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Trump haters.

Those things are based on TANGIBLES. Democrats can't touch what Trump has been delivering, so they run on "justice" and feelings and emotions and grievances.
 
Perotista said:
I do think approximately 80% of America is divided between two camps, the love, pro Trump camp and the hate, atni Trump camp. That this is pretty much divided among party lines. Personally, I think Trump has a very obnoxious, uncouth personality, more suited to being a wrestler in the WWE than an occupant of the oval office. He's a very easy man to dislike due to his persona. Personally, like any other president, Trump has done somethings I agreed with, come I opposed and quite a lot that was irrelevant to me.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, neither did I vote for Hillary Clinton, I voted against both. I won't vote for Trump in 2020. His bullying, temper tantrum, name calling, and a ton of other adjectives in front of his name, character is too much for me. But this doesn't mean I'll automatically vote Democrat. That depends on who their nominee is. Chances are, I'll be voting against both again. I'm probably not alone as 20% of all independents are in the it depends column as of the moment.
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For me, I don't hate trump at all, dislike him immensely for many of the same reasons you mention. From the moment of his descent down the escalator on day one I thought to myself after listening to him spout his incendiary craziness, this is a con man snake oil salesman. I knew the name trump, even played in one of his casinos but didn't really know much more. That was my first impression of him and I have never seen a single episode of the apprentice so I had no real bias of him. After three years of his antics, this man is a danger to america and our democracy. A man-child who lashes out at his supposed enemies on twitter like he's twelve. Talk about signs that would indicate he needs to be red-flagged it's him. His not so subtle threats should raise a red flag for every american. Are we turning into a society that someone tried to pull off in the thirties in another land across the seas?

Danger, danger, danger will robinson.
 
Luckyone said:
Luckyone raises his hand. I am a Trump hater.

The reason I hate him is that he represents everything I am against and have been taught all my life to follow.............morals, ethics, principles and humanity. In addition, I truly care about people in general and Trump does not care about anyone but himself, meaning he should not be in a position to make decisions that affect others as he will not have their best interests in mind. Last but not least, Trump is a liar and liars are not people that can be trusted on anything.


Trump is the definition of a sociopath and sociopaths generally end up hurting everyone they touch. I hate that kind of a person.
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okay

but you lost the vote....

you can rail against society in general because people went against your wishes (very unproductive)

or you can spend your time figuring out WHY they voted that way, and make sure your next candidate is better than the last (a more productive route)

your choice....
 
bongsaway said:
I often see this term used by republicans on here. What makes a person a trump hater and who are they?
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Haters hate and it shows. One doesn't have to agree with Trump, one is certainly entitled to disagreeing with him or his policies. When one expresses such with hysteria, spreading rumors and gossip, when one lowers oneself to childish, disparaging, hateful comments, one exposes oneself as a hysteric hater following a mob mentality. It shows.
As for who they are...why risk a warning by naming them, unless we want to take it to the basement?
 
Luckyone said:
I have no hate for Trump because I have to reconsider the rightness of my beliefs given that some beliefs are basic and always true. 1) Taking someone's life other than in self defense is wrong 2) committing adultery is wrong 3) stealing from others is wrong 4) being cruel is wrong 5) lying for one's own benefit is wrong 6) debasing others without reason is wrong.

Your post seems to suggest that these "long-cherished beliefs" should be reconsidered. Pray tell me why they may be wrong and not basic?
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I was referring to, let us say, the belief that capital punishment is wrong. It is possible that some liberals may be changing their minds because, let us say, a loved one has been brutally murdered. They might be embarrassed that they are abandoning a cherished liberal mantra, so they might blame President Trump, for they know that his administration has announced that the federal government plans to use capital punishment, which was abandoned by his predecessor.


Have a nice weekend.
 
swing_voter said:
Last survey I saw, 90% of republicans support Trump.

That's why the republicans in congress haven't turned on Trump.

The impeachment is 100% partisan.
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No, it's because they value their jobs (money), and position over common decency and doing what is right. They aren't all, contrary to all indications, idiots; they know Trump is a reckless and incompetent wanker, as should anyone with a functioning cortex.
 
bongsaway said:
For me, I don't hate trump at all, dislike him immensely for many of the same reasons you mention. From the moment of his descent down the escalator on day one I thought to myself after listening to him spout his incendiary craziness, this is a con man snake oil salesman. I knew the name trump, even played in one of his casinos but didn't really know much more. That was my first impression of him and I have never seen a single episode of the apprentice so I had no real bias of him. After three years of his antics, this man is a danger to america and our democracy. A man-child who lashes out at his supposed enemies on twitter like he's twelve. Talk about signs that would indicate he needs to be red-flagged it's him. His not so subtle threats should raise a red flag for every american. Are we turning into a society that someone tried to pull off in the thirties in another land across the seas?

Danger, danger, danger will robinson.
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I've always said with all of Trump's temper tantrums and name calling, he reminds me of a four year old whose parents forgot to teach him any manners. Your 12 years gives him more credit than I. Now I won't vote for another candidate I dislike and don't want to become president just to get rid of Trump either. That's not accomplishing anything in my book. It's like replacing evil with evil. Replacing the devil you know with a devil you don't.

I'll leave it up to the Democrats to come up with a decent candidate I can vote for. If not, it's third party once more. It's my opinion the Democrats should have learned the lesson from 2012 that candidates matter. If they haven't, history has a tendency to repeat itself. That would be a shame to put it mildly. And as the polls shows, around 20% of all independents are in the same boat as I. Their's and my vote will be decided by who the Democrats nominate.
 
bongsaway said:
Sounds like that definition came from an obama hater.
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Why? just because the word Obama was used? I assume we are talking about the only ex-president in history who has set about a coup to disrupt and unseat his successor, actively setting up offices and organizing a collection of agitators and organizers to accomplish his task, that Obama?
 
bongsaway said:
I often see this term used by republicans on here. What makes a person a trump hater and who are they?
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I believe I hate the dummies who fall for his schtick more than Trump, and I certainly hate his defenders even more than I do the dummies.

Trump is just doing what slimeballs do--slime'n.
 
TheParser said:
There are at least three categories of Trump haters.

No. 1. They hate him because of his gender, ethnicity, and wealth.

No. 2. They hate him because they consider his policy goals to be cruel and inhumane.

No. 3. They hate him because he has caused them to reconsider the rightness of some of their long-cherished beliefs. They can never forgive him for doing this.
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I haven’t seen anyone attack his gender or ethnicity.

His “wealth” is a joke. Everyone in the business world knew that well before he even ran for office.

Abandoning the Kurds to almost certain ethnic cleansing, and putting thousands of children in cages for indefinite periods is viewed around the world as cruel and inhuman, This coming for a clown who talks about “****hole countries”.

Haven’t reconsidered any of my positions because of Trump.

Trump doesn’t care about positions or politics. All he cares about is how he looks on cable TV, particularly Fox and the right wing blogs.

All he cares about right now is getting through this and remaining a hero to flat earth right winger in the red states, so he can go on tour and get the MAGA hat crowd to throw their money at him.
 
Luckyone said:
Luckyone raises his hand. I am a Trump hater.

The reason I hate him is that he represents everything I am against and have been taught all my life to follow.............morals, ethics, principles and humanity. In addition, I truly care about people in general and Trump does not care about anyone but himself, meaning he should not be in a position to make decisions that affect others as he will not have their best interests in mind. Last but not least, Trump is a liar and liars are not people that can be trusted on anything.


Trump is the definition of a sociopath and sociopaths generally end up hurting everyone they touch. I hate that kind of a person.
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When you say you "truly care" about people, what does that mean exactly? Do you truly care about everyone, even Trump and his supporters?

When you truly care about someone, does that mean you would make important sacrifices for them? Would you dramatically lower your standard of living for people you truly care about?

And if you truly care about everyone, does that mean you would make important sacrifices for every human being in the world?

And what if different people you truly care about have conflicting needs? How would you decide which ones to make important sacrifices for?
 
Luckyone said:
I have no hate for Trump due to his gender, ethnicity or wealth.

I have no hate for Trump because of his policy as some of his policy I agree with.

I have no hate for Trump because I have to reconsider the rightness of my beliefs given that some beliefs are basic and always true. 1) Taking someone's life other than in self defense is wrong 2) committing adultery is wrong 3) stealing from others is wrong 4) being cruel is wrong 5) lying for one's own benefit is wrong 6) debasing others without reason is wrong.

Your post seems to suggest that these "long-cherished beliefs" should be reconsidered. Pray tell me why they may be wrong and not basic?
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You are implying that Trump murdered someone. You think Obama, and most US presidents, didn't murder anyone with military actions?

And you're implying that Trump tells more lies than the average human being, and commits more adultery.

Did you hate Bill Clinton? If not, then you are deceiving yourself about Trump.
 
Luckyone said:
All of the "great things" that you mention are based on economics. None, with the possible exception of prison reform, address mental and emotional well being, all of which are as important as economic health. Simply stated, if someone gives you the ability to earn an income but then degrades you to the point that you have no desire to work, is that a benefit? On the opposite side, if someone makes you believe in yourself, everything else will be accomplished.
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If someone gives you the ability to earn an income, then you are free to get away from them if they degrade you.
 
Perotista said:
Personally, I think Trump has a very obnoxious, uncouth personality, more suited to being a wrestler in the WWE than an occupant of the oval office. He's a very easy man to dislike due to his persona. Personally, like any other president, Trump has done somethings I agreed with, come I opposed and quite a lot that was irrelevant to me.
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Yes, one reason they hate him is because of his uncouth personality. But also simply because he ran as a Republican. He is not ideological, and does not automatically agree with either party. But some people think according to superficial labels.

G.W. Bush had a nice personality, and a good marriage and family. He was never blamed for being unethical in his private life. But plenty of Democrats despised him intensely. Simply for being a Republican.
 
bongsaway said:
I often see this term used by republicans on here. What makes a person a trump hater and who are they?
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'trump hater' is a way for Republicans to explain away the people who criticize trump for good reason. It's sort of like how the plutocrats say that concern about massive inequality is about 'envy', not justice, to try to discredit them. It's a cult mentality. It's the same thing as when trump calls his own staff who say bad things he's done 'never trumpers' to try to discredit them.
 
TheParser said:
There are at least three categories of Trump haters.

No. 1. They hate him because of his gender, ethnicity, and wealth.

No. 2. They hate him because they consider his policy goals to be cruel and inhumane.

No. 3. They hate him because he has caused them to reconsider the rightness of some of their long-cherished beliefs. They can never forgive him for doing this.
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I do not know anyone who hates trump for his gender, none. As far as his ethnicity, no, but they do hate his leanings toward white supremacy groups and their thinking, much like his fathers.
And his wealth, well they have hated that he and his children have lied that they started with nothing rather than the fact that they all were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. They hate Trump crushed hundreds of small businesses by failing to pay his bills and then bragging about it. Finally they hate his present wealth is backed up by Russian money and he is bending backwards to support Putin's actions around the world.
Yes the people who hate Trump do hate him for his cruel and inhumane policies. Anyone with a single Christian moral would do so.
And no, no one hates Trump because he has changes long held beliefs. That is pure fiction since he has not done so.
 
Mycroft said:
This works...
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Sabre said:
Why? just because the word Obama was used? I assume we are talking about the only ex-president in history who has set about a coup to disrupt and unseat his successor, actively setting up offices and organizing a collection of agitators and organizers to accomplish his task, that Obama?
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That sounds more like nixon.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Yes, one reason they hate him is because of his uncouth personality. But also simply because he ran as a Republican. He is not ideological, and does not automatically agree with either party. But some people think according to superficial labels.

G.W. Bush had a nice personality, and a good marriage and family. He was never blamed for being unethical in his private life. But plenty of Democrats despised him intensely. Simply for being a Republican.
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You're going to have democrats despise Republicans simply because of the R next to their names and vice versa, Republicans despising Democrats only because of the D. I think one way to look at a president is the range the opposing party approval ratings. This let's us know how many of the opposing party are/were willing to give the incoming president a chance.

Trump's approval rating from Democrats has ranged from a low of 4% to a high of 9%. I think they hated him since the day after the election.
Obama's approval rating from Republicans ranged from a low of 7% to a high of 41%. That's a decent range which says quite a few GOP'ers will willing to give Obama a chance. By the way, Obama's low of 7% happened in Oct 2010 after the ACA was passed.
G.W. Bush approval ratings from Democrats ranged from a low of 3% to a high of 84%. The 84% approval was right after 9-11 and the 3% was at the end of Bush's second term while we were in the midst of a recession.
Bill Clinton's approval ratings from Republicans ranged from a low of 12% to a high of 43%. Again a good range which approval or disapproval for quite a few Republicans was based on the issues at hand. Same for G.W. from Democrats. Trump is unique in the fact his range is so small and he never was above 10%.

Now I don't hate, but for me Trump's uncouth, obnoxious, in your face personally is the main reason I dislike him and would never vote for him. The difference is I have agreed with and supported Trump on some policies and issues while opposing him on others. Like I have with every other president in my lifetime.

There have been numerous times I'm sure if Trump had the personality of a Reagan his approval rating would have been 55%, perhaps 60%. Independents hold him back, hold him to around 40-44% overall approval. I look at Trump's policies and stances on the issues, for most of his time as president, independents have been split, for around half, against half. That should equate to roughly a 50% approval among independents instead of the 38% they give him today. FYI, Reagan's approval rating from Democrats ranged from 17% to 52%.

The difference is quite a lot of Democrats liked Reagan the man while not liking his policies much at all. With Trump it's both, disliking the man and disliking his policies.

I also agree with you that Trump isn't ideological. How can someone who switched parties seven times be an ideologue. It's the man's personality, his persona that is dooming him. It can be broken down like this. Question 64. Trump Likability - Regardless of whether you agree with him, do you like or dislike Donald Trump as a person? Democrats Like Trump the person 5%, Dislike Trump the person, 82%. Republicans like Trump the person, 74%, dislike Trump the person 12%. Independents Like trump the person 29%, dislike Trump the person 42%

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/u9tu99dui5/econTabReport.pdf
 
gdgyva said:
okay

but you lost the vote....

you can rail against society in general because people went against your wishes (very unproductive)

or you can spend your time figuring out WHY they voted that way, and make sure your next candidate is better than the last (a more productive route)

your choice....
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I know the main reasons they voted that way

1) they wanted change
2) they were conned
3) they didn't consider the consequences of their vote.

None are good reasons as change for the sake of change can make things better but also worse. They were conned is more excusable but the reality is that smart people usually do not get conned. They did not consider the consequences of their decisions because their desire for change make them believe that any change is better. They were wrong.

It is not surprising that they were wrong because human nature is to make mistakes. Nonetheless, after 3 years of Trump they no longer have an excuse. Now it is all about economics (everything else not important) and pride (they do not want to admit they were wrong.
 
I hate his stinking guts.
 
TheParser said:
I was referring to, let us say, the belief that capital punishment is wrong. It is possible that some liberals may be changing their minds because, let us say, a loved one has been brutally murdered. They might be embarrassed that they are abandoning a cherished liberal mantra, so they might blame President Trump, for they know that his administration has announced that the federal government plans to use capital punishment, which was abandoned by his predecessor.


Have a nice weekend.
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I thought you were addressing the post to me and none of that applies to my feelings about Trump.
 
Good4Nothin said:
When you say you "truly care" about people, what does that mean exactly? Do you truly care about everyone, even Trump and his supporters?

When you truly care about someone, does that mean you would make important sacrifices for them? Would you dramatically lower your standard of living for people you truly care about?

And if you truly care about everyone, does that mean you would make important sacrifices for every human being in the world?

And what if different people you truly care about have conflicting needs? How would you decide which ones to make important sacrifices for?
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I care about humanity and the betterment of it. I care what happens to all humans, good or bad. I do not wish badly against those who voted for Trump, even now when they should know better. By the same token, those that support what Trump is doing, knowing the kind of person he is, cannot be forgiven.
 
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