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Mashmont said:
The Constitution says nothing about separation of church and state. There have been no rulings which have precluded Catholic moral principles from being taught in the public schools. Things like no sex outside marriage, respecting women by marrying them....they are wise principles to live by for anyone, Catholic or otherwise. I personally would like to see the Rosary and other great tools of prayer in the schools and if bad ruling have gotten in the way of that, they need to be reversed.
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Nonsense; your constitution and bill of rights guarantees separation of church and state. It prevents the establishment of a national church. You should read it sometime. You cannot force your religious beliefs on anyone, so I'd forget your stupid rosary idea. Nobody cares.

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snakestretcher said:
Nonsense; your constitution and bill of rights guarantees separation of church and state. It prevents the establishment of a national church. You should read it sometime.

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Find me the words 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution, and then when you don't find them, will you have the decency to come back and apologize?
 
snakestretcher said:
Nonsense; your constitution and bill of rights guarantees separation of church and state. It prevents the establishment of a national church. You should read it sometime. You cannot force your religious beliefs on anyone, so I'd forget your stupid rosary idea. Nobody cares.

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If they started teaching islam in school these guys would start screaming
 
CLAX1911 said:
Pacifist societies aren't peaceful they are conquered. Gun-free is pipe dream Utopia. What you really mean is no rights for the people.

Seems like your version of peace is a hellscape of human Rights abuses and subjugation.
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No, I mean gun-free. Compare your deaths from gunshot to ours in Britain, Australia and any other nation which doesn't like seeing children slaughtered in schools, and get back to me. Nobody in Britain is "subjugated" nor is it a "hellscape of human rights abuses". But you get 10/10 for overblown hyperbole and nonsensical posting. Congratulations.
 
Mashmont said:
I fully agree with you that irreligion is the key reason people resort to criminal behavior. That's one argument, in my opinion, for having Catholic moral education in every public school, especially the ghetto public schools, from kindergarten on.
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That (bolded above) would violate the Constitution, since it would clearly be seen as the establishment of the Catholic religion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) would violate the Constitution, since it would clearly be seen as the establishment of the Catholic religion.
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No it wouldn't. You would have Catholic principles, but you wouldn't call them that. Instead, you would call them good principles. It's kinda like the schools do now in promoting godless principles like disseminating birth control. But those principles are anything but good.
 
vegas giants said:
If they started teaching islam in school these guys would start screaming
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I'm actually ok with religion being taught as a component of general history or classes in philosophy, but emphatically not as 'truth'-especially in schools where most kids aren't yet mature enough to make rational decisions about what they choose to believe (or otherwise), as opposed to what their parents force them to believe. To me that's brainwashing tantamount to child abuse.
 
Mashmont said:
No it wouldn't. You would have Catholic principles, but you wouldn't call them that. Instead, you would call them good principles. It's kinda like the schools do now in promoting godless principles like disseminating birth control. But those principles are anything but good.
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I hope they dont teach the catholic raping little boys principles
 
snakestretcher said:
No, I mean gun-free. Compare your deaths from gunshot to ours in Britain, Australia
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Those places aren't gun free.
and any other nation which doesn't like seeing children slaughtered in schools, and get back to me. Nobody in Britain is "subjugated" nor is it a "hellscape of human rights abuses".
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It's getting there. And yes you are subjugated. Your government tramples all over your right to own fire arms. And also people get fined in the UK For making jokes.
But you get 10/10 for overblown hyperbole and nonsensical posting. Congratulations.
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You are the frog in the pot, the heat is being turned up on you.

Enjoy being a subject.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Those places aren't gun free.
It's getting there. And yes you are subjugated. Your government tramples all over your right to own fire arms. And also people get fined in the UK For making jokes. You are the frog in the pot, the heat is being turned up on you.

Enjoy being a subject.
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The US has no standing to lecture any other country on liberty at the moment. Not when we have more people in jail per capita than any other country, with the possible exception of North Korea. If owning all these guns don't prevent a police state, what's the point?
 
Digger said:
The US has no standing to lecture any other country on liberty at the moment.
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I'm not the United States I'm Clax.

Not when we have more people in jail per capita than any other country, with the possible exception of North Korea. If owning all these guns don't prevent a police state, what's the point?
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People in jail here are in jail for crimes, not speech or disapproval of the government.

It's not a police state.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Second Amendment
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What about it? I'm not against you enthusiastically shooting each other in the tens of thousands every year while I await the next entirely predictable mass-school shooting, but I do wonder at the relevance of the 2A in the 21st century. We, in Britain, grew up. You'll catch up eventually, once you get sick of shooting each other and common sense prevails.
 
snakestretcher said:
I'm actually ok with religion being taught as a component of general history or classes in philosophy, but emphatically not as 'truth'-especially in schools where most kids aren't yet mature enough to make rational decisions about what they choose to believe (or otherwise), as opposed to what their parents force them to believe. To me that's brainwashing tantamount to child abuse.
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And teaching godless principles is not brainwashing or child abuse?
 
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