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Drawdown said:
Why get worked up when you know the ending to the movie?
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Get worked up because removal of Trump from office isn't the goal of democrats in these impeachment proceedings, IMO. Rather, their goal is to interfere in the 2020 election and prevent Trump from being re-elected because of the impeachment proceedings.
 
cabse5 said:
Get worked up because removal of Trump from office isn't the goal of democrats in these impeachment proceedings, IMO. The goal is to interfere in the 2020 election and prevent Trump from being re-elected.
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And when they fail to remove him, it will be an issue the dems candidates and nominee will have to address repeatedly. Trump is very good at sucking the air out of the room already. I am not sure why the dems have helped him, but they have. 2020 will be All Trump All The Time. It makes it hard for an opposition to build a movement when they cannot even get their platform out there to the sticky-fingered Deplorable masses.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
When will the Senate investigate this?
The EU, IMF, US /Shokin happened years ago.
The Senate could start an investigation whenever they feel like it.
But, they haven't felt like it.
Trump_DoJ could start in investigation whenever it is warranted.

The Biden business is a red herring. It is meant to distract.
If the Biden business was real, the Senate would be investigating as well as the USDOJ.
If Trump_DoJ were investigating the Bidens and Trump was helping, that'd put an end to the whole Ukrainian business.


The DOJ have literally had years to look at this publicly available information about the EU/IMF/US/Shokin business.
The Senate has also had years to review the publicly available information.
But neither one is taking any action.

What is your theory about why that is?
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I wager in on this. For, at least, the past 2 years, the Mueller investigation has taken all the 'oxygen from the room' of other conspiracy theory investigations. Meaning congress and the press were fixated on the Mueller investigation for over the past 2 years...And before that, the Obama administration would had to of been investigated while the Obama administration was still in power.
 
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Typical Republican crap... they'll search to the ends of the Earth for some e-mail they heard third-hand that Hillary Clinton sent about booking a pedicure appointment in March of 2015 - but President Trump seeks to subvert our democratic institutions by using taxpayer dollars to try to dig up dirt on his opponents and actively solicits foreign-supplied "dirt" on his opponents and it's "nothing to see here."
 
cabse5 said:
I wager in on this. For, at least, the past 2 years, the Mueller investigation has taken all the 'oxygen from the room' of other conspiracy theory investigations. Meaning congress and the press were fixated on the Mueller investigation for over the past 2 years..
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The DOJ and the Senate have been unable or unwilling to examine this issue for years because they were...what exactly?
The Senate and the DOJ conducted other business during this time.
So it's not like there was some lack of resources which prohibited them.
They just did not choose to conduct this business.

Or are you saying that these groups did not choose to investigate the Bidens because they just lacked the mental energy?
Were their egos too depleted?

Or what exactly?
I understand the idiom sucked the oxygen from the room.
I just don't see how that applies in this instance.
 
Drawdown said:
And when they fail to remove him, it will be an issue the dems candidates and nominee will have to address repeatedly. Trump is very good at sucking the air out of the room already. I am not sure why the dems have helped him, but they have. 2020 will be All Trump All The Time. It makes it hard for an opposition to build a movement when they cannot even get their platform out there to the sticky-fingered Deplorable masses.
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Through secrecy and only releasing drips and drabs of negative information about Trump concerning the phone call, the house has shaped public opinion about impeaching Trump.

What is the latest crime Trump has committed according to dems? Bribery? Hasn't Pelosi, for example, said that Nixon's crimes pail in comparison to Trump's?
Which house dems or GOPs do you think either Pelosi or other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince? Do you think Pelosi or other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince some Senate dems or GOPs? IMO, the ones Pelosi and other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince are constituents and voters in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
The DOJ and the Senate have been unable or unwilling to examine this issue for years because they were...what exactly?
The Senate and the DOJ conducted other business during this time.
So it's not like there was some lack of resources which prohibited them.
They just did not choose to conduct this business.

Or are you saying that these groups did not choose to investigate the Bidens because they just lacked the mental energy?
Were their egos too depleted?

Or what exactly?
I understand the idiom sucked the oxygen from the room.
I just don't see how that applies in this instance.
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During the Mueller investigation they didn't wager any other 'conspiracy theory' investigations, IMO, because the news cycle was already brimming with Mueller investigation material.
Before that, they wouldn't have investigated the Obama administration concerning 'conspiracy theories'.
 
cabse5 said:
Through secrecy and only releasing drips and drabs of negative information about Trump concerning the phone call, the house has shaped public opinion about impeaching Trump.

What is the latest crime Trump has committed according to dems? Bribery? Hasn't Pelosi, for example, said that Nixon's crimes pail in comparison to Trump's?
Which house dems or GOPs do you think either Pelosi or other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince? Do you think Pelosi or other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince some Senate dems or GOPs? IMO, the ones Pelosi and other outspoken ones in the house are trying to convince are constituents and voters in the upcoming 2020 presidential election.
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They can appeal to their base all they want, but it won't change that their nominees are horribly weak candidates. Some polling suggests that the Medicare for All which is a top-line policy of two of the three is opposed by a big chunk of the democratic base and the third one is old as dirt and will have to account for his actions protecting his son before it is over no matter how much Nancy tries to shield him. There is a generational shift going on in the DNC and these Old Guard Establishment folks are going to be sadly disappointed when whichever nominee they arrange for falls flat on their face.
 
Drawdown said:
They can appeal to their base all they want, but it won't change that their nominees are horribly weak candidates. Some polling suggests that the Medicare for All which is a top-line policy of two of the three is opposed by a big chunk of the democratic base and the third one is old as dirt and will have to account for his actions protecting his son before it is over no matter how much Nancy tries to shield him. There is a generational shift going on in the DNC and these Old Guard Establishment folks are going to be sadly disappointed when whichever nominee they arrange for falls flat on their face.
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You are finished, this is disgusting and sick the way you support this corruption and treason against our country. You disgust me and reinforce my firm belief that it is my duty to protect and defend our country against all threats foreign and domestic. You will be tossed out on your ear with good riddance.


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CaughtInThe said:
The conclusion I've come to is that republicans don't care if democratic senators make promises to foreign governments as long as those foreign governments can manufacture dirt on their opponents so they can win elections.

Good job Republican voters.
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Haven't won many logic prizes, I see....
 
Drawdown said:
They can appeal to their base all they want, but it won't change that their nominees are horribly weak candidates. Some polling suggests that the Medicare for All which is a top-line policy of two of the three is opposed by a big chunk of the democratic base and the third one is old as dirt and will have to account for his actions protecting his son before it is over no matter how much Nancy tries to shield him. There is a generational shift going on in the DNC and these Old Guard Establishment folks are going to be sadly disappointed when whichever nominee they arrange for falls flat on their face.
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Which qualifications do you wish to argue in a presidential candidate? That they've had a good deal of government service or that they don't appear to be cooked (even though their programs make no sense)? In 2016, the voters took the candidate that didn't appear to be crooked.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Uh, this whole thing was rumored, maybe not to you though, for a long time. I'm sure longer within government. The call actually happened in July but Trunp had been obsessed much longer than that.

Not sure how you missed that.
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No one is sure how you picked that up, yet here you are...spouting.
 
cabse5 said:
Get worked up because removal of Trump from office isn't the goal of democrats in these impeachment proceedings, IMO. Rather, their goal is to interfere in the 2020 election and prevent Trump from being re-elected because of the impeachment proceedings.
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Exactly. Clearly they have no case. Now they are trying to say the president does not have the right to hire and fire the people working for him. More of a nothing burger because that seems to be all they have.
 
cabse5 said:
During the Mueller investigation they didn't wager any other 'conspiracy theory' investigations, IMO, because the news cycle was already brimming with Mueller investigation material.
Before that, they wouldn't have investigated the Obama administration concerning 'conspiracy theories'.
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News cycles determine what the DOJ and the Senate do or do not investigate?
 
Bandit said:
You are finished, this is disgusting and sick the way you support this corruption and treason against our country. You disgust me and reinforce my firm belief that it is my duty to protect and defend our country against all threats foreign and domestic. You will be tossed out on your ear with good riddance.


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No where have we seen where Hilarity and the Dims were denigrated in any way, yet treason and corruption ooze from their pores. If you are such a strong protector of our country "foreign and domestic" you would be a veteran. It's folks like you that disgust us all.
 
CaughtInThe said:
The conclusion I've come to is that republicans don't care if democratic senators make promises to foreign governments as long as those foreign governments can manufacture dirt on their opponents so they can win elections.

Good job Republican voters.
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You've misjudged this vial part of the Ukrainian phone call: Trump (and Giuliani) weren't trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the 2020 presidential candidate, they were trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the vice president of the Obama Administration.
 
cabse5 said:
You've misjudged this vial part of the Ukrainian phone call: Trump (and Giuliani) weren't trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the 2020 presidential candidate, they were trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the vice president of the Obama Administration.
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Bingo.
 
DamnYankee said:
Not really. Leftists believe everything their elites tell them to believe. So if A. (Pencil Neck) Schitt says "JUMP," leftist minions dutifully obey. Sad.
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You are kidding, right? Trump is a know liar and his followers will defend his lies at all costs and you want to accuse lefties of being elitist because they are calling for pubic testimony in relation to possible wrong doing by the white house? I could care less about what Schiff has to say, I'm only interested in what those testifying have to say. I want to know why the president inserted his personal lawyer into the operations of the State Department and what role he played. I want to know if the president is using the power of his office for his personal political gain. None of what I'm interested in has anything to do with Schiff.

If ever there were a group of people that believe everything they're told by their leader and his talking heads like Limbaugh and Hannity it's trumplicans.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
News cycles determine what the DOJ and the Senate do or do not investigate?
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Yes. When it's a special counsel, er, fishing expedition investigation.

BTW, dems in the house think this impeachment proceeding is a special counsel, er, fishing expedition investigation...which it is not.
 
Acadia said:
Bingo.
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And why does that make any difference? That Trump's Ukrainian phone call and Guiliani's diggings were investigating Biden the Vice-President of the Obama Administration and not Biden the 2020 presidential candidate? Because the Trump DOJ is investigating the origins of the investigation into Trump campaign collusion with, allegedly, Russia in the 2016.

EDIT: And Trump has a dog in this fight.
Second edit: And, besides, the dems shouldn't be the only ones allowed to act upon their conspiracy theories.
 
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Logical1 said:
Intelligent people can only come to one conclusion with the criminal impeachment of the president that is going on. With the number of obvious liars that the democrats have brought forward, and more being named all the time, President Trump would have had to do this. He would have had to let all of Washington know he was going to call Ukraine, what time the call was to be made, and rented a hall to hold all the people that said they heard the call.

Doesnt Schiff understand the more people he says overheard the president the more foolish he looks.

Comments?
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Impeachments cannot be criminal as they are constitutionally provided for therefore your premise is entirely false
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Exactly. Clearly they have no case. Now they are trying to say the president does not have the right to hire and fire the people working for him. More of a nothing burger because that seems to be all they have.
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Huh? A pro-Trump liberal?
 
smallvoice said:
No one is sure how you picked that up, yet here you are...spouting.
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Well, having a brain is a major advantage for me.

I can understand people's frustration.
 
cabse5 said:
You've misjudged this vial part of the Ukrainian phone call: Trump (and Giuliani) weren't trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the 2020 presidential candidate, they were trying to dig up dirt on Biden, the vice president of the Obama Administration.
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Wow. You just admitted he was trying to dig up dirt.

Bravo for being honest on that part.
 
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