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Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion

Then they shouldn't have to pay taxes for public schools. You can't have it both ways. If you to still want to force them to pay for public schools, then their views regarding education are no less valid then yours are.

Food is more important than education, but you trust the market and the profit motive to keep your refrigerator (also supplied by the market) filled.

Paying into society is a requirement via taxation, regardles if you like it, or not.

Christians are not exempt from that.

They can have their views - but they are not entitled to use public platforms like school to spread them.

Keep that **** out of school.
 
The bill doesn't say that.

This article is journalistic malpractice.

Agreed, and proven.

Here is a link to the bill. The relevant section is pasted below. It can be found by following the link in the OP.

Why do liberals spend NO TIME looking into the facts?

Are they really that gullible and well trained that they now swallow everything fed to them without complaint or question?

https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-summary?id=GA133-HB-164

03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.​
 
Agreed, and proven.

Here is a link to the bill. The relevant section is pasted below. It can be found by following the link in the OP.

Why do liberals spend NO TIME looking into the facts?

Are they really that gullible and well trained that they now swallow everything fed to them without complaint or question?

House Bill 164 | The Ohio Legislature

03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.​

You did read the last line that says a student may be penalized for a student's work based on religious content. That sentence basically is the opposite of the lines above. So does a teacher penalize or not penalize a student's work if they use religion as a basis for their work? Hard to tell the way the above law is written.
 
You did read the last line that says a student may be penalized for a student's work based on religious content. That sentence basically is the opposite of the lines above. So does a teacher penalize or not penalize a student's work if they use religion as a basis for their work? Hard to tell the way the above law is written.

The last line does not say what you wrote. Perhaps in your zeal you mistyped the actual words.

Here is the last line, including the word you left out: and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

What this Ohio legislation has apparently established is that if the student includes a religious reference, they may not be penalized for doing so.

It says nothing about getting something wrong.
 
Paying into society is a requirement via taxation, regardles if you like it, or not.

Christians are not exempt from that.

They can have their views - but they are not entitled to use public platforms like school to spread them.

Keep that **** out of school.

Right, but you can see the problem here. You want their money, but you don't want them to have any control over what their kids are taught. All this does is build resentment and acrimony.

This is yet another reason why capitalism is superior to socialism for producing private goods (like education). Capitalism allows for different preferences, socialism does not.
 
Right, but you can see the problem here. You want their money, but you don't want them to have any control over what their kids are taught. All this does is build resentment and acrimony.

This is yet another reason why capitalism is superior to socialism for producing private goods (like education). Capitalism allows for different preferences, socialism does not.

The religious owe a debt to society, period, and they can either:

take advantage of the benefits that debt pays for

OR

pay extra to remove their kids from a system that actually educates them, and instead, teach their kids a sky genie invented the world

One of those (the first) produces citizens who are beneficial to society as a whole. The second option produces uneducated morons who believe sky genies are real and the earth is 6,000 years old.

Arguing against public school is an insanely unpopular position.

Please, do go on.

LOL.
 
Paying into society is a requirement via taxation, regardles if you like it, or not.

Christians are not exempt from that.

They can have their views - but they are not entitled to use public platforms like schools to spread them.

Keep that **** out of school.

Public schools are for learning and teaching facts. If a person wants their child brainwashed by feeding them a diet of religious mythology then send them to as religious school on their own dime.
The government is not to be supporting religious belief over non-belief and they are not to be showing favoritism to one religion over the other. That is the core idea of the separation of church and state.
 
The last line does not say what you wrote. Perhaps in your zeal you mistyped the actual words.

Here is the last line, including the word you left out: and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

What this Ohio legislation has apparently established is that if the student includes a religious reference, they may not be penalized for doing so.

It says nothing about getting something wrong.

Students were always permitted to editorialize in support of their religious beliefs, as long as they also had the scientifically correct answer. That is not new.
 
Public schools are for learning and teaching facts. If a person wants their child brainwashed by feeding them a diet of religious mythology then send them to as religious school on their own dime.
The government is not to be supporting religious belief over non-belief and they are not to be showing favoritism to one religion over the other. That is the core idea of the separation of church and state.

Precisely, which is why the notion society owes these folks public dollars for their mythological education is completely insane. Advocating "capitalism" as the "solvent" is absolutely assinine. The private market is for profit; it's not for the best outcomes. Hence why it cannot be applied to all things.
 
Precisely, which is why the notion society owes these folks public dollars for their mythological education is completely insane. Advocating "capitalism" as the "solvent" is absolutely assinine. The private market is for profit; it's not for the best outcomes. Hence why it cannot be applied to all things.

John Kasch pushed charter and internet schools in Ohio which were an educational disaster but were very profitable to the millionaires that paid for his election and reelection campaigns.

A 2014 study by Stanford University’s Center for Research on Education Outcomes paid for by the conservative Thomas B. Fordham Institute found students in the state’s charter schools perform worse on average in reading and math than their peers in traditional public schools. An exception was Cleveland, where charter school students did better.

Critics also point to the fact that Ohio is one of 17 states and the District of Columbia that offer full-time online charter schools, including some run by for-profit companies, and they note that the online schools have historically performed poorly. Nina Rees, president of the charter schools group, said in Ohio poor performance by many of the virtual charters is overshadowing good work by brick-and-mortar counterparts in communities including Cleveland and Columbus.

A big player among Ohio online charters is the Electronic Classroom of Tomorrow, which enrolled 14,000 students last year and was founded by longtime GOP booster William Lager. Another longtime Ohio charter school backer is David Brennan, founder of White Hat Management, who has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Kasich over the years. Innovation Ohio has estimated that since charter schools first opened in Ohio in the late ‘90s, $1.8 billion of the $7.3 billion the state has spent on the sector has gone to schools run by Lager and Brennan — or $1 out of every $4 spent.

Then, there’s the 11,000-student Ohio Virtual Academy, run by K12 Inc., that donated $100,000 in 2014 to the Republican Governors Association.
 
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC

May God have mercy on their souls....
 
John Kasch pushed charter and internet schools in Ohio which were an educational disaster but were very profitable to the millionaires that paid for his election and reelection campaigns.

Of course, and charter schools are a total unmitigated disaster, a cash grab for elitist ****bags.
 
Does Ohio Bill Let Students Give Wrong Answers Based on Religion?

"Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work."

Did you notice the rating? It says UNPROVEN. It didn't say it was wrong. This legislation is written intentionally vague and would allow that to happen. A student cannot now be penalized for discussing or exercising their religious beliefs in public school because that would be a violation of both free speech and free exercise rights.

BTW, What part of Ohio do you live in?
 
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Agreed, and proven.

Here is a link to the bill. The relevant section is pasted below. It can be found by following the link in the OP.

Why do liberals spend NO TIME looking into the facts?

Are they really that gullible and well trained that they now swallow everything fed to them without complaint or question?

House Bill 164 | The Ohio Legislature

03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.​

There's no excuse for that article. It doesn't even come close to meeting the bare minimum of sound journalistic standards. Someone who has no idea what they're doing read a bill, misunderstood it, took the worst possible, clearly-motivated interpretation, didn't do the slightest bit of checking with anyone to see if that interpretation holds any water, and just ran with it. Then it was approved for publication by some editor somewhere.

The state of journalism at every level is truly God-awful.

And of course tons of people read it and don't apply even the merest speck of critical thinking, just lapping it up because it's something they want to believe.

(And apparently they'll cling to that interpretation tooth and nail.)
 
Students were always permitted to editorialize in support of their religious beliefs, as long as they also had the scientifically correct answer. That is not new.

Have you read the legislation? I posted a link to it.
 
There's no excuse for that article. It doesn't even come close to meeting the bare minimum of sound journalistic standards. Someone who has no idea what they're doing read a bill, misunderstood it, took the worst possible, clearly-motivated interpretation, didn't do the slightest bit of checking with anyone to see if that interpretation holds any water, and just ran with it. Then it was approved for publication by some editor somewhere.

The state of journalism at every level is truly God-awful.

And of course tons of people read it and don't apply even the merest speck of critical thinking, just lapping it up because it's something they want to believe.

(And apparently they'll cling to that interpretation tooth and nail.)

And what you have described is how the MSM operates in this new competitive environment.

Look up marketing studies involving how people consume news.

The vast majority just read headlines. Like well over 80% of the people.

So the MSM, in partnership with the left, tells lies, 24/7/365, to a gullible and well threatened and trained audience. It's allow them to remain somewhat profitable and relevant.

It's sick.
 
Have you read the legislation? I posted a link to it.

I live in Ohio. It has been widely discussed. There seem to be only a few people who support it and many people, including Christians who are very opposed to it.

This is another attempt for the GOP to pander to the evangelicals ahead of the 2016 elections because the politicians are scared of the blowback of their support of Trump.
 
The last line does not say what you wrote. Perhaps in your zeal you mistyped the actual words.

Here is the last line, including the word you left out: and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.

What this Ohio legislation has apparently established is that if the student includes a religious reference, they may not be penalized for doing so.

It says nothing about getting something wrong.

So you admit that a teacher can not "penalize" a students work based on religious content of a student's work. I did leave out "reward" because that is not in question. The question is that if a student's work,i.e. answers are based on his religion, the teacher can not penalize him. Meaning, a student can not be penalized if he answers incorrectly as long as his answers are based on his religion. Is there any other way to interpret the law?
 
I live in Ohio. It has been widely discussed. There seem to be only a few people who support it and many people, including Christians who are very opposed to it.

This is another attempt for the GOP to pander to the evangelicals ahead of the 2016 elections because the politicians are scared of the blowback of their support of Trump.

I certainly appreciate that you're posting about an issue of immediate concern to you.

But I see no issue other than a push back against marginalization.
 
I live in Ohio. It has been widely discussed. There seem to be only a few people who support it and many people, including Christians who are very opposed to it.

This is another attempt for the GOP to pander to the evangelicals ahead of the 2016 elections because the politicians are scared of the blowback of their support of Trump.

I remember their extreme anti abortion bill too.. i called my rep and he was a bit baffled about it. third world country status yeehaw?
 
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC

Its columbus. Im not surprised in the least.
 
I remember their extreme anti-abortion bill too.. I called my rep and he was a bit baffled about it. third world country status yeehaw?

It will never survive judicial review. Alabama or Mississippi tried the same thing about 6 months ago and the federal judges tossed it out as soon as it was signed. The GOP is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to guarantee their vote in 2020 so they are passing this assinine legislation. The problem they don't understand is that the religious conservatives that embrace it are smaller than the number of people who are repulsed by it. Why would any business seek to relocate to Ohio when these are the sort of policies that the government supports. The educated people that a modern business needs will refuse to live in Ohio because we are quickly becoming the most northern suburb of Alabama or Tennessee.
The state was extremely gerrymandered by Kasich in 2011 and this is the idiocy that they come up with as policy. I hated Kasich because of his far right economic ideas but I'll give him credit that he was intelligent enough to refuse to sign this dominionist idiocy during his 8 years.
 
I certainly appreciate that you're posting about an issue of immediate concern to you.

But I see no issue other than a push back against marginalization.
Religious beliefs based on emotions aren't equal to empirical facts. They never were.

What possible marginalization are you referring to? The religious and secular rights of others are not dependant on the approval of illogical evangelical Christians in the US. To allow Christian conservatives the ability to reject facts in public school and still get equal credit as those who study is asinine. Ohio high school diplomas won't be worth the paper that they are printed on if this happens, and graduates will be rejected from the better colleges because of it.
 
I hope a student takes them court over saying 2+2=5 claiming their religion says it. That there are a lot of lawsuits like that.
 
Quote the language allowing students to "answer questions scientifically wrong?"

Up until about 40-50 years ago, it was scientific fact that dinosaurs vanished due to an ice age. Any student who answered they were killed due to a huge asteroid were "wrong," to scientifically correct.

Most progressive Democrats have no clue what the word "scientific" actually means. To them, it means whatever they believe therefore is scientific fact because someone told them to believe that it is.

I wonder if Bruce Jenner is 'scientifically' a woman, and my objection to that would be considered 'religious'.
 
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