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Democrat's star witness Kent says Burisma should be investigated

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George Kent, deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, said he believed alleged corruption related to Ukrainian gas company Burisma should be investigated, a point Republicans have emphasized in their defense of President Donald Trump.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” Kent said of the oligarch head of Burisma. “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

“Are you in favor of that matter being fully investigated and prosecuted?” asked Steve Castor, Republicans' counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

“I think since U.S. taxpayer dollars were wasted, I would love to see the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office find out who the corrupt prosecutor was and who took the bribe, and how much was paid, and that’s what I told the deputy prosecutor general on February 3, 2015,” Kent replied.


Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!
 
Is it not possible that both facts are true? Burisma is dirty, and possibly the Bidens, but also rather than having the State Dept or some other US body investigate, Trump tried to turn it into a political tool by strongarming Ukraine with withheld aid?

If that's the case the relevant authorities are welcome to investigate Biden and Burisma for whatever wrongdoing they may have committed. The relevant authorities - Congress - are still impeaching Trump because we already know what he's done is no better.
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

That says Kent believes Mykola Ziochevsky should be investigated.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

By the way, bribery/extortion is exactly what Chief Prosecutor Shoken was accused of and being fired for in the first place because that is about all he ever did, threaten companies with prosecution, often on thin evidence and then taken a bribe from somebody to drop the case.

So what do you think that bribe would look like, a check from Burisma to Shoken or do you think it more likely that it would have been a cash deal between Mykola Zlochevsky and Shoken? Do you seriously think only Americans are smart enough to know how to execute a bribe????

Sounds like Kent thinks Mykola Zlochevsky stole money from the company (very likely if any of this is true) and used it to bribe Shoken.

I absolutely think it makes sense to try to determine who and what of Burisma or actually Zlochevsky possibly fell into that same Shoken trap. That said, I am not sure it says as much about Burisma as what it says about Shoken who has already shuffled himself off to Buffalo. He is not even in-country any longer.

I am not much concerned if Ukraine investigates Burisma. That is not what Trumpkin was talking about. Trumpkin was talking about investigating Bidens and that is a whole different kettle of fish.
 
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It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

You do realize Trump isn't in trouble for wanting Biden investigated. He's in trouble because HOW he went about doing it. I'm all for Bidens getting investigated, but you don't do it in the way Trump did.
 
Wait.
Do the stupid ****ing Trump supporters want to attack Joe Biden for lobbying on behalf of the U.S. government to remove the corrupt prosecutor who would NOT investigate Burisma?
Or do they want to argue that he was supposed to WANT the corrupt prosecutor who refused to investigate Burisma?

Make up your minds, idiots.
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

Himes asked Kent whether he thought Trump’s efforts to persuade Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate the Bidens in a July phone call sounded like “the president participating in or requesting a thoughtful and well-calibrated anti-corruption program.” Kent replied, “I do not.”

Himes then asked Kent, “Is what the president did in his phone call and what Joe Biden did in terms of Mr. Shokin, are those exactly the same things?”

“I do not think they are the same things,” Kent replied. “What former Vice President Biden requested of former President of Ukraine Poroshenko was the removal of a corrupt prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who had undermined a program of assistance that we had spent, again, US taxpayer money to try to build an independent investigator unit to go after corrupt prosecutors.”

You people on the right are so damned desperate to make this about Burisma or Joe Biden and IT IS NOT! This is about Trump's EXTORTION and BRIBERY and ABUSE OF POWER by asking a foreign government to SPY on a United States citizen.

Get over it righties!
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

It's always amusing to see Republicans tie themselves into a knot to call black white.

Joe Biden's involvement made is MORE LIKELY that Burisma would be investigated.

Repeat this again... Think about... Wait until it settles in...

Joe Biden forced out Shokin, i.e the prosecutor who not only did NOTHING on Burisma investigation, that was shelved back in 2014, but HELPED them.

Shokin's office also stepped in to help Zlochevsky, the head of Burisma.

Installing a LESS corrupt top prosecutor meant HIGHER chance that Burisma investigation would reopen, if anything.
 
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Himes asked Kent whether he thought Trump’s efforts to persuade Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate the Bidens in a July phone call sounded like “the president participating in or requesting a thoughtful and well-calibrated anti-corruption program.” Kent replied, “I do not.”

Himes then asked Kent, “Is what the president did in his phone call and what Joe Biden did in terms of Mr. Shokin, are those exactly the same things?”

“I do not think they are the same things,” Kent replied. “What former Vice President Biden requested of former President of Ukraine Poroshenko was the removal of a corrupt prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who had undermined a program of assistance that we had spent, again, US taxpayer money to try to build an independent investigator unit to go after corrupt prosecutors.”

You people on the right are so damned desperate to make this about Burisma or Joe Biden and IT IS NOT! This is about Trump's EXTORTION and BRIBERY and ABUSE OF POWER by asking a foreign government to SPY on a United States citizen.

Get over it righties!

Stunning isn't it. Its not like the Righties have their heads buried in the sand all the time, just when there is something they don't want to see.

Gee just like their hero, Bozo the President. "I don't know anything about that". I don't know them, they must be a couple of Rudy's clients". "I don't know anything about any of that".
 
It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.
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It's always amusing when you see spin by someone who doesn't know the basic facts of the matter.

Zlochevsky ran Burisma before Biden joined its board of directors. Biden was brought in as part of an effort to clean up Burisma. Kent is not in any way suggesting that Hunter Biden should be investigated.
 
It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.
Did you even read your own excerpt? Nobody is disputing that Burisima should be investigated. It should have been investigated by the Ukrainian Persecutor. That's why we wanted him fired. He was fired for NOT doing that.

Kent said:
We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns.

^^^ This is why Biden wanted the prosecutor fired, and that was the correct move. So by getting the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired Joe Biden actually made things worse for Burisima. This is what makes this whole thing so ridiculous. You want Biden investigated for helping his son, but if anything what Biden did HURT his son.
 
You do realize Trump isn't in trouble for wanting Biden investigated. He's in trouble because HOW he went about doing it. I'm all for Bidens getting investigated, but you don't do it in the way Trump did.

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I'm all for Bidens getting investigated, but you don't do it in the way Trump did.

You seem to be misunderstanding what Kent said. He didn't say that the Bidens should be investigated. He said Burisma should be investigated. Burisma is a company that Hunter Biden happened to work for, but the owner of the company was the one who should have been investigated. Hunter Biden actually joined Burisma after the CEO allegedly stole this money. So Hunter Biden himself is not under investigation at all and never was.

Furthermore, the investigation wasn't shut down by Joe Biden. The investigation was shut down by the prosecutor that Joe Biden got fired. Biden wanted himself wanted Burisma investigated. That's why he fired the corrupt prosecutor. So Joe Biden's actions made Burisma MORE likely to be investigated not less.
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!
Hey....hi!

I'm all for it too!

Multiple Ukraine prosecutors dropped the ball on Burisma, the worst was Shokin, he dragged his feet for so long that the Brit prosecution of the chairman's laundering was closed by the euro courts and his seized ill-gotten gains were returned. The replacing of the prosecutor was always going to cause Hunter to be more likely to be investigated if there was predicate, which is why the whole "Joe protected Hunter" meme falls apart. But there never has been predicate, especially concerning Joe.
 
What Burisma did ir didn't do isn't the issue. What Hunter Biden did is not the issue. The issue is what Trump did.

Your defense is like going into a murder trial with a list of reasons why the guy needed to be killed.

Now that is good. That is a worthy DP post.
 
Well this talking point certainly seems to have backfired.

lol
 
That is perfectly fine, but it should be an actual investigation and performed properly, not by trying to blackmail another government with foreign aid money.

And not when all the Bozo at the top is actually really interested in is a public announcement of an investigation. Fat Donald didn't really give a rats behind about an actual investigation.

You know, if (BIG IF) the Dems roll this thing out the right way, Fat Donald is going to have a really hard time with this one.

If there is one irony in the whole thing, its that part of DonDon/Rudy's effort was predicated on a CT that came out of Bannon's little shop of CT horrors and the other part, the Biden part, was a CT hatched by Joe Solomon since FIRED by The Hill and picked up off the trash heap by Fox News. Why am I not surprised at that!
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated

It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

Yeah. Only problem is the head of the PGO was Shokin, and guess what he did not do? Investigate who took that bribe or others. Have you read about the diamond prosecutors case? Two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with literal bags of cash and gems, and Shokin shut down the investigation into those corrupt prosecutors. And for all of 2015, what Shokin did not do was pursue that investigation into Burisma or the owner.

Here's some background:

Viktor Shokin: The inside story on Ukraine’s ‘very good’ prosecutor at centre of Trump scandal | The Independent

The witness, a sand producer in the Kiev region, complained of men extorting hundreds of thousands of dollars. It took a while to persuade the man to give evidence. But when he did, and the investigation began, the trail led to two of the country’s highest-placed prosecutors [one of them was Shokin's former driver].

A search of the men’s apartments revealed a scene that looked like a comic heist: bags full of cash, diamonds and other precious stones. But that was not the only incriminating evidence. Documents seized at the time indicated the men appeared to have a connection to the top prosecutor in the land, Viktor Shokin.
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For Sakvarelidze, there were clear suspicions the two men may have been carrying out the business of [Shokin]. But his attempts to investigate were frustrated. Soon, he faced a corruption investigation himself. At loggerheads with Shokin, he was pushed out of his job within the year.
...
During Shokin’s 13 months in office, not one major figure was convicted. No oligarch. No politician. No ranking bureaucrat.
...
By the time Joe Biden arrived in Kiev in December 2015 to issue his infamous ultimatum, Shokin had lost the support of all but 3.5 per cent of Ukrainians.

Many MPs were also clamouring for his dismissal.

First among them was Yehor Soboliev, then a reformist MP of the Samopomich faction and chair of the parliamentary anti-corruption committee. In July 2015, Soboliev pressed for a vote on Shokin’s ousting.

So the question is why are you choosing sides with that corrupt POS Shokin? More to the point, why did Trump cast his support behind that corrupt thug?
 
Kent says he'd 'love to see' Ukraine gas company Burisma investigated


It's always amusing when you see the prosecution's star witness turn into the star witness for the defense.

Good job Dems!!

Then you lot should be happy about Biden Sr. After all, it was his actions - in conjunction with other US officials and with the approval of Western allies - that resulted in the removal of the prosecutor that was NOT investigating Bursima, thereby clearing the way for any investigation his replacement might choose to launch.

You do *get* that, don't you? What Biden Sr. did would have increased his son's exposure if his son had done anything.




Just one of the many things that makes Trumpists' spastic defense of their lout so very stupid.
 
Wait.
Do the stupid ****ing Trump supporters want to attack Joe Biden for lobbying on behalf of the U.S. government to remove the corrupt prosecutor who would NOT investigate Burisma?
Or do they want to argue that he was supposed to WANT the corrupt prosecutor who refused to investigate Burisma?

Make up your minds, idiots.

I can only conclude they are literally repeating whatever they hear from Fox on a given day. That or they're even more [censored for upstairs] than I thought.



If one takes any two pieces of their Trump defenses at various times on this (or any subject, really) at random, I'd say there's a near 100% chance that they are contradictory.
 
That says Kent believes Mykola Ziochevsky should be investigated.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

By the way, bribery/extortion is exactly what Chief Prosecutor Shoken was accused of and being fired for in the first place because that is about all he ever did, threaten companies with prosecution, often on thin evidence and then taken a bribe from somebody to drop the case.

So what do you think that bribe would look like, a check from Burisma to Shoken or do you think it more likely that it would have been a cash deal between Mykola Zlochevsky and Shoken? Do you seriously think only Americans are smart enough to know how to execute a bribe????

We know what it would look like - the bags of cash and gems found in the homes of two of Shokin's top prosecutors, one of them Shokin's former driver, and who Shokin infamously did NOT prosecute for corruption. Those that tried were hounded out of office by Shokin.

Sounds like Kent thinks Mykola Zlochevsky stole money from the company (very likely if any of this is true) and used it to bribe Shoken.

I absolutely think it makes sense to try to determine who and what of Burisma or actually Zlochevsky possibly fell into that same Shoken trap. That said, I am not sure it says as much about Burisma as what it says about Shoken who has already shuffled himself off to Buffalo. He is not even in-country any longer.

I am not much concerned if Ukraine investigates Burisma. That is not what Trumpkin was talking about. Trumpkin was talking about investigating Bidens and that is a whole different kettle of fish.

Right, if anyone in the WH was worried about Ukraine 'corruption' then step 1 was to fire Shokin, which happened, because Shokin undermined efforts to clean up the place from 'corruption.' The entire world knew this, including those in Ukraine, which is why he was fired, to the cheers of anyone concerned about 'corruption' in that country.
 
:roll:

It's always amusing when you see spin by someone who doesn't know the basic facts of the matter.

Zlochevsky ran Burisma before Biden joined its board of directors. Biden was brought in as part of an effort to clean up Burisma. Kent is not in any way suggesting that Hunter Biden should be investigated.

Did Hunter Biden learn how to clean up corrupt oil companies in between crack benders?
 
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