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Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion

independentusa said:
Actually there is a part of the bill that says that students must answer questions correctly according to basic beliefs, but they can not be marked down if they answer with their religions beliefs. Kind of taking both sides at once. The bill is a mess with those who authored it trying to allow for "religious freedom" and yet make it so the SCOTUS won't overturn it. Kind of like wanting their cake and having it too. This is what happens any time you try to allow religion in the classroom except in religious schools.
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Nope.
 
Wayne Jr said:
No one's teaching religion. This is about the student expressing their religion.


Yes, you can, the 1st amendment protects the student's right to do exactly that.
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Well sure, but if the essay is just bad then it should get a bad grade. And if it relies upon incorrect data and false conclusions then it is bad.
 
Irredentist said:
Well sure, but if the essay is just bad then it should get a bad grade. And if it relies upon incorrect data and false conclusions then it is bad.
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Did you not read the bill? Students are not allowed to replace facts with their religion. OP said that and OP is very wrong. That's not what the bill says at all.
 
Obscurity said:
Keep RELIGION out of school. ****ing period.
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No, we should keep all personal beliefs outside of school. You don't get to believe in loony Leftist views like men are women and women are men, and insist that this outrageous, unproven, and unscientific belief should be freely enforced and spread just because it's not a 'religion'. It's still a belief based on personal choices and should not be taught to others as factual or moral.

Or do you only think we should ban beliefs from schools if it's a belief that you don't like?
 
Crusader13 said:
No, we should keep all personal beliefs outside of school. You don't get to believe in loony Leftist views like men are women and women are men, and insist that this outrageous, unproven, and unscientific belief should be freely enforced and spread just because it's not a 'religion'. It's still a belief based on personal choices and should not be taught to others as factual or moral.

Or do you only think we should ban beliefs from schools if it's a belief that you don't like?
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There are reams of medical evidence that support transgendered people. Trans people are 2% of thousand and they are sexual predators or any other such nonsense and there is nothing political about the fact that they exist and have always existed.

Answers to Your Questions About Transgender People, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age -- ScienceDaily

Transgender Fact Sheet | Religious Institute

Transgender |

Topics |

Christianity Today
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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What are they doing over there in Ohio? Is this what comes from living too far from an ocean, disorientation on a scale that simply turns to irrationality?
 
jnug said:
What are they doing over there in Ohio? Is this what comes from living too far from an ocean, disorientation on a scale that simply turns to irrationality?
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The GOP took over control of this state in 2004 and it has taken a sharp turn toward idiocy. We are quickly becoming North Alabama. There are pockets of rational intelligence but much of the state wants to turn the clock back 400+ years.

I keep waking up and hoping that the northern parts of the state have been annexed by Canada and that we are back in the rational world.

Mike DeWine looks like he needsd a nap and he is about ready to start drooling.
 
joko104 said:
Quote the language allowing students to "answer questions scientifically wrong?"

Up until about 40-50 years ago, it was scientific fact that dinosaurs vanished due to an ice age. Any student who answered they were killed due to a huge asteroid were "wrong," to scientifically correct.

Most progressive Democrats have no clue what the word "scientific" actually means. To them, it means whatever they believe therefore is scientific fact because someone told them to believe that it is.
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But 'god did it' is scientific? See, the thing with science is that we learn from our mistakes and thus progress. Christianity, or whatever, is still stuck in the Bronze Age and 'god did it' is a convenient excuse for ignorance. This latest pronouncement is the most idiotic, backward and cynical vote-grabbing ploy you could imagine.
 
Lisa said:
There are reams of medical evidence that support transgendered people. Trans people are 2% of thousand and they are sexual predators or any other such nonsense and there is nothing political about the fact that they exist and have always existed.

Answers to Your Questions About Transgender People, Gender Identity, and Gender Expression

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age -- ScienceDaily

Transgender Fact Sheet | Religious Institute

Transgender |

Topics |

Christianity Today
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Nobody denies that trans people exist - that's not what the Dems are forcing down our throats. Their fairytale stretches to saying that beyond the medical phenomena, anyone can be a man or woman without the biological or chromosomal necessities. All they have to do is simply feel it and want it. This is, of course, utter trash. Being a man requires a penis. Being a woman requires a uterus. Being trans requires medical diagnosis or an extremely obvious form of cross-gender anomalities. You can't just jump in and out as you please.

A man who feels like a woman, wants to be a woman, dresses like a woman, is still a man. The Dems want to make those who abide by this scientific law criminals and penalise them for even saying it.
 
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3leftsdoo said:
I have good news for you. :)

The OP and article wildly misrepresent the bill in question. :thumbs:
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No.

No. No. No. The bill protects proseletyzing by kids it is an absurd and insane policy. Christian's need to keep their ****ing religion at home.

My kid does not need to hear your bull**** propaganda at school.

I pay taxes. I am not a Christian. Tell me why the **** my kids should be hearing religious nonsense at sschool, instead of learning.
 
Crusader13 said:
No, we should keep all personal beliefs outside of school. You don't get to believe in loony Leftist views like men are women and women are men, and insist that this outrageous, unproven, and unscientific belief should be freely enforced and spread just because it's not a 'religion'. It's still a belief based on personal choices and should not be taught to others as factual or moral.

Or do you only think we should ban beliefs from schools if it's a belief that you don't like?
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I assume you're talking about trans identity? Irrelevant to the point, but I'll say this.

I do not agree with it being taught in school period.

That's not a "looney left" position and neither is trans identity in general, so please spare me your agitprop and get back on topic.
 
Obscurity said:
No.

No. No. No. The bill protects proseletyzing by kids it is an absurd and insane policy. Christian's need to keep their ****ing religion at home.

My kid does not need to hear your bull**** propaganda at school.

I pay taxes. I am not a Christian. Tell me why the **** my kids should be hearing religious nonsense at sschool, instead of learning.
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This is why they have home 'schooling' to keep religious idiocy well away from normal people.
 
Mr Person said:
Note: I do have to cede that digging further, other sources show those as underneath. On my screen, the source I did link (itself from OP's article) may have some graphics issue since when you view it that way the lines appear further up. The government site offers a pdf, where the lines are shown underneath rather than striking through the bottom part of the letters. Either way...the main point was:
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My point is the ambiguous words you are talking about are ARE ALREADY IN THE CURRENT LAW so clearly they will not cause the effect claimed by the article in the OP
 
Obscurity said:
I pay taxes. I am not a Christian. Tell me why the **** my kids should be hearing religious nonsense at sschool, instead of learning.
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A Christian parent could make the same argument in reverse. They pay taxes as well. If most of the families which go to the school are Christian, then it seems to me it's just democracy in action.

The curriculum for a public school is based on politics. When decisions are made by politics, the politically powerful tend to get their way. In this case the religious people have more political pull than the atheists, so they win. Politics is always zero sum.

Note that under capitalism, schools cater to specific markets. They would get to send their kids to a Christian school, and you would get to send your kids to a secular school. You both get what you want.
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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The bill doesn't say that.

This article is journalistic malpractice.
 
aociswundumho said:
A Christian parent could make the same argument in reverse. They pay taxes as well. If most of the families which go to the school are Christian, then it seems to me it's just democracy in action.

The curriculum for a public school is based on politics. When decisions are made by politics, the politically powerful tend to get their way. In this case the religious people have more political pull than the atheists, so they win. Politics is always zero sum.

Note that under capitalism, schools cater to specific markets. They would get to send their kids to a Christian school, and you would get to send your kids to a secular school. You both get what you want.
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No. A Christian parent cannot make that argument. They have their faith and every right to it, they have no authority to impose their beliefs or even use publicly funded schools to promote them. Schools are for academics only - period.

Christian's can homeschool or send their kids to religious school if they want. Public school is that; public.

Frankly, I dont believe markets have any place in education since the responsibility they bear is too great for profit to be the primary motivator.
 
aociswundumho said:
A Christian parent could make the same argument in reverse. They pay taxes as well. If most of the families which go to the school are Christian, then it seems to me it's just democracy in action.

The curriculum for a public school is based on politics. When decisions are made by politics, the politically powerful tend to get their way. In this case the religious people have more political pull than the atheists, so they win. Politics is always zero sum.

Note that under capitalism, schools cater to specific markets. They would get to send their kids to a Christian school, and you would get to send your kids to a secular school. You both get what you want.
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DO you honestly think that it is just atheists that want separation of church and state, it isn't. The founding fathers did not want it either. You say this is democracy in action, it isn't. Soon you will want as in some areas of the nation the teaching of creationism as if it were something real. And as in this rule teachers can not stop children from preaching their religion in school. I remember a time when I had to fight my way to school and back in Louisville, KY because I was not the right kind of Christian. I was and am a Catholic, but I was told we were the AntiChrists and had my head broken open with a coke bottle. I can see that happening again. Get religion out of our schools. Leave religion either in religious schools, at church or at home where it belongs.
 
Obscurity said:
No.

No. No. No. The bill protects proseletyzing by kids it is an absurd and insane policy. Christian's need to keep their ****ing religion at home.

My kid does not need to hear your bull**** propaganda at school.

I pay taxes. I am not a Christian. Tell me why the **** my kids should be hearing religious nonsense at sschool, instead of learning.
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Liberal tolerance.

:donkeyfla
 
Obscurity said:
Christian's can homeschool or send their kids to religious school if they want. Public school is that; public.
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Then they shouldn't have to pay taxes for public schools. You can't have it both ways. If you to still want to force them to pay for public schools, then their views regarding education are no less valid then yours are.


Frankly, I dont believe markets have any place in education since the responsibility they bear is too great for profit to be the primary motivator.
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Food is more important than education, but you trust the market and the profit motive to keep your refrigerator (also supplied by the market) filled.
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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I suppose not many of these kids will grow up to be NASA scientists...
 
Obscurity said:
I'm not a liberal, but you already knew that.

Worthless reply, as usual with you lately.
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You are sometimes a scotch too reasonable...

...present instance excepted of course.
 
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