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Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion

Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.

I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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Your core claim is false.

As Crovax has articulated, the bill does not permit students the latitude that either you or the article claim.

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Crovax said:
From section 3320.03 one of the only parts of the bill that changed. Your quote that you say is ambiguous and will lead to trouble is ALREADY part of the current law.

http://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_133/bills/hb164/PH/02?format=pdf

The part in strikeout is being taken out of the current law and the underlined parts are being added

Would it be easier if it was written in crayon?
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You and I seem to be the only people participating here who have read & understood the bill...
 
Mr Person said:
Did you not bother to read what you were responding to? 3320.03 is crossed out. The bill we're talking about changes existing law. When those bills are displayed, the sections being removed are shown with lines through them, which would appear to be the case with your 3320.03.
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Note: I do have to cede that digging further, other sources show those as underneath. On my screen, the source I did link (itself from OP's article) may have some graphics issue since when you view it that way the lines appear further up. The government site offers a pdf, where the lines are shown underneath rather than striking through the bottom part of the letters. Either way...the main point was:

Mr Person said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/educ...thout-penalty-if-they-cite-religious-reasons/

As I said, it's about the ambiguous wording in parts of the bill, not just the one I mentioned. The sponsors say it won't cause issues, but then a court, tested by someone pushing the limits, can say differently.
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3leftsdoo said:
Your core claim is false.

As Crovax has articulated, the bill does not permit students the latitude that either you or the article claim.

:shrug:
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That is the only reason why this legislation exists. Why would they pass it if it doesn't do exactly that, unless you are saying that they just passed legislation that changes nothing?
 
Lisa said:
I cannot believe the partisan idiocy that is coming from Columbus in the past week. The state legislature wants to allow public school students to be permited to cite their religious beliefs in classes and not be graded as wrong. If this passes any public school diploma will be worthless because they are allowing religious students to reject facts and instead write "God did it" as an answer and not be marked wrong. This is claimed to be an act of religious freedom but we can see that the GOP in Ohio is desperate to pander to religious conservatives to get them to vote Republican next year.


I hated John Kasich but he is looking positively rational and pragmatic compared to this fundamentalist religious idiocy which includes the recent abortion bill would include the death penalty for doctors for performing abortions.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC
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Christian response to science question, "How did life begin on earth?": "God created life on earth in the beginning."

Typical knee-jerk dummass response from deluded secular science propaganda teacher: "You are wrong and everybody knows it. God is not scientific and people who think Goddidit are morons!"
 
marke said:
Christian response to science question, "How did life begin on earth?": "God created life on earth in the beginning."

Typical knee-jerk dummass response from deluded secular science propaganda teacher: "You are wrong and everybody knows it. God is not scientific and people who think Goddidit are morons!"
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Well duh! Good on the teacher, obviously the student was wrong.

Everyone knows Santa Claus created life on earth in the beginning.
 
marke said:
Christian response to science question, "How did life begin on earth?": "God created life on earth in the beginning."

Typical knee-jerk dummass response from deluded secular science propaganda teacher: "You are wrong and everybody knows it. God is not scientific and people who think Goddidit are morons!"
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If that is your answer then you need to empirically prove that God exists, which you have never yet done. Your god or any other god does not exist by default.

Can you prove that your god wasn't created by Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Thor or Krishna?
 
How about this exceedingly
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Novel idea.

Keep your ****ing religion at home where it ****ing belongs you goddamned christian morons.
 
Obscurity said:
How about this exceedingly
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Novel idea.

Keep your ****ing religion at home where it ****ing belongs you goddamned christian morons.
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Dude, I suppose you're also this outraged at the toxic echo chamber of Leftist professors bringing their personal beliefs into college campuses?
 
Lisa said:
That is the only reason why this legislation exists. Why would they pass it if it doesn't do exactly that, unless you are saying that they just passed legislation that changes nothing?
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No.

The legislation permits students to cite their mythologies in support of, or in counterpoint to, the mythologies under specific pedagogical examination.

But they must still demonstrate mastery of the latter mythologies.
 
Mr Person said:
Note: I do have to cede that digging further, other sources show those as underneath. On my screen, the source I did link (itself from OP's article) may have some graphics issue since when you view it that way the lines appear further up. The government site offers a pdf, where the lines are shown underneath rather than striking through the bottom part of the letters. Either way...the main point was:
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The underline vs strikeout thing was at first confusing to me as well.
 
Obscurity said:
How about this exceedingly
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Novel idea.

Keep your ****ing religion at home where it ****ing belongs you goddamned christian morons.
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So tolerant!

:eek:
 
marke said:
Christian response to science question, "How did life begin on earth?": "God created life on earth in the beginning."

Typical knee-jerk dummass response from deluded secular science propaganda teacher: "You are wrong and everybody knows it. God is not scientific and people who think Goddidit are morons!"
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If you gave such a response to a scientific question that would indeed be moronic. You pose a nonscientific question to which the scientific answer is we don't know yet.
 
JustHanging said:
Well duh! Good on the teacher, obviously the student was wrong.

Everyone knows Santa Claus created life on earth in the beginning.
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Maybe Richard Dawkins does believe Santa Claus didit but that does not mean his stupid assumptions are facts. Richard Dawkins and other atheistic morons in the science field may think God cannot exist because he has been banned from dictionary definitions of science, but that does not mean their ridiculous speculations are correct.
 
Lisa said:
If that is your answer then you need to empirically prove that God exists, which you have never yet done. Your god or any other god does not exist by default.

Can you prove that your god wasn't created by Zeus, Jupiter, Ra, Thor or Krishna?
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I don't have to prove God, especially since God rejects the notion of proving Himself to rebels who think it is stupid to believe in God.
 
Manc Skipper said:
If you gave such a response to a scientific question that would indeed be moronic. You pose a nonscientific question to which the scientific answer is we don't know yet.
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I'm not claiming the truthful Christian response will align with dummass secular assumptions that God cannot be true since He has been banned from their dummass dictionary definitions of science.
 
3leftsdoo said:
No.

The legislation permits students to cite their mythologies in support of, or in counterpoint to, the mythologies under specific pedagogical examination.

But they must still demonstrate mastery of the latter mythologies.
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They always had that ability because of their free speech and religious rights. The teachers don't give a fig newton about your religious beliefs, as long as they have the correct answer on the quiz or test. You can editorialize as much as you wish, but that editorializing is just taking up time that you should be using to answer the other questions. They certainly aren't going to mark a students paper wrong if they had the correct answer, just because of their religious whining.

This legislation opens the door to allowing a student to claim that their religious belifs are an exception to facts and not be marked wrong for it. This also opens the door to every other religious belief, because all religious ideals must be treated equally.
 
marke said:
I don't have to prove God, especially since God rejects the notion of proving Himself to rebels who think it is stupid to believe in God.
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When did your god say that? Is that another of your religious beliefs?

The logical onus says that you do. You are making a positive claim that gods exists, so the burden of proof is on you to prove that claim to be empirically correct. This idea is what Bertrand Russell was trying to explain in his celestial teapot analogy. You could also admit that you reject logic..................
 
Crusader13 said:
Dude, I suppose you're also this outraged at the toxic echo chamber of Leftist professors bringing their personal beliefs into college campuses?
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Keep RELIGION out of school. ****ing period.
 
3leftsdoo said:
So tolerant!

:eek:
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I am intolerant of religion being taught or spread on my taxpayer dime.

I dont give a **** what you think or feel about it, either.
 
marke said:
Christian response to science question, "How did life begin on earth?": "God created life on earth in the beginning."

Typical knee-jerk dummass response from deluded secular science propaganda teacher: "You are wrong and everybody knows it. God is not scientific and people who think Goddidit are morons!"
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If it were my school the student would be expelled.
 
marke said:
I'm not claiming the truthful Christian response will align with dummass secular assumptions that God cannot be true since He has been banned from their dummass dictionary definitions of science.
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Because god us not a scientific thesis and has nothing to do with science.

It should be completely illegal to raise a child in a religion. Its indoctrination of the worst sort and you're a perfect example.
 
Obscurity said:
If it were my school the student would be expelled.
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Of course. Satanic teachers of secular speculations in opposition to scientific fact and evidence have absolutely no tolerance whatsoever for scientific evidence which contradicts their cherished secular dogmas.
 
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