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Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

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I am no longer calling this a quid pro quo because apparently trump and his followers may not understand what that means. I will call it what it really is, bribery, so Trump and all of his followers can understand. And now Voelker like Sondland befor him is changing his testimony and now saying that it was a military money for the investigation of the Biden's. I wonder how Sondland's testimony will now change as each person who testifies brings Voelker and Sondland closer to perjury charges if they continue to lie to protect Trump.
 
I am no longer calling this a quid pro quo because apparently trump and his followers may not understand what that means. I will call it what it really is, bribery, so Trump and all of his followers can understand. And now Voelker like Sondland befor him is changing his testimony and now saying that it was a military money for the investigation of the Biden's. I wonder how Sondland's testimony will now change as each person who testifies brings Voelker and Sondland closer to perjury charges if they continue to lie to protect Trump.

Please quote his previous and amended testimony.

I don't think you fully understand what changes he made.
 
Please quote his previous and amended testimony.

I don't think you fully understand what changes he made.

Hes pretty clearly indicated he was incorrect in his previous statements. The bribe exists.

Trump bribed zelensky. The fact it's a benefit for the president personally is established.

As usual trump is his own worst enemy.

The rnc's already running ads about burisma and biden.

Hot damn this is insane.
 
I am no longer calling this a quid pro quo because apparently trump and his followers may not understand what that means. I will call it what it really is, bribery, so Trump and all of his followers can understand. And now Voelker like Sondland befor him is changing his testimony and now saying that it was a military money for the investigation of the Biden's. I wonder how Sondland's testimony will now change as each person who testifies brings Voelker and Sondland closer to perjury charges if they continue to lie to protect Trump.

And BRIBERY is mentioned in the EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE as cause for impeachment and removal from office. I think this inquiry is going quite well, don't you? :)
 
Please quote his previous and amended testimony.

I don't think you fully understand what changes he made.

So you can lie about it?

I suppose you had to say something in the first few posts after the thread was created, but that's weak as all hell. This is public knowledge. Go read up (for the first time ever)
 
Hes pretty clearly indicated he was incorrect in his previous statements. The bribe exists.

Trump bribed zelensky. The fact it's a benefit for the president personally is established.

As usual trump is his own worst enemy.

The rnc's already running ads about burisma and biden.

Hot damn this is insane.

So...you have no quotes.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
So you can lie about it?

I suppose you had to say something in the first few posts after the thread was created, but that's weak as all hell. This is public knowledge. Go read up (for the first time ever)

So...you have no quotes.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
Please quote his previous and amended testimony.

I don't think you fully understand what changes he made.
WASHINGTON — U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland made a significant change to his testimony to House impeachment investigators this week: He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

Sondland's latest testimony — stated in a three-page declaration to the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump — represents an update to the testimony he gave in October and contains significant new details. That includes a fuller accounting of the role he played in personally telling the Ukrainians they needed to cooperate with the demands of Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, if they wanted the aid money.

The timeline of events Sondland first outlined in his opening statement in October largely absolved him of any wrongdoing or of having any advance knowledge of a scheme to use U.S. foreign policy to promote Trump’s political interests.

Sondland changes testimony, acknowledges delivering quid pro quo message to Ukraine
 
How about we let Volker speak for himself, eh?

 
So...you have no quotes.

If somebody is too willfully ignorant to watch testimony or read transcripts, that's their problem. Nobody has any duty to do your work for you. If you want to lie about things, you have to educate yourself as to the nature of the things you intend to lie about.

Besides, I know how it goes with you (and the rest): you just want me to waste time digging up something you could easily find so that you can possibly Annoy-A-Librul by saying something like.....



You are dismissed.

Uhuh.

And exactly how many people on DP are there to whom it matters that you would say such a thing? The software that puts up your post when you hit "submit reply" doesn't count.

:lol:




But you tried. Here's a ruble for the effort....

/tosses ruble in nearby sewer drain






How about we let Volker speak for himself, eh?
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Lemme guess: not only is that only 1 minute 44 seconds long (the tiniest fraction of his total testimony), it's from the wrong hearing? Not that the latter thing matters. Mycroft posting a 1:44 video = Mycroft borrowing someone else's cherrypicking.
 
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Collusion. Quid pro quo. Bribery. I thought we were up to extortion by now. Bear in mind, we have to get through the whole federal code. Gonna have to pick up the pace. Here's a thought - why not list everything, and just cross out the ones you don't like?
 
I have to be honest, I am really on the fence on what Volker did and did not do with his testimony today.

It is going to come down to what really happened between Volker and Sondland in those conversations about a requested Biden Investigation and anything related to aid. I suppose you could argue it was mild in request, but others have already argued this supports the charge of bribery or coercion.

I need to go look at today's exchange again but an argument could be made that some of the 'background channels' we all about a link between things Trump and Republicans claim was never there.

It might have been, all along.
 
So...you have no quotes.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

Grow up or go post elsewhere. You cant defend this and you know it.
 
WASHINGTON — U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland made a significant change to his testimony to House impeachment investigators this week: He said he now remembers telling a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Ukraine would not receive U.S. military assistance until it committed to investigating the 2016 election and former Vice President Joe Biden.

Sondland's latest testimony — stated in a three-page declaration to the House committees leading the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump — represents an update to the testimony he gave in October and contains significant new details. That includes a fuller accounting of the role he played in personally telling the Ukrainians they needed to cooperate with the demands of Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, if they wanted the aid money.

The timeline of events Sondland first outlined in his opening statement in October largely absolved him of any wrongdoing or of having any advance knowledge of a scheme to use U.S. foreign policy to promote Trump’s political interests.

Sondland changes testimony, acknowledges delivering quid pro quo message to Ukraine

I asked for quotes of Volker's previous and amended testimonies. You have provided neither.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
Hes pretty clearly indicated he was incorrect in his previous statements. The bribe exists.

Trump bribed zelensky. The fact it's a benefit for the president personally is established.

As usual trump is his own worst enemy.

The rnc's already running ads about burisma and biden.

Hot damn this is insane.

Funny how they keep changing their story, to keep pace with the narrative. Huh? :lamo
 

Wonder if Sondland will flip again? Dude already had a moment of changed testimony due to sudden memory gain. Let's see what new memories flood into his brain last minute.

Either he tells the truth or he commits perjury. There are career decorated officials testifying that trumps bribery attempt is real. Right now volker is being squeezed.
 
Collusion. Quid pro quo. Bribery. I thought we were up to extortion by now. Bear in mind, we have to get through the whole federal code. Gonna have to pick up the pace. Here's a thought - why not list everything, and just cross out the ones you don't like?

They ditched extortion last week and went with bribery.
 
Pretty much all anyone needs to know - though they should, to be better, know as much as possible - is that the only defense left to Trumpists is claims of conspiracy too stupid for Alex Jones, which rely on attacking the character of witnesses.

What's the most telling thing? Not one of these Trumpists has ever posted here attacking the character of a witness before it became public knowledge that they were a witness.

They only attack the character of the witness the moment the witness provides evidence of something bad for Trump. They then all make the exact same attack.




See also: complaints about the FISA process. One person I had a back-and-forth with a year or two ago was apparently the only person to complain about FISA before the Carter Page thing broke, and that was in just the one post. None of you cared about this when you were being told it that these FISA warrants were aimed at terrorists. It was only when something had to do with Trump that FISA courts became evil.

Same for the alleged concerns about the criminal process (nevermind that it has nothing to do with stuff like impeachment, which is a purely political process with no appeal). There should be legions threads of Trump supporters raging about how poor people and especially minorities are regularly screwed by individuals (police, prosecutors, judges) and the procedural rules (drafted by legislatures and/or implemented by courts). It's only when something like news of a whistleblower comes up that they discover the rule against hearsay (but not its million exceptions), and of course, that rule has no application here but at least they are concerned. Or something. Not anywhere else though.

The protests are only ever made when the defendant is one of their own, most especially Trump. And if someone they defended in the past who was near Trump stops protecting Trump? They whip out their conspiracy theories again.
 
~snipped the whining and crying~

Lemme guess: not only is that only 1 minute 44 seconds long (the tiniest fraction of his total testimony), it's from the wrong hearing? Not that the latter thing matters. Mycroft posting a 1:44 video = Mycroft borrowing someone else's cherrypicking.

That video is from today's open committee hearing.
 
I asked for quotes of Volker's previous and amended testimonies. You have provided neither.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
you quoted a post involving the changing testimony of BOTH, now you have BOTH.


What else do you need?
 
I am no longer calling this a quid pro quo because apparently trump and his followers may not understand what that means. I will call it what it really is, bribery, so Trump and all of his followers can understand. And now Voelker like Sondland befor him is changing his testimony and now saying that it was a military money for the investigation of the Biden's. I wonder how Sondland's testimony will now change as each person who testifies brings Voelker and Sondland closer to perjury charges if they continue to lie to protect Trump.

It should have been called bribery or extortion from the get-go. American eyes glaze over once a Latin term is introduced.
 
Collusion. Quid pro quo. Bribery. I thought we were up to extortion by now.

It's pretty much all three. Is that really all you've got? An argument that the Democrats have to correctly identify the exact accusation that will be proved before they investigate that accusation, and if they investigate only to find out that a different but similar accusation is proved, they have to go sit on a tack?

:lamo





And tell me you don't actually believe that the way investigations into corrupt or criminal activity have got to guess the exact charge that will be proved before they complete the investigation. If things worked that way few people would go to jail. It'd be literally as stupid as....

...."Gee, we were investigating whether Bob murdered Joe. But it turned out that Joe attacked Bob with fists and Joe shot him without necessarily having to, so we'd want to charge manslaughter. But we told ourselves we were investigating murder, so, Joe is innocent and it's all a witch hunt. Naughty us police!"




Bear in mind, we have to get through the whole federal code.

Well, that's a retarded lie. If the founders intended impeachment to only be over things in the federal code, they'd have said so. At the time of the founding "high crimes and misdemeanors" meant corrupt acts in the attaining or exercise of office.

And, see, the founders aren't as stupid as you think they were or as stupid as you think everyone else is. They knew that when they did not give any right of appeal to SCOTUS, for example, to a president convicted on articles of impeachment, the practical effect - the effect on reality as it is - was that a president could be impeached and removed for ANYTHING. For example, if the GOP had 70% in the house and 70% of the senate, they could have successfully removed him on the basis of wearing mom jeans. And he would be removed.

And not being as stupid as you need them and everyone else to be, the founders actually landed on the right note: impeachment is a purely political process, and if voters don't like impeachment, there is a political remedy. Namely, vote out the impeachers.

See? Simple.






Stop these stupid goal-post shifting lies, all of you. You know you're being dishonest so just stop. If you want to say that freezing aid, having admin staff communicate explicitly to Ukraine that Biden/Bursima investigation must be renewed or else not even a meeting, that Trump demanding that very same favor from Zelensky during a call is A-OK, then make that argument.

Make the argument about why it's OK to use official stuff like that to get a personal political favor, one having nothing to do with the country's business. Make it. Don't hide behind these cowardly, stupid, and bitingly dishonest games.





Or destroy Democracy so that you can tell yourself you owned a lib.

:shrug:
 
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