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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    Well the big problem here is the idea of investigating Biden wasn't based on any good leads; just unsubstantiated "connect the dots".
    That is a problem, why? Sounds like a standard investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irwin Corey View Post
    "I" was saying that you were wrong in assessing my comment: "Except that Ukraine had already been vetted with regard to corruption before the aid was approved and certainly before Don Vito tRump withheld it." as incorrect and no, wrong again, childish is not the same is as sophomoric; it is several levels down from sophomoric.
    We, actually YOU, were talking rules not points of order: "They are not even following the rules they laid down." -Jay59.
    The issue with the Bidens has been debunked, universally, as a non issue as evidenced by the lack of concern or interest by the Attorney General.
    No you are trying to conflate the two, unrelated, issues or obfuscate tRumps culpability in Ukraine. Which is moronically disingenuous.
    You keep saying debunked. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Answered to your satisfaction is not sufficient. Answered to the satisfaction of the appropriate authority is sufficient, Thus, Trump/Russia collusion has been debunked. The several issues of the Bidens have not.

    Other than that, you conceded a couple of points, for which I thank you. Better luck next time.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    That is a problem, why? Sounds like a standard investigation.

    Because there will typically be a solid lead to start an investigation versus "hey, I think that guy did some thing". I have no issue with Biden being investigated, but it should be because of some type of evidence that warrants it.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    That is a problem, why? Sounds like a standard investigation.


    You keep saying debunked. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Answered to your satisfaction is not sufficient. Answered to the satisfaction of the appropriate authority is sufficient, Thus, Trump/Russia collusion has been debunked. The several issues of the Bidens have not.

    Other than that, you conceded a couple of points, for which I thank you. Better luck next time.
    You can always tell a looser by their unwarranted self proclaimed victory; like you have just done. Anyone, and everyone, of authority INCLUDING Volker and Morrison agree that President Biden was promoting the United States best intrests and established foreign policy and that by forcing the corrupt prosecutor to resign put the company his son worked for in greater, not less, jeopardy.

    Better luck next time.
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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    Because there will typically be a solid lead to start an investigation versus "hey, I think that guy did some thing". I have no issue with Biden being investigated, but it should be because of some type of evidence that warrants it.
    You just described the entire impeachment inquiry. Since you support that, what is the problem?

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Logical1 View Post
    Today Elise Stefanic got Axex Vindman to admit it is US law to investigate corruption in a country BEFORE aid is given. Second the US signed a treaty with 6 other countries including Ukraine to investigate corruption.

    As I see it this totally blows all to hell Schiff's and the democrats "inquiry". President Trump was just following the law.

    Time for Pelosi and Schiff to pack up their clown show and move on. Maybe just maybe they could get on with the business they were sent to Washington to do for a change.

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    It is INVESTIGATED, particularly where military aid is concerned. The congressional committees responsible must conduct an assessment of the the risks involved in releasing funds and DOD provides an assessment and a sign off to those congressional committees as well. So that base is covered before the funding ever goes to the WH for final sign off.

    If Trump was really worried about the risk, then he should have looped back through the Congress and DOD to try to flesh out his concerns, NOT SET LOOSE THE RUDY GANG including nimrod Sondland and not rely on this supposed assessment made during the brief period of Zalinsky's inauguration.

    So, lets get this straight DonDon. You avoid all the material that would have been developed in order to approve the military aid package coming out of Congress including the DOD sign off and instead presto-chango, decide that "its all good now" in Ukraine based on the US Inauguration Party "assessment". Ah-huh!

    DonDon released the aid to Ukraine because Congress was closing in on him and WB complaint had been released. DonDon lost his nerve. Had he held onto his nerve his plot would have paid off as unbeknown to him Zalinsky was 48 hours away from making the public announcement of investigations Trump had wanted. Zalinsky canceled the interview he had scheduled with CNN as soon as the aid package was released.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    You just described the entire impeachment inquiry. Since you support that, what is the problem?
    So who has filed a complaint about Biden's actions in Ukraine or China?

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    So who has filed a complaint about Biden's actions in Ukraine or China?
    None that I know of. The old expression is follow the money, of which there is a lot.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Logical1 View Post
    Today Elise Stefanic got Axex Vindman to admit it is US law to investigate corruption in a country BEFORE aid is given. Second the US signed a treaty with 6 other countries including Ukraine to investigate corruption.

    As I see it this totally blows all to hell Schiff's and the democrats "inquiry". President Trump was just following the law.
    Jesus Christ dude. Do you seriously know less than nothing about this entire investigation. What you just quoted proves Biden innocent and Trump guilty. Biden was the one requiring corruption to be investigated within Ukraine before he gave them aid.

    Trump wasn't trying to get corruption in Ukraine investigated. He was hoping to force Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden in order ot make him look bad. By the admission of the Ukrainians themselves nothing that Joe or Hunter Biden ever did violated Ukrainian law.

    What Trump and Rudi were hoping is that something Joe Biden did violated U.S. Law, but in trying to obtain evidence that Joe Biden broke U.S. Law they ended up breaking the exact same U.S. Law that they accused Biden of breaking. And in the end it turns out Joe Biden did NOT break U.S. Law at all.

    So to recap for you....


    Joe Biden did the exact thing you're claiming Trump did, which was perfectly legal and a natural part of his job. Trump did the exact thing he claimed Biden did, which is an impeachable crime.
    Obstruction of Justice also applies to overt coercion of court or government officials via the means of threats or actual physical harm and also applying to deliberate sedition against a court official to undermine the appearance of legitimate authority.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay59 View Post
    None that I know of. The old expression is follow the money, of which there is a lot.
    The same applies to the current president and his business interests in various parts of the world. Based on that logic, one wouldn't be wrong to question how much consideration Trump gives to his financial interests in his dealings with nations to which he has business ties.

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    Re: Two things have blown the democrats "inquiry" all to hell

    Quote Originally Posted by ElChupacabra View Post
    The same applies to the current president and his business interests in various parts of the world. Based on that logic, one wouldn't be wrong to question how much consideration Trump gives to his financial interests in his dealings with nations to which he has business ties.
    Based on logic. That's funny.

    Mr Trump and then President Trump were and are under constant investigation. Remember 1,500,000 documents surrendered. Based on logic Joe Biden should be under intense investigation. So should Hunter Biden.

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