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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    Morales made the terrible mistake of relying on the OAS to review the election results, and in the preceding/ensuing lithium-charged US desire for control of Bolivia, he was forced out of office.

    Does anyone care?

    Liberals?

    Conservatives?

    Leftists?

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    Bolivia Coup Is Latest Blow for Latin American Socialism
    I don't care about Morales but this is why people wonder about our governments own involvement not only around the world but in our own politics. Go back to the 1960's and look at the Gulf of Tonkin incident. U.S. definitely hid some facts that helped create an opening for us to get more involved in Vietnam, like the NV patrol boats firing on USS Morris first, not so. I love our country and I support our decisions mostly but our "secrets" are dirty in a lot of places. I think we are fixing to find out at least some more when IG Horowitz unveils the FISA and Mueller investigations.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    The US trained many of the top military leaders in a great many nations at the Panama School of the America's, including:

    • Argentina
    • Bolivia
    • Brazil
    • Chile
    • Colombia
    • Ecuador
    • El Salvador
    • Guatemala
    • Haiti
    • Honduras
    • Mexico
    • Panama
    • Paraguay
    • Peru
    • Uruguay
    • Venezuela


    It is what the school was specifically set up to do - Train military leaders from Central and South America.

    All the people of Bolivia are better off, including the indigenous. Whether they realize it now or not. The last thing they want is to become another Venezuela, eating the animals at the zoo because they are starving to death. Socialism is always the path to death and destruction.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bordigist View Post
    Mussolini made no pretensions to governing a socialist society until the establishment of the Republic of Saló in 1944 - and he was simply lying about it.
    Mussolini wrote FDR letters of congratulations with the enactment of his socialist fascist New Deal programs in 1934 and 1935. Apparently Mussolini wasn't aware of the power of our Supreme Court that tossed 11 of FDR's 15 New Deal programs as violating the US Constitution. FDR would eventually get his revenge against the Supreme Court by replacing all nine of them between 1937 and 1943.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bordigist View Post
    I don't care what Lenin says, because he was wrong. Marx does not distinguish between 'socialism' and 'Communism' which terms he uses interchangeably, but between 'higher phase' and 'lower phase' Communism. He also discussed this in the Gothakritik, a work directly aimed against the Lassallean 'State socialists'.
    I think I will take one of the founders definition over yours.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    The US trained many of the top military leaders in a great many nations at the Panama School of the America's, including:

    • Argentina
    • Bolivia
    • Brazil
    • Chile
    • Colombia
    • Ecuador
    • El Salvador
    • Guatemala
    • Haiti
    • Honduras
    • Mexico
    • Panama
    • Paraguay
    • Peru
    • Uruguay
    • Venezuela


    It is what the school was specifically set up to do - Train military leaders from Central and South America.

    All the people of Bolivia are better off, including the indigenous. Whether they realize it now or not. The last thing they want is to become another Venezuela, eating the animals at the zoo because they are starving to death. Socialism is always the path to death and destruction.
    Yep, though you are a bit behind the times. The training academy in Panama was closed many years ago. The Latin America military now receive training at Ft Benning in Georgia.

    In how many of the nations on your list did American trained military over throw their governments?
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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Mussolini wrote FDR letters of congratulations with the enactment of his socialist fascist New Deal programs in 1934 and 1935. Apparently Mussolini wasn't aware of the power of our Supreme Court that tossed 11 of FDR's 15 New Deal programs as violating the US Constitution. FDR would eventually get his revenge against the Supreme Court by replacing all nine of them between 1937 and 1943.
    Sure. Anglo-American left-liberalism shares a genetic heritage with fascism, particularly the overt corporatism of institutions like the NRA. But socialism is not simply Keynesianism on steroids.

    Welfare statism etc. presuppose capitalism by presupposing the existence of money facilitated by wage labor. Communism abolishes these.

    I think I will take one of the founders definition over yours.
    Then you need to read the Gothakritik more discerningly. Marx identifies socialism as Communism and speaks only of "higher" and "lower" phases of the same. I can cite chapter and verse if you please.
    All theories (bourgeois, fascist, Stalinist, Labourite, left-wing, or far-leftist) which somehow glorify and praise the proletariat as it is and claim for it the positive role of defending values and regenerating society, are anti-revolutionary.
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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    In how many of the nations on your list did American trained military over throw their governments?
    All of them, at one time or another. Beginning in the 1960s, but mostly during the 1980s. The 1980s was a very coups-happy decade in Central and South America.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Disgusting move. And of course the "winner" is a psychopathic right wing Christian zealot hell bent on undoing the progress Bolivia has made.

    This global insurgency by failure right wingers has got to be stopped. This was theft outright and a real coup.

    You clowncar right wingers should take note.

    This is what a real coup looks like.

    They're rounding up his supporters now.

    Wonder why. Apparently he has fled to mexico.

    Completely unacceptable.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    Disgusting move. And of course the "winner" is a psychopathic right wing Christian zealot hell bent on undoing the progress Bolivia has made.

    This global insurgency by failure right wingers has got to be stopped. This was theft outright and a real coup.

    You clowncar right wingers should take note.

    This is what a real coup looks like.

    They're rounding up his supporters now.

    Wonder why. Apparently he has fled to mexico.

    Completely unacceptable.
    A coup d'etat is any attempt to illegally overthrow a lawfully elected government. Like what the FBI, CIA, Hillary, and Obama tried to do after the 2016 General Election. Guess who invented the Russian Collusion lie? I'll give you a hint, it was the same person who invented the Obama was born in Kenya lie in 2008.

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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    A coup d'etat is any attempt to illegally overthrow a lawfully elected government. Like what the FBI, CIA, Hillary, and Obama tried to do after the 2016 General Election. Guess who invented the Russian Collusion lie? I'll give you a hint, it was the same person who invented the Obama was born in Kenya lie in 2008.
    I never bought into the russian collusion narrative. What's happening in Bolivia is absolutely a coup.

    And it's a great example of a coup.

    What's happened to trump, is not a coup.
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    Re: Is There Any Interest In Discussing The US-Backed Coup Which Has Finally Removed Morales?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yep, though you are a bit behind the times. The training academy in Panama was closed many years ago. The Latin America military now receive training at Ft Benning in Georgia.

    In how many of the nations on your list did American trained military over throw their governments?
    Many of South America's most savage repressive fascistic dictators were Ft Benning "School of the Americas" alumni.
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