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    Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Report: State Dept Quietly Released Ukraine Aid On Bolton’s Orders
    We do not know if Trump ever gave the go ahead to release the aid to Ukraine since the actual order was signed by Bolton who was soon after fired. I wonder if the WB had not blown the whistle on the Trump administration would Trump have first squeezed thee investigation of the Biden's out odd Ukraine and then just let the time run out on being able to send the aid? We know from his past, that Trump often did not pay his bills. Would this time been any different. He could have gotten the statement by Ukraine that there was an investigation and then just stood back and said ops! It is a thought .

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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Depends on what extortion effort succeeded. If the deal of an announcement of Investigations for a WH meeting was the effort that succeeded, then Zalinsky would have gotten the meeting and in all likelihood Trump would have asked for another concession during the meeting for the funding.

    The problem with that scenario is that by then Sept 30th would have passed and the Congress would have had to reauthorize and there is no telling how that would have worked out. Would the Congress put some additional guardrails around the money in order to make sure DonDon did not dick around with it again? As it is $35M of the money for military aid did not make it through to the contracting process and the only way that $35M will get tacked back on is if it can make through to contracting during the CR period that ends now just before Christmas.

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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

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    Report: State Dept Quietly Released Ukraine Aid On Bolton’s Orders
    We do not know if Trump ever gave the go ahead to release the aid to Ukraine since the actual order was signed by Bolton who was soon after fired. I wonder if the WB had not blown the whistle on the Trump administration would Trump have first squeezed thee investigation of the Biden's out odd Ukraine and then just let the time run out on being able to send the aid? We know from his past, that Trump often did not pay his bills. Would this time been any different. He could have gotten the statement by Ukraine that there was an investigation and then just stood back and said ops! It is a thought .
    Given the fact that the Administration hasn't given an official answer to why it was withheld in the first place, I'd say that's impossible to answer. I haven't seen anything to indicate that he would have released the aid if the Ukrainians didn't comply with his demands.
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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Of course he would have; right after Zielinsky "did him a favor though".

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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Depends on what extortion effort succeeded. If the deal of an announcement of Investigations for a WH meeting was the effort that succeeded, then Zalinsky would have gotten the meeting and in all likelihood Trump would have asked for another concession during the meeting for the funding.

    The problem with that scenario is that by then Sept 30th would have passed and the Congress would have had to reauthorize and there is no telling how that would have worked out. Would the Congress put some additional guardrails around the money in order to make sure DonDon did not dick around with it again? As it is $35M of the money for military aid did not make it through to the contracting process and the only way that $35M will get tacked back on is if it can make through to contracting during the CR period that ends now just before Christmas.
    There is a law that requires the aid to be sent once congress authorized it. In fact the law does not even allow the President to hold it up for any reason. It was passed in 1974 because Nixon held up some aid and the congress passed the law to stop future presidents from doing so. It is called the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974.
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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Report: State Dept Quietly Released Ukraine Aid On Bolton’s Orders
    We do not know if Trump ever gave the go ahead to release the aid to Ukraine since the actual order was signed by Bolton who was soon after fired. I wonder if the WB had not blown the whistle on the Trump administration would Trump have first squeezed thee investigation of the Biden's out odd Ukraine and then just let the time run out on being able to send the aid? We know from his past, that Trump often did not pay his bills. Would this time been any different. He could have gotten the statement by Ukraine that there was an investigation and then just stood back and said ops! It is a thought .
    We will never know but I suspect he would. I personally have no problem with demanding things from other countries before we give them our taxpayer dollars. The democrat politicians say no one is above the law but then they are always above the law. I see an enormous problem with Hunter Biden having sat on a Ukraine gas company board of directors and collecting 50-60 thousand dollars a month for years for doing what? His father was VP and he had no expertise related to the field. His father bragged about getting a prosecutor known to be investigating a known corrupt gas company, (the one Hunter Biden sat on the board of) getting that prosecutor fired with a threat of denying funding to the Ukraine of $1Billion dollars if they didn't fire that person. Nothing wrong, well it deserves being looked at if we really believe nobody is above the law.

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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    We will never know but I suspect he would. I personally have no problem with demanding things from other countries before we give them our taxpayer dollars. The democrat politicians say no one is above the law but then they are always above the law. I see an enormous problem with Hunter Biden having sat on a Ukraine gas company board of directors and collecting 50-60 thousand dollars a month for years for doing what? His father was VP and he had no expertise related to the field. His father bragged about getting a prosecutor known to be investigating a known corrupt gas company, (the one Hunter Biden sat on the board of) getting that prosecutor fired with a threat of denying funding to the Ukraine of $1Billion dollars if they didn't fire that person. Nothing wrong, well it deserves being looked at if we really believe nobody is above the law.
    If there was one iota of reasonable suspicion of criminal wrong-doing on the part of Hunter Biden, I'd say investigate the hell out of it. He's a US citizen, and the US and Ukraine are both members of the UN Convention against Corruption... with evidence, there's no reason whatsoever why the DOJ couldn't initiate an investigation here and enlist the help of Ukrainian authorities to pursue it there. There is already a legal framework in place to make that happen.

    So why hasn't it been done? Because we operate under the rule of law. This isn't a Stalinist police state where the paranoid conspiracy theories of the "great leader" are enough to imprison someone.

    If the President has solid evidence for any of his allegations, there is nothing stopping him from referring the matter to the Department of Justice.

    But Rudy Giuliani isn't the law. He shouldn't America's Grand Inquisitor in search of heretics to prosecute. And there's no way in hell a dime of public money should be spent to launch bogus prosecutions of political rivals. If that's the kind of country you want to live in.... where taxpayer money can be withheld for personal gain, well, don't be too surprised down the road when the guy at Social Security makes your retired mother give him a blow job before he releases the hold on her OASI check. Because that's Trump's America.
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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Integrityrespec View Post
    We will never know but I suspect he would. I personally have no problem with demanding things from other countries before we give them our taxpayer dollars. The democrat politicians say no one is above the law but then they are always above the law. I see an enormous problem with Hunter Biden having sat on a Ukraine gas company board of directors and collecting 50-60 thousand dollars a month for years for doing what? His father was VP and he had no expertise related to the field. His father bragged about getting a prosecutor known to be investigating a known corrupt gas company, (the one Hunter Biden sat on the board of) getting that prosecutor fired with a threat of denying funding to the Ukraine of $1Billion dollars if they didn't fire that person. Nothing wrong, well it deserves being looked at if we really believe nobody is above the law.


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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Report: State Dept Quietly Released Ukraine Aid On Bolton’s Orders
    We do not know if Trump ever gave the go ahead to release the aid to Ukraine since the actual order was signed by Bolton who was soon after fired. I wonder if the WB had not blown the whistle on the Trump administration would Trump have first squeezed thee investigation of the Biden's out odd Ukraine and then just let the time run out on being able to send the aid? We know from his past, that Trump often did not pay his bills. Would this time been any different. He could have gotten the statement by Ukraine that there was an investigation and then just stood back and said ops! It is a thought .
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    Re: Would Trump have ever released the aid if not pressured to do so?

    Yes, as soon as Ukraine announced the investigations as he wanted, which they were a few days from doing when events forced trump to release it early.

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