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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    A crime is not needed for impeachment.
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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    So why are the people who were in on the call told not to testify? If there was nothing wrong with the call, the proof is not being allowed. This makes no sense.
    I've been watching the cable news this morning and, based on what I'm seeing, the most compelling thing the Democrats came up with is testimony from a guy who was told by another guy that he overheard a phone conversation between Trump and Sondland wherein Trump mentioned Biden.

    What we saw yesterday was two career diplomats who seemed to be upset that their opinions with regard to foreign policy weren't given priority over the president's opinions regarding foreign policy. If crap like that is what was going on and if testimony is going to be based primarily on policy disagreement then the WH is right to make it as hard as possible for Democrats to get their narrative out. It's a political game at that point, not a criminal one.

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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    Yes, the Ukrainian government is corrupt, but that doesn't mean any evidence of wrongdoing they uncovered is automatically discarded. It would have to bare extra scrutiny is all.

    Presidents ask other governments for help all the time with all kinds of things.

    Trump made a mistake by asking the Ukrainians for help, but was it a crime? Nope.
    Making that help request conditional on in turn helping the Trump campaign is an abuse of power.


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    Republicans absolutely refuse to answer one question: "Is it okay for a president to ask a foreign government to investigate a political opponent?"


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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    And lest anybody forget: it’s against the law for a political campaign to solicit anything of value from a foreign government. That is why these hearings are necessary.


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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Probably because he wasn't asking anyone to investigate Biden. As was testified to yesterday by witnesses hand picked by the Democrats, Trump was asking that corruption related to the 2016 campaign be investigated. The Biden stuff was more about investigating a potentially problematic relationship between Burisma (with Hunter Biden on the board) and Joe Biden who was the point man for Ukraine policy. The hand picked witnesses ALSO acknowledged the potentially problematic nature of that setup.
    He publicly asked Ukraine and China to investigate the Bidens- why again didn't he go through the proper channels?

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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I've been watching the cable news this morning and, based on what I'm seeing, the most compelling thing the Democrats came up with is testimony from a guy who was told by another guy that he overheard a phone conversation between Trump and Sondland wherein Trump mentioned Biden.
    Then they turned it into a song, but eliminated the 3rd and 4th hand commentary... didn’t fit the beat:



    What we saw yesterday was two career diplomats who seemed to be upset that their opinions with regard to foreign policy weren't given priority over the president's opinions regarding foreign policy. If crap like that is what was going on and if testimony is going to be based primarily on policy disagreement then the WH is right to make it as hard as possible for Democrats to get their narrative out. It's a political game at that point, not a criminal one.
    These professionals” didn’t like Reagan’s foreign policy much either. Seems he changed the world for the better. Left to usual thinking, the USSR still might be enslaving hundreds of millions.
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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Making that help request conditional on in turn helping the Trump campaign is an abuse of power.
    Please show where that happened.

    It didn’t.

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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    I just don't know what the fuss is all about. Trump was making friends with the new Ukrainian president. One way make friends is to ask them to do you a 'favor.' Then, they feel you owe them a favor in return. The next thing you know, you're making deals and throwing parties and you're lifelong chums.

    So I ask, what's a little favor between friends?
    First off, the day the Trump administration released the transcript of the call with the president of Ukraine, the DOJ released a statement--
    From DOJ Spokesperson Kerri Kopek-
    "A Department of Justice team led by U.S. Attorney John Durham is separately exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. While the Attorney General has yet to contact Ukraine in connection with this investigation, certain Ukrainians who are not members of the government have volunteered information to Mr. Durham, which he is evaluating,"

    The Ukrainian Embassy in Washington has already gone on record as stating a Democratic National Committee (DNC) insider, Alexandra Chalupa during the 2016 election solicited dirt on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman and even tried to enlist the country's president, Petro Poroshenko to help. At the time of the contacts in 2016, the embassy knew Chalupa as a Ukrainian American activist and learned only later of her ties to the DNC. He said the embassy considered her requests an inappropriate solicitation of interference in the U.S. election.

    In a FOIA early this year it uncovered emails from Burisma to Obama/Kerry State Department where Hunter Biden's name was being used as leverage to get meetings with top persons in the Obama administration. The emails were printed in the WSJ.

    Yesterday George Kent testified that he found Hunter Biden's position at Burisma to be unethical and reported it to the Obama WH.

    The whole thing stinks to high heaven and I for one am glad to know that Durham is investigating it.

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    Re: Riddle Me This, Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by 3leftsdoo View Post
    If it doesn't fit, you MUST acquit!



    What the Democrats have = Nothing
    Interesting comparison.

    Most people now believe that the glove was a distraction. OJ was guilty despite the glove.

    Trump is in the same boat now. Depending on his jury to nullify the facts.

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