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Your President just said he's immune from all stages of a State criminal process...

less right said:
Biden couldn't withhold the funds on his own say so. He could only forward the threat.

If the Biden's, Burisma and Crowdstrike were so essential to Ukraine's security why did Trump wait until campaign prep time in the U.S. to pursue the issue? It could be coincidence, but the coincidences are adding up to an ugly circumstantial (so far) case abuse of power.
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Out of al the qualified people in the world they chose Hunter Biden because of his outstanding resume. Well if you consider daddy is instrumental in you getting lots of taxpayer money.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Out of al the qualified people in the world they chose Hunter Biden because of his outstanding resume. Well if you consider daddy is instrumental in you getting lots of taxpayer money.
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I have no doubt they hired Hunter in hopes of currying favor. Looks bad. Is there any evidence of corruption between the Biden's besides how it looks?
 
less right said:
I have no doubt they hired Hunter in hopes of currying favor. Looks bad. Is there any evidence of corruption between the Biden's besides how it looks?
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The attack on our president for even asking someone to look into this corruption is the evidence.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I think you are showing the evidence for the collusion lie. The first coup attempt that failed.
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I'm thrilled that Trump didn't get caught colluding.

Not too happy with the criminals he surrounded himself with though. Good thing Mueller was able to root them out with the witch hunt. Even better he was able to reclaim illegally acquired funds amounting to more than the cost of the investigation.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
The attack on our president for even asking someone to look into this corruption is the evidence.
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First, there was no corruption that has been proved against Hunter Biden so every time you state it is so it is a lie. If you say taking that job is corruption, then what about Trump taking money from his hotel in Washington from foreign countries when he knows they are doing it to curry favor with the President. Is that corruption? Not according to all of the Trumpsters, it is just fine.
 
less right said:
I'm thrilled that Trump didn't get caught colluding.

Not too happy with the criminals he surrounded himself with though. Good thing Mueller was able to root them out with the witch hunt. Even better he was able to reclaim illegally acquired funds amounting to more than the cost of the investigation.
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He didn't get caught because it didn't happen. Nothing but a failed coup.
 
independentusa said:
First, there was no corruption that has been proved against Hunter Biden so every time you state it is so it is a lie. If you say taking that job is corruption, then what about Trump taking money from his hotel in Washington from foreign countries when he knows they are doing it to curry favor with the President. Is that corruption? Not according to all of the Trumpsters, it is just fine.
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Please. Hunter would be lucky to get a job managing a burger joint with his resume. The only reason he got that job is because his daddy was vice president and doling out taxpayer money. Even Hunter acknowledged that.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Please. Hunter would be lucky to get a job managing a burger joint with his resume. The only reason he got that job is because his daddy was vice president and doling out taxpayer money. Even Hunter acknowledged that.
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Don't know much about Hunter Biden do ya? Well, OK you probably got your info from Sean and Laura, maybe a bit from Alex and some other people.
 
I am getting tired of hearing talking heads say that "Trump does not think he has done anything wrong" when trying to rationalize Trump's court arguments and his political arguments regarding his taxes, Ukraine, what have you.

That is utter BS. Trump is not too bright. He is certainly flat out ignorant of much we would expect a President to know. But he knows when he has done something shady, smarmy or downright illegal. His problem is that he has spent decades in an environment where all it cost him was money in Civil Tort loses. He really never has recognized that his perspective needed to change when he reached the WH and that is going to be the thing that gets him tossed from the WH either through Impeachment and Removal or defeat in 2020.
 
swing_voter said:
President Truman was the first to release his tax returns to the public. Why did he do it? Because he was poor and his taxes were simple. It forced his opponent to release his taxes, he was a rich man with complicated taxes. It was a 100% political move.

I don't have to show my taxes to anybody and I don't see why Trump should have to either.
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It's become an American tradition, whether or not it started as a stunt. But, that aside, you're right, or were, nothing (besides tradition) dictates that a President must show his tax returns. BUT, when his finances become part of a criminal investigation that argument goes out the window. And, NO, the argument that he can't be investigated is BULL****!!!! Our founders would be appalled that he has made that argument, even once, but this guy is doing it on a daily basis. He's wrong, it's wrong and Don Vito Trump, for the sake of our Republic, needs to be held accountable; like any other AmeriCAN.
 
Somerville said:
Don't know much about Hunter Biden do ya? Well, OK you probably got your info from Sean and Laura, maybe a bit from Alex and some other people.
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Even Hunter admitted he probably wouldn't get the job except his name Biden. Son of VP Biden in charge of doling out taxpayer money and using it to get rid of people the current political party in charge doesn't like.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Even Hunter admitted he probably wouldn't get the job except his name Biden. Son of VP Biden in charge of doling out taxpayer money and using it to get rid of people the current political party in charge doesn't like.
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WOW!! That's some good stuff you're smoking.
 
jnug said:
His problem is that he has spent decades in an environment where all it cost him was money in Civil Tort loses.
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That folds in nicely with the embedded 'no oversight' leadership style. Ignoring the subpoenas is a dangerously good example.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Re: subpoena for his tax returns, Trump legal team files 179 page brief arguing that "he is absolutely immune from all stages of state criminal process while in office" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6549876/Petition-for-Writ-Trump-v-Vance-1.pdf https://twitter.com/jamiedupree/status/1195107497532706817/photo/1

Donald Trump said he would release his tax returns while RUNNING to be a POLITICIAN.

Now that he IS a POLITICAN he says he's better than all you guys while he IS a POLITICAN (can't even be investigated).

He said so in an 179 page argument.

Politician. Your daddy.
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Is everyone who wants to keep his tax returns a secret from the eyes of those wanting to hurt him a crook?
 
marke said:
Is everyone who wants to keep his tax returns a secret from the eyes of those wanting to hurt him a crook?
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He's hiding it from the people he wants to vote for him. That's what this is about.
 
Grand Mal said:
He's hiding it from the people he wants to vote for him. That's what this is about.
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Trump voters couldn't be more complicit in this Trump corruption if they had an office in the White House and were doing Rudy like things.
 
Grand Mal said:
He's hiding it from the people he wants to vote for him. That's what this is about.
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Oh, just like Obama refused to allow experts to confirm his birth certificate was not a forgery?
 
marke said:
Oh, just like Obama refused to allow experts to confirm his birth certificate was not a forgery?
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Pandering to conspiracy nutjobs and providing your income tax return when you want to be elected are very different things, so your deflection attempt failed.
Was Trump lying when he said he couldn't release his return because it was being audited but he would as soon as he could? Was that a lie or is his refusal now just an alternate fact?
 
Somerville said:
WOW!! That's some good stuff you're smoking.
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Watched it on TV. Maybe you need to smoke less and watch some TV.

Hunter Biden on Tuesday said he did nothing wrong when he served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, but acknowledged that he likely got high-paying positions on such boards because “I’m the son of the vice president of the United States.”
 
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