multiple times. This was a very short call."​

From testimony yesterday:

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Yes, because the mob boss screams out "THIS IS AN EXTORTION GIG!" while he does his illicit activies.

No one is falling for your bull ****.
 
jnug said:
He did withhold for a time and Congress and the DOD should have been informed WEEKS before the aid was finally released. So sorry...another bogus argument. Feed it to Jordan. He will say ANYTHING too.
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What you think doesn't matter.
 
jnug said:
What Schiff provides on a daily basis is not a summation of the case they are trying to build. I don't even think Schiff will do it at the end of the day today. He will dedicate a separate session to it. I just hope he does not do it in writing only and I hope he does not leave it to Judiciary unless there is an ironclad guarantee from Judiciary that they will do it within two weeks of getting the Material from Intel. Even that is too long for my liking. Schiff should do it from Intel within days of the last day of testimony.
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Not to worry, he'll let Nadler know what the Articles should say.
 
Christ how did Caster get this job. Did he clerk for some famous Federalist approved judge....what???? I don't get it.
 
Mach said:
Nunes talking about the Steel Dossier again...
Asking the witness about Ohr and Fusion GPS, the Witness was like "wtf I'm not involved that, I can't comment".
Nunes claiming the ledger kept by corrupt pro-Russian Victor Y. was not credible...the black ledger...
Yes, it exists, and is credible the witness said.
Nunes, um, Mueller said it wasn't do you disagree with him??
I am not aware of what Mueller said, but it was used in other criminal proceedings without protest, etc.

Right wing conspiracy theories, still going.
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It's all about keepiung this as partisan as possible. While they piss and moan about a "partisan witch hunt" the GOP engages in a "Partisan witness smear campaign" fueled by the agitprop and rabble rousing nonsense from Fox News.
 
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