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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal View Post
    As I've said numerous times, Sanders has great proposals, but beyond being clueless about how to sell them, his cranky demeanor ensures that he'll never be president.
    Absurd. There's a reason he's beaten every Republican in every poll ever taken since the 2016 campaign that I'm aware of. You want to claim his demeanor means he can't win, when trump won? Think about it.

    If you believe Obama was a corporatist then I assume you think that the last six Democratic presidents were equal or worse than him? Have you voted for corporatist Democrats against the Repubs before, or never on principle?
    All of them since Carter have been. I always vote for a corporatist Democrat over any Republican because they're far better, but I always support a progressive over a corporatist in the primary.

    Just for example, who was more of a racist running in the 1964 Democratic primary, Johnson or Wallace? Let's say Wallace was less of a corporatist than Johnson, I would still have voted for Johnson. While you might base your decision solely on who's more of a corporatist, other voters base their decision on other factors.
    The issue of plutocracy and corporatism is the country's #1 issue since Reagan. Before that, other issues carried more weight, and I'd agree with you on picking Johnson. Now, plutocracy is the only issue that determines every other issue, and is destroying democracy itself - largely already done, and worsening, to where we won't be able to vote for change.

    I applaud you working to pass great legislation, I just hope your idealism won't stop you and other Sanders' supporters from voting for whoever the Democrats choose to run against Numnuts...
    Like Bernie, I voted for Hillary in 2016 in the general and urged other Bernie supporters to do so, which the large majority did, and I'll vote for the Democrat in 2020 - hoping it's Bernie. It's the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party who lack loyalty to the party as the better choice when the nominee isn't who they want. 25% of Hillary supporters didn't vote for Obama.

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    This was soooo predictable.
    There is HUGE discrimination against Bernie and the people of the country by the plutocratic interests, including mainstream media. Remember one of the top networks, NBC IIRC, in 2016 with, what was it, 70 hours coverage of trump and 2 minutes of Bernie?

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    There is HUGE discrimination against Bernie and the people of the country by the plutocratic interests, including mainstream media. Remember one of the top networks, NBC IIRC, in 2016 with, what was it, 70 hours coverage of trump and 2 minutes of Bernie?
    Not sure Bernie or any politician would have wanted the NBC coverage of Trump. And your two minutes has to be way off base. maybe two or 22 hours?

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    And your two minutes has to be way off base. maybe two or 22 hours?
    Here's an earlier 2015 story on it when the ABC total was Bernie 20 seconds, trump 71 minutes (NBC was 2.9 minutes for 2015): ABC World News Tonight Has Devoted Less Than One Minute To Bernie Sanders' Campaign This Year | Media Matters for America
    Last edited by Craig234; 11-20-19 at 02:17 AM.

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    MSNBC Is the Most Influential Network Among Liberals—And It’s Ignoring Bernie Sanders



    Having gone through the article and analysis, this is largely a confirmation of what most people paying attention and being honest with themselves have already known, not unlike the 2016 e-mail leaks confirmed ongoing suspicion of DNC bias and to a lesser extent media collusion with the DNC; as then, it is disappointing, but not at all surprising.
    Right because all the fuss about the "bias" in 2016 worked out so well that why not do it all over again? Give me a "F."n break and stop the whining. Either Bernie gets the votes or he doesn't. It really is not about who replaces Trump it is replacing Trump that matters. Let's not have Bernie supporters putting Trump over the top again OK?
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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
    Not sure Bernie or any politician would have wanted the NBC coverage of Trump.
    Have you ever heard the saying, 'there's no such thing as bad publicity' - or the old saying of a celebrity saying they don't care what's written about them, just spell their name right? "Name recognition" is a leading indicator and a near-requirement for candidates. So trump was thrilled with 'bad coverage', and it clearly helped him a lot.

    trump is the master of that 'publicity' approach. He used to call magazines pretending to be other people and talk about himself to get him name in coverage. The author he later selected to wrote 'art of the deal' for him, had TRASHED him previously and trump loved it because he was on the cover - here's how that author tells the story:

    In 1985, he’d published a piece in New York called “A Different Kind of Donald Trump Story,” which portrayed him not as a brilliant mogul but as a ham-fisted thug who had unsuccessfully tried to evict rent-controlled and rent-stabilized tenants from a building that he had bought on Central Park South. Trump’s efforts—which included a plan to house homeless people in the building in order to harass the tenants—became what Schwartz described as a “fugue of failure, a farce of fumbling and bumbling.” An accompanying cover portrait depicted Trump as unshaven, unpleasant-looking, and shiny with sweat. Yet, to Schwartz’s amazement, Trump loved the article. He hung the cover on a wall of his office, and sent a fan note to Schwartz, on his gold-embossed personal stationery. “Everybody seems to have read it,” Trump enthused in the note, which Schwartz has kept.

    “I was shocked,” Schwartz told me. “Trump didn’t fit any model of human being I’d ever met. He was obsessed with publicity, and he didn’t care what you wrote.” He went on, “Trump only takes two positions. Either you’re a scummy loser, liar, whatever, or you’re the greatest. I became the greatest. He wanted to be seen as a tough guy, and he loved being on the cover.”

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right because all the fuss about the "bias" in 2016 worked out so well so why not do it all over again. Give me a "F."n break and stop the whining. Either Bernie gets the votes or he doesn't.
    Again, you confuse analysis and observation with whining (and speaking of whining, there was certainly quite a lot of that among Hillary supporters vis a vis Russia and progressives; either she gets the votes or doesn't right?), presumably because it's politically expedient for you to do so. As in 2016, there are powerful people and institutions who clearly have favourites that aren't Sanders, and who work against him. Why is it problematic to identify who sides with who?
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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Unless you Bernie boys stop relying on National Polling for an election that is never run based on the General Election results, you are just not going to have any credibility at all. As long as Presidential Elections are consummated through the Electoral College, national polling is meaningless.

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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by Surrealistik View Post
    Again, you confuse analysis and observation with whining (and speaking of whining, there was certainly quite a lot of that among Hillary supporters vis a vis Russia and progressives; either she gets the votes or doesn't right?), presumably because it's politically expedient for you to do so. As in 2016, there are powerful people and institutions who clearly have favourites that aren't Sanders, and who work against him. Why is it problematic to identify who sides with who?
    So you are a "deep Stater" now? No wonder so many of you went for Trump. The only "powerful people" in the primaries are the voters and a million more of them voted for Hillary over Bernie in 2016. whatever happens in 2020 will also depend on those voters. You are setting yourself up for another disappointment and another excuse not to vote Democratic. Cut it out.
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    Re: MSNBC Ignoring Sanders? A Media Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Unless you Bernie boys stop relying on National Polling for an election that is never run based on the General Election results, you are just not going to have any credibility at all. As long as Presidential Elections are consummated through the Electoral College, national polling is meaningless.
    I don't see why you think we have some wholesale and exclusive reliance on national polling regarding the general election.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you are a "deep Stater" now? No wonder so many of you went for Trump. The only "powerful people" in the primaries are the voters and a million more of them voted for Hillary over Bernie in 2016. whatever happens in 2020 will also depend on those voters. You are setting yourself up for another disappointment and another excuse not to vote Democratic. Cut it out.
    I'm not sure how you're going from sharing an analysis that shows clear bias to accusations of belief in a deep state conspiracy. Yes, there are individuals and institutions with biases. Yes, in some cases these individuals and institutions have disproportionate sway and influence on the electoral process. These are simply facts, and there is nothing conspiratorial about it whatsoever. I'm guessing you thought the DNC didn't play favourites before the 2016 email leaks?

    For me, and probably the vast majority of other Bernie supporters, this analysis merely confirms what we've always suspected, and generally known concerning MSNBC's obvious bias against Bernie, and it changes exactly nothing.
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