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Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion

Obscurity said:
Because god us not a scientific thesis and has nothing to do with science.

It should be completely illegal to raise a child in a religion. Its indoctrination of the worst sort and you're a perfect example.
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God has been banned from secular science totally committed to naturalistic explanations for unsolved mysteries in the universe. That does not make God a liar and fools right in their dummass speculations.
 
marke said:
God has been banned from secular science totally committed to naturalistic explanations for unsolved mysteries in the universe. That does not make God a liar and fools right in their dummass speculations.
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You have not proven god exists, so what he thinks is completely irrelevant.

Moreover who do you think you are to assume you know what god thinks and are able to pass judgment over it?

Mediocre.
 
marke said:
Of course. Satanic teachers of secular speculations in opposition to scientific fact and evidence have absolutely no tolerance whatsoever for scientific evidence which contradicts their cherished secular dogmas.
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Sorry, your rant notwithstanding if you send a kid to school believing the shrewd, idiotic trash fundamentalist Christian's teach their kids you should be held for child abuse.
 
Lisa said:
They always had that ability because of their free speech and religious rights. The teachers don't give a fig newton about your religious beliefs, as long as they have the correct answer on the quiz or test. You can editorialize as much as you wish, but that editorializing is just taking up time that you should be using to answer the other questions. They certainly aren't going to mark a students paper wrong if they had the correct answer, just because of their religious whining.

This legislation opens the door to allowing a student to claim that their religious belifs are an exception to facts and not be marked wrong for it. This also opens the door to every other religious belief, because all religious ideals must be treated equally.
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Not necessarily. It depends. Possibly. It depends.

Disagree, and not what the legislation says. Possibly, but what's the issue if the mythologies in question are properly addressed?
 
Obscurity said:
I am intolerant of religion being taught or spread on my taxpayer dime.

I dont give a **** what you think or feel about it, either.
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:roll:
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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I am strongly against this, and I am not an atheist. As a religious person who enjoys science, I know the two subjects are different. Religion doesn’t belong in science, and science doesn’t belong in religion. Studying science has never rattled my faith.

I find it really weird when religious groups try to isolate children from science. I remember being in college with a religious sheltered girl, and she started freaking out about the existence of God because of university science. Faced with all the new science studies, she started to wonder if god didn’t actually exist. I think that is what happens when religion shelters children from science and misleads them.

I was in many of the same classes, and my faith was not in question

These people are causing more harm than anything
 
SheWolf said:
I am strongly against this, and I am not an atheist. As a religious person who enjoys science, I know the two subjects are different. Religion doesn’t belong in science, and science doesn’t belong in religion. Studying science has never rattled my faith.

I find it really weird when religious groups try to isolate children from science. I remember being in college with a religious sheltered girl, and she started freaking out about the existence of God because of university science. Faced with all the new science studies, she started to wonder if god didn’t actually exist. I think that is what happens when religion shelters children from science and misleads them.

I was in many of the same classes, and my faith was not in question

These people are causing more harm than anything
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I have good news for you. :)

The OP and article wildly misrepresent the bill in question. :thumbs:
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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What irks me about this is that Christianity is not in opposition to evolution in the first place. Or abortion. A small sect of loud creationists has enough money in their mega-churches to make problems for everyone else.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I have good news for you. :)

The OP and article wildly misrepresent the bill in question. :thumbs:
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I couldn't load the page. I tried 5 times but after a few seconds the whole page whites out.
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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Does Ohio Bill Let Students Give Wrong Answers Based on Religion?

"Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work."
 
Cool....so if I tell my kids that mountains exist to hold up the sky, they should get an A+ in geology.
 
Wayne Jr said:
I couldn't load the page. I tried 5 times but after a few seconds the whole page whites out.
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It eventually settles & you can link to the actual bill.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Does Ohio Bill Let Students Give Wrong Answers Based on Religion?

"Sec. 3320.03. No school district board of education, governing authority of a community school established under Chapter 3314. of the Revised Code, governing body of a STEM school established under Chapter 3326. of the Revised Code, or board of trustees of a college-preparatory boarding school established under Chapter 3328. of the Revised Code shall prohibit a student from engaging in religious expression in the completion of homework, artwork, or other written or oral assignments. Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student’s work."
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:thumbs:
 
Bum said:
Cool....so if I tell my kids that mountains exist to hold up the sky, they should get an A+ in geology.
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Not if they can't properly cite the mythologies being scholastically explored.

Read the bill.
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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That is going to be challenged, for sure, you can't mix science and religion, you just can't do it.
 
OscarLevant said:
That is going to be challenged, for sure, you can't mix science and religion, you just can't do it.
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It's not being mixed. Read the bill. OP and the article grossly misrepresent what the bill actually does. I linked to the Snopes article about it.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Not if they can't properly cite the mythologies being scholastically explored.

Read the bill.
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You can say pretty much anything you want regarding religion as long as you preface it with "My god tells me".....religion justifies anything under the aegis of "faith".
 
joko104 said:
Quote the language allowing students to "answer questions scientifically wrong?"

Up until about 40-50 years ago, it was scientific fact that dinosaurs vanished due to an ice age. Any student who answered they were killed due to a huge asteroid were "wrong," to scientifically correct.

Most progressive Democrats have no clue what the word "scientific" actually means. To them, it means whatever they believe therefore is scientific fact because someone told them to believe that it is.
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Actually there is a part of the bill that says that students must answer questions correctly according to basic beliefs, but they can not be marked down if they answer with their religions beliefs. Kind of taking both sides at once. The bill is a mess with those who authored it trying to allow for "religious freedom" and yet make it so the SCOTUS won't overturn it. Kind of like wanting their cake and having it too. This is what happens any time you try to allow religion in the classroom except in religious schools.
 
independentusa said:
Actually there is a part of the bill that says that students must answer questions correctly according to basic beliefs, but they can not be marked down if they answer with their religions beliefs. Kind of taking both sides at once. The bill is a mess with those who authored it trying to allow for "religious freedom" and yet make it so the SCOTUS won't overturn it. Kind of like wanting their cake and having it too. This is what happens any time you try to allow religion in the classroom except in religious schools.
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Blocking religion from the classroom is a first amendment violation. All this bill means is that if you have to write an essay you can choose a religious topic as long as it's still relevant to the assignment.
 
Wayne Jr said:
It's not being mixed. Read the bill. OP and the article grossly misrepresent what the bill actually does. I linked to the Snopes article about it.
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Cool, I assumed the title of the OP was legit.
 
Wayne Jr said:
Blocking religion from the classroom is a first amendment violation. All this bill means is that if you have to write an essay you can choose a religious topic as long as it's still relevant to the assignment.
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Religion in a public school should be taught in a comparative religions class or in a history class where references are historical. The public schools should not be a vehicle to promote any particular religion.

You could write an essay on a particular religion if it is to explain what the religion is about, it's impact on culture, etc., in other words, if approached in an academic fashion, but you can't write an essay if it's clear that the essay proselytizes
 
OscarLevant said:
That is going to be challenged, for sure, you can't mix science and religion, you just can't do it.
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Huh?

A+ paper:

Jesus loves you, Mr. Smith.

Darwin on the other hand [superb presentation of applicable Darwinian concepts].

In closing, John 20:14.
 
Bum said:
You can say pretty much anything you want regarding religion as long as you preface it with "My god tells me".....religion justifies anything under the aegis of "faith".
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Okay...

Religion and scientific study can happily co-exist in the context under discussion.
 
OscarLevant said:
That is going to be challenged, for sure, you can't mix science and religion, you just can't do it.
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There is no state mixing of religion because the school system or the teachers aren't endorsing or teaching it. This is religious freedom gone amuck.
 
OscarLevant said:
Religion in a public school should be taught in a comparative religion class or in a history class where references are historical. The public schools should not be a vehicle to promote any particular religion.
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No one's teaching religion. This is about the student expressing their religion.

OscarLevant said:
You could write an essay on a particular religion if it is to explain what the religion is about, it impacts on culture, etc., in other words, if approached in an academic fashion, but you can't write an essay if it's clear that the essay proselytizes
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Yes, you can, the 1st amendment protects the student's right to do exactly that.
 
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