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Hearing haven't swayed voters

I never claimed that it was acceptable. I am simply pointing out current political reality. We must accept that current political reality so long as we keep those same politicians in office. We the sheeple cant rationally expect "our" congress critters to change their ways while we re-elect them at a rate of over 90%.

No. I refuse to accept the current political reality and seek to alter it in any way I can.

Acceptance normalizes it.

This is not normal.
 
GOP Rep. Mike Turner Grills Sondland: No One On This Planet Told You Aid Was Tied To Investigations? | Video | RealClearPolitics
No he "Presumed"it. Don't be dishonest.

GOP Rep. Mike Turner asked witness Gordon Sondland, the US Ambassador to the EU: "No one on this planet told you that this aid was tied to investigations. Yes or no?"






Gordon Sondland: "Yes."

Turner, who called Sondland's testimony "somewhat circular," questioned the ambassador's assertion that "everyone was in the loop." "If Giuliani didn't give you any expressed statement, then it can't be that you believed this [about the connection between investigations and aid] from Giuliani," Turner said. "Is that your testimony today, Amb. Sondland? That you have evidence that Donald Trump tied the investigations to aid because I don't think you're saying that."

Sondland said he was "presuming" that is what Trump meant.

Try again.

I just don't see how Democrats think they have anything after that part of Sondland's testimony, added to the fact that absolutely no one testified there was a bribe.
 
1. Withholding an official act, in order for personal gain, is bribery. It's also extortion.

2. It -will- come out that Trump ordered this, even though you guys completely lack awareness.

3. Your angle shooting to leap and bound around any obstacle that shows how corrupt this POTUS is is getting hysterical at this point.

Trump WILL be impeached. The Senate WILL see evidence of extortion, bribery, quid pro quo, abuse of power, obstruction of justice.

The obstruction case was laid out yesterday. McConnell and Graham are going to be CEASELESSLY hounded for hypocrisy on these topics.

The Senate has been -very quiet.-

You should be concerned.

Where's it going to come out from? Just the opposite has happened so far.
 
there is only “I assumed,” “I gathered,” “I presumed,” and “my personal belief is that” — without direct knowledge of impeachable wrongdoing or some smoking-gun email or document.
Sondland was asked the question of what Trump wanted from Ukraine — with Trump answering “Nothing!”

a ton of Republicans will be in denial for a long time. You are simply one of them.
 
I am highly suspicious that fox news is the primary reason that there is no movement on the conservative side. We will see if the Sondland Testimony changes anything. Cooper blasted away yet another GOP defense, that Ukraine didn't know about the hold up, just last night.

The facts are pointing in this direction:

Ukraine knew it wasn't getting aid.
Ukraine knew it had to kow tow to Trump to get their official visit.
Trump directed Giuliani to handle Ukraine Matters.
Trump was the final say in releasing funds and setting and accepting meetings, meaning he is directly tied to the withholding of aid and the meeting.
Trump never asked for an investigation to be opened - and this is key - just that it be ANNOUNCED. Why? To dirty up Joe, that's the -sole reason-, and YET ANOTHER GOP Defense crumbles, that Burisma=/=Biden, and that Trump was worried about Corruption.

This is completely insane. These actions all match a pattern. Withholding federal aid to the state of California, because he is butt-hurt and scorned over their constant disapproval and lawsuits. Now he's doing it to Ukraine, holding hostage official acts because he feels they undermined him in 2016, a debunked conspiracy theory peddled only by far right actors.

This is a president who stole from a veterans charity; who mocked and scorned a deceased american POW and senator; who insults millions of americans daily with his partisan attacks; who abuses power by using his office for personal gain; who soils the respect and dignity of the office, kow towing to brutal dictators like Erdogan and North Korea; who derides our military heroes when convenient; who pardons WAR CRIMINALS as suggested by a media outlet; who constantly blames everyone else for all his ills; and finally, who cooks up schemes to cover extramarital affairs with porn stars.

This is a president who is a walking mockery, and should be scorned from office by all decent, patriotic americans.

My numbers don't come from FOX, Real Clear Politics and YouGov polls. I think they show reality minus the partisan bias that almost everyone has one way or the other when it comes to Trump. Now you asked about conservatives. On 13 Nov 15% favored impeachment and removal vs 78% who oppose. On 19 Nov, after a week of hearings you have 10% of conservatives who favor impeachment and removal, 81% opposed. After one week the conservative movement has been ever so slightly towards opposition to impeachment.

This I don't find surprising. When something like this happens, first there is a circle your wagons approach. The same thing happened when Bill Clinton was first impeached. Almost all Democrats came to his defense, you're seeing the same thing happening here. You have to give it more time, it is a natural instinct to protect one of your own. The bottom line is after a week of hearings, no opinions have been changed. The slight movement can easily be explained in the polls margin of error of plus or minus 3 points.

What's most interesting to me is the percentage of those who states they watched the hearings or at least some of the hearings. 41% of all Americans said they at least watched some if not all, 59% said none. Broken down via party the percentages were 52% Democrats who watched at lease some if not all, 48% none. Republicans, 44% said they did, 56% say none. Which whether or not in my opinion, no matter what goes on in the hearings, most Democrats and Republicans aren't going to change their minds regardless of the hearings show. It's independents that fascinate me. Independents, the less to non-partisan's, not affiliated with either party, those who are neither pro or anti Trump, the ones who very well could change their minds, only 31% have watched all or some of the hearings, 69% none. So those who could change their minds one way or the other, basically aren't watching. Perhaps not even interested. There reasons for that, but this is too long already to address them.
 
He confirmed the initial charge; withholding official acts for personal gain.

This is a case closed.

But no. It's just beginning.

I don't have a moral hill to die on with this president; you, on the other hand, do. Keep it up. Negative partisanship lost you guys the house in 2018, and will lose you more in the future.

You do realize the republican defense of this is now relegated to ensuring we keep seeing this as a partisan hatchet job, and not a legitimate inquiry into presidential abuse of power, right? If you didn't realize that, you've been manipulated. You should stop reading the media you read immediately. Listen strictly to the hearings. And formulate your own opinion.

You are right. The case is closed. House Democrats will impeach Trump for bribery. Not one witness has testified there was bribery. In fact, when asked, the witnesses said there was no bribery. The best they could come up with is Sondland saying that he presumed things.
 
You are right. The case is closed. House Democrats will impeach Trump for bribery. Not one witness has testified there was bribery. In fact, when asked, the witnesses said there was no bribery. The best they could come up with is Sondland saying that he presumed things.

Yeah, yeah.
 
Thread title:Hearing haven't swayed voters

Would hate to be married to one of you guys since you regularly suffer from premature ejaculation.

Premature ejaculation? LOL. That perfectly describes Democrats for the last three years!
 
No. I refuse to accept the current political reality and seek to alter it in any way I can.

Acceptance normalizes it.

This is not normal.

You live in an interesting state since PA has one demorat and one republicant representing it in the US Senate - it would be interesting to note how many times they have cancelled out each other's vote on bills or other policy matters.
 
You live in an interesting state since PA has one demorat and one republicant representing it in the US Senate - it would be interesting to note how many times they have cancelled out each other's vote on bills or other policy matters.

Many. Toomey is a hopeless sell out and a liar. Casey is alright. I agree with some and not all. But Toomey - Toomey can burn in the darkest depths of fictional hell.
 
a ton of Republicans will be in denial for a long time. You are simply one of them.

The ones that matter . The senate.
Scoreboard ,baby.
 
a ton of Republicans will be in denial for a long time. You are simply one of them.

a ton of Democrats will be in denial for a long time. You are simply one of them. Your total obsessed hatred of Trump clouds your judgment on everything.
 
The ones that matter . The senate.
Scoreboard ,baby.

oh, the Republican Senators definitely have the corrupt President's back.

congrats on that.
 
a ton of Democrats will be in denial for a long time. You are simply one of them. Your total obsessed hatred of Trump clouds your judgment on everything.

well, other than, you know, the actual testimony and evidence presented.

but don't worry, the Republicans in the Senate are gonna approve of all of Trump's corruption.


i bet a ton of Republican kids, from 20-30 have disowned a ton of their parents over their support for Republican corruption. hell, they'll have to fix this mess so they should.
 


Want to deny the sworn testimony?

Keep embarrassing yourself.













Socialist/Communist Democrats do not care about facts. Only Disruption.
 
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Socialist/Communist Democrats do not care about facts. Only Disruption.


Which explains why they organized the "Resistance" movement the day after the election in 2016.

They will rue the day they opened Pandora's Box.
 
My numbers don't come from FOX, Real Clear Politics and YouGov polls. I think they show reality minus the partisan bias that almost everyone has one way or the other when it comes to Trump. Now you asked about conservatives. On 13 Nov 15% favored impeachment and removal vs 78% who oppose. On 19 Nov, after a week of hearings you have 10% of conservatives who favor impeachment and removal, 81% opposed. After one week the conservative movement has been ever so slightly towards opposition to impeachment.

This I don't find surprising. When something like this happens, first there is a circle your wagons approach. The same thing happened when Bill Clinton was first impeached. Almost all Democrats came to his defense, you're seeing the same thing happening here. You have to give it more time, it is a natural instinct to protect one of your own. The bottom line is after a week of hearings, no opinions have been changed. The slight movement can easily be explained in the polls margin of error of plus or minus 3 points.

What's most interesting to me is the percentage of those who states they watched the hearings or at least some of the hearings. 41% of all Americans said they at least watched some if not all, 59% said none. Broken down via party the percentages were 52% Democrats who watched at lease some if not all, 48% none. Republicans, 44% said they did, 56% say none. Which whether or not in my opinion, no matter what goes on in the hearings, most Democrats and Republicans aren't going to change their minds regardless of the hearings show. It's independents that fascinate me. Independents, the less to non-partisan's, not affiliated with either party, those who are neither pro or anti Trump, the ones who very well could change their minds, only 31% have watched all or some of the hearings, 69% none. So those who could change their minds one way or the other, basically aren't watching. Perhaps not even interested. There reasons for that, but this is too long already to address them.










Here is a fact.
 
The House impeachment hearings haven’t moved voters so far, with a plurality still expecting President Trump to be reelected next November. The number who thinks the president’s impeachment is likely hasn’t changed, but there’s sizable support for expanding the hearings to include the activities of Joe Biden and his son.

Impeachment Hearings Haven’t Swayed Voters; Many Ask, ‘Where’s Biden?’ - Rasmussen Reports(R)

Dems-->:boohoo:

Impeachment = Backfiring on the Democrats

Democrat Party = On its last legs
 
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