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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by ultmd View Post
    "A number of respected people"????

    Two guys named "Peter Arnone"and "Thomas Ryan"...and some anonymous blog post author by "Community Member"?



    Respected....by whom?

    In the REAL WORLD, most "respected people" already rank Trump as one of the 3 worst Presidents in history. He'll soon be impeached. And when he leaves office, he'll be quickly indicted by at least one state.
    Quit blabbling the Marxist talking points. Neither you nor any of these leftwing 'historians' can name a reason why Trump is the 'worst president'. A guy who can build the BEST economy in history can in no way be the worst president.
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by Pound4abrown View Post
    If by "historian" you mean "opiate addict" I would probably agree.
    Wow. As if that comment made any sense or had any bearing on the topic.
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    So Truman was not expected to win but he won and this wasnt a political upset because????

    American History: Truman Wins the Election of 1948
    It definitely was a upset, you're right! My mother used to talk about that race a lot. Dad was for Dewey & ma was for Truman and when they found
    out that Truman won they both were pleased Truman won. However I still don't think it was as big an upset as Trump beating Mrs. Clinton was.

    I looked up the specifics of the 48 race & there was similarities to the 2016 election.

    1) A Democrat talking point was that they lost Pa, Mich & Wis by only 70,000 votes & if they won those states Clinton would have won while:
    Dewey lost Ohio, Cal & Ill by less than 60,000 votes with the margin of victory less than 1% in each state & with those 78 electorals Dewey would have won

    2) Dewey because he won Ohio in 1944 over Roosevelt was so certain of Ohio that he didn't campaign there like we heard so many times that Mrs. Clinton
    because Wisconsin had gone Democrat in the last 7 presidential elections similarly did not campaign there. Big mistakes by both.

    I think Truman became the underdog early on because it was felt that he would be damaged by third parties both who historically voted Democrat.
    The two third parties did not hurt Truman nearly as much as expected. Thurmond's Dixiecrats carried only four Southern states, a lower total than predicted.
    Wallace's Progressives received only 2.4% of the national popular vote, well below their expected vote total and slightly less than the Dixiecrats, and Wallace
    did not take as many liberal votes from Truman as many political pundits had predicted.

    An interesting footnote:
    As of 2019, this remains the last election in which Illinois and New Jersey have not voted for the same candidate.
    Last edited by slick; 11-15-19 at 01:37 AM.

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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    It definitely was a upset, you're right! My mother used to talk about that race a lot. Dad was for Dewey & ma was for Truman and when they found
    out that Truman won they both were pleased Truman won. However I still don't think it was as big an upset as Trump beating Mrs. Clinton was.

    I looked up the specifics of the 48 race & there was similarities to the 2016 election.

    1) A Democrat talking point was that they lost Pa, Mich & Wis by only 70,000 votes & if they won those states Clinton would have won while:
    Dewey lost Ohio, Cal & Ill by less than 60,000 votes with the margin of victory less than 1% in each state & with those 78 electorals Dewey would have won

    2) Dewey because he won Ohio in 1944 over Roosevelt was so certain of Ohio that he didn't campaign there like we heard so many times that Mrs. Clinton
    because Wisconsin had gone Democrat in the last 7 presidential elections similarly did not campaign there. Big mistakes by both.

    I think Truman became the underdog early on because it was felt that he would be damaged by third parties both who historically voted Democrat.
    The two third parties did not hurt Truman nearly as much as expected. Thurmond's Dixiecrats carried only four Southern states, a lower total than predicted.
    Wallace's Progressives received only 2.4% of the national popular vote, well below their expected vote total and slightly less than the Dixiecrats, and Wallace
    did not take as many liberal votes from Truman as many political pundits had predicted.

    An interesting footnote:
    As of 2019, this remains the last election in which Illinois and New Jersey have not voted for the same candidate.
    I dont think the Trump victory was more of an upset, I dont remember anyone thinking Truman had a chance and while the polls mostly favored Clinton there were some that favored trump.
    RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
    Also Trump lost the popular vote 46.1 to 48.2 while Truman had even more than Clinton with 49.6 in a 3 way race.
    Plus lets face it the headline pic showed how certain people were Dewey would win.
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by Pound4abrown View Post
    I actually know this (don't ask me how), but the answer is 73.
    I thought it was 42-or is that the answer to everything?

    42: The answer to life, the universe and everything | The Independent
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
    Furthermore, what I can't believe is that those who hate Trump still can't acknowledge he's a political genius.

    * Zero electoral experience at any level prior to 2016.
    * Underfunded and in the face of a hostile media - he beat the annointed GOP candidates and then beat heavily favored Hillary.

    There isn't 1 of 20 presidential candidates that could buy a headline right now.

    And people on here (who've been wrong about Trump at every step) have the audacity to suggest the guy isn't killing it? Please.
    More satire; excellent, keep it up. Maybe you could get a job writing comedy? "Political genius"
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by snakestretcher View Post
    More satire; excellent, keep it up. Maybe you could get a job writing comedy? "Political genius"
    If he's not a political genius, how do you explain his winning the presidency despite being a total outsider?

    Put your blind hatred aside for a moment, and examine facts.
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by Mashmont View Post
    If he's not a political genius, how do you explain his winning the presidency despite being a total outsider?

    Put your blind hatred aside for a moment, and examine facts.
    He gave lip service to gullible Evangelicals, and they took the bait hook, line, and sinker. Then, after he got them to drink his kool-aid, he laughed behind their backs, and outed himself as 'loving the uneducated'. Educate yourself as to who his base is.
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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Tread title: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Wonder if anybody has cross referenced the list of "respected people" that think Trump is the Greatest President ever with a list of people that think Trump should get the Nobel for Peace and Solomon deserves a Pulitzer for his horse crap. Bet you would see a good many of the same people.
    Remember when Trump rhetorically nominated himself for a Nobel Prize for setting up his pointless pageant with Kim Jong Un?

    And the rubes chanted “Nobel” for weeks until it became obvious that Trump got nothing out of the North Koreans.

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    Re: Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

    Quote Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
    He gave lip service to gullible Evangelicals, and they took the bait hook, line, and sinker. Then, after he got them to drink his kool-aid, he laughed behind their backs, and outed himself as 'loving the uneducated'. Educate yourself as to who his base is.
    I fully expect him to go on tour with Falwell, Graham, maybe Joyce Meyers or Joel, or some of the other television bible thumpers.

    And the evangelicals will throw their nickels and dimes at him, too.

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