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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So...you have no quotes.

    You are dismissed. (see my sig)
    Oh, I dont give a damn about your sig.
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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    ~snipped the whining and crying~

    Lemme guess: not only is that only 1 minute 44 seconds long (the tiniest fraction of his total testimony), it's from the wrong hearing? Not that the latter thing matters. Mycroft posting a 1:44 video = Mycroft borrowing someone else's cherrypicking.
    That video is from today's open committee hearing.
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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I asked for quotes of Volker's previous and amended testimonies. You have provided neither.

    You are dismissed. (see my sig)
    you quoted a post involving the changing testimony of BOTH, now you have BOTH.


    What else do you need?
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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I am no longer calling this a quid pro quo because apparently trump and his followers may not understand what that means. I will call it what it really is, bribery, so Trump and all of his followers can understand. And now Voelker like Sondland befor him is changing his testimony and now saying that it was a military money for the investigation of the Biden's. I wonder how Sondland's testimony will now change as each person who testifies brings Voelker and Sondland closer to perjury charges if they continue to lie to protect Trump.
    It should have been called bribery or extortion from the get-go. American eyes glaze over once a Latin term is introduced.
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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Collusion. Quid pro quo. Bribery. I thought we were up to extortion by now.
    It's pretty much all three. Is that really all you've got? An argument that the Democrats have to correctly identify the exact accusation that will be proved before they investigate that accusation, and if they investigate only to find out that a different but similar accusation is proved, they have to go sit on a tack?







    And tell me you don't actually believe that the way investigations into corrupt or criminal activity have got to guess the exact charge that will be proved before they complete the investigation. If things worked that way few people would go to jail. It'd be literally as stupid as....

    ...."Gee, we were investigating whether Bob murdered Joe. But it turned out that Joe attacked Bob with fists and Joe shot him without necessarily having to, so we'd want to charge manslaughter. But we told ourselves we were investigating murder, so, Joe is innocent and it's all a witch hunt. Naughty us police!"




    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Bear in mind, we have to get through the whole federal code.
    Well, that's a retarded lie. If the founders intended impeachment to only be over things in the federal code, they'd have said so. At the time of the founding "high crimes and misdemeanors" meant corrupt acts in the attaining or exercise of office.

    And, see, the founders aren't as stupid as you think they were or as stupid as you think everyone else is. They knew that when they did not give any right of appeal to SCOTUS, for example, to a president convicted on articles of impeachment, the practical effect - the effect on reality as it is - was that a president could be impeached and removed for ANYTHING. For example, if the GOP had 70% in the house and 70% of the senate, they could have successfully removed him on the basis of wearing mom jeans. And he would be removed.

    And not being as stupid as you need them and everyone else to be, the founders actually landed on the right note: impeachment is a purely political process, and if voters don't like impeachment, there is a political remedy. Namely, vote out the impeachers.

    See? Simple.






    Stop these stupid goal-post shifting lies, all of you. You know you're being dishonest so just stop. If you want to say that freezing aid, having admin staff communicate explicitly to Ukraine that Biden/Bursima investigation must be renewed or else not even a meeting, that Trump demanding that very same favor from Zelensky during a call is A-OK, then make that argument.

    Make the argument about why it's OK to use official stuff like that to get a personal political favor, one having nothing to do with the country's business. Make it. Don't hide behind these cowardly, stupid, and bitingly dishonest games.





    Or destroy Democracy so that you can tell yourself you owned a lib.

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    Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though [. . . ]

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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That video is from today's open committee hearing.
    It's fun to watch you run from the fact that house Republicans are letting a guy who is suing a fictional cow give their opening statement at today's impeachment hearings. For a second time, no less.

    Please cling to his every word. Please?

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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    If somebody is too willfully ignorant to watch testimony or read transcripts, that's their problem. Nobody has any duty to do your work for you. If you want to lie about things, you have to educate yourself as to the nature of the things you intend to lie about.

    Besides, I know how it goes with you (and the rest): you just want me to waste time digging up something you could easily find so that you can possibly Annoy-A-Librul by saying something like.....





    Uhuh.

    And exactly how many people on DP are there to whom it matters that you would say such a thing? The software that puts up your post when you hit "submit reply" doesn't count.






    But you tried. Here's a ruble for the effort....

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    Lemme guess: not only is that only 1 minute 44 seconds long (the tiniest fraction of his total testimony), it's from the wrong hearing? Not that the latter thing matters. Mycroft posting a 1:44 video = Mycroft borrowing someone else's cherrypicking.
    Mycroft seems to use the messsage, You're dismissed, a lot

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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Mycroft seems to use the messsage, You're dismissed, a lot
    projection....because....he ends up leaving.
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    There is nothing wrong with either racism or sexism.
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    In fact, I speculate had Antifa not been there, there would have been zero deaths at that (Charlottesville) event.

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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That video is from today's open committee hearing.
    The hearing was only 1 minute and 44 seconds long? Reread what you responded to. You oh-so-honestly ignored everything but 5 words, though admittedly one was a contraction.

    Zelensky: [. . .] We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

    Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though [. . . ]

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    Re: Voelker has changed his testimony, says there was money for investigation of Bidens

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Mycroft seems to use the messsage, You're dismissed, a lot
    You know how he is. "You're dismissed" is basically his version of Dr. Evil's reaction to being told that 1 million isn't all that much in the future.
    Zelensky: [. . .] We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

    Trump: I would like you to do us a favor though [. . . ]

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