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Anyone with a logical reason for outing the whistleblower other than to punish him?

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The GOP and Trump want to out the whistleblower and WHY? When the whistleblower's report came out the first thing that the GOP and Trump said was since the WB had no direct knowledge of what was said in the telephone call and thus his testimony if he was to give one would be nothing but hear say. So if he has no direct knowledge and his testimony would be "nothing" but hear say and thus worthless, why have him testify. The report he gave has been proven by other people who had knowledge of the telephone call and what happened before and after the call, including the president himself and Mulvaney. SO, my question to those out there is why have the WB testify except to out him so he can be punished. There have been death threats for the WB and his family by people unknown, but certainly they would have to be by those who support the president. The reason the WB law was put in place was to keep the identity of the WB safe and to insure that those who saw suspected wrong doing in our government could report it and have it investigated as was done in this case. SO give me a logical reason for outing the WB as would happen of any of the GOPers on the committee would learn of the WB's identity? Just another question, can you tell me with a straight face that if Nunes or Jordan discovered the identity of the WB, they would not report it directly to the president who wold happen to let it slip in his very next meeting with the press?
 
Hundreds of posts discussing it...

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I'd say some Republicans want the WB taken out.
 
independentusa said:
The GOP and Trump want to out the whistleblower and WHY? When the whistleblower's report came out the first thing that the GOP and Trump said was since the WB had no direct knowledge of what was said in the telephone call and thus his testimony if he was to give one would be nothing but hear say. So if he has no direct knowledge and his testimony would be "nothing" but hear say and thus worthless, why have him testify. The report he gave has been proven by other people who had knowledge of the telephone call and what happened before and after the call, including the president himself and Mulvaney. SO, my question to those out there is why have the WB testify except to out him so he can be punished. There have been death threats for the WB and his family by people unknown, but certainly they would have to be by those who support the president. The reason the WB law was put in place was to keep the identity of the WB safe and to insure that those who saw suspected wrong doing in our government could report it and have it investigated as was done in this case. SO give me a logical reason for outing the WB as would happen of any of the GOPers on the committee would learn of the WB's identity? Just another question, can you tell me with a straight face that if Nunes or Jordan discovered the identity of the WB, they would not report it directly to the president who wold happen to let it slip in his very next meeting with the press?
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The people have a right to hear him testify.
 
Revealing the WB's name might also shed light on why he or she whistleblew. Was it for noble "Trump is destroying the republic!" purposes, or was it purely partisan "this'll finally bring him down!" reasons?

Maybe even hurt Biden in the process since it breathed new life into the story about Biden abusing his office to get his idiot son a sinecure which was clearly a bribe, payoff for something, or just buying influence.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, they don't. Sad to see that someone would be so laughably misinformed as to actually assert they do.
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Stop commenting on things you are ignorant of.
 
In any case the WB's identity is already known to those in power. This is one of those secrets that is being kept from ordinary people - from me. I don't like it when the government keeps secrets from me and then tells me its for my own good.
 
independentusa said:
The GOP and Trump want to out the whistleblower and WHY? When the whistleblower's report came out the first thing that the GOP and Trump said was since the WB had no direct knowledge of what was said in the telephone call and thus his testimony if he was to give one would be nothing but hear say. So if he has no direct knowledge and his testimony would be "nothing" but hear say and thus worthless, why have him testify. The report he gave has been proven by other people who had knowledge of the telephone call and what happened before and after the call, including the president himself and Mulvaney. SO, my question to those out there is why have the WB testify except to out him so he can be punished. There have been death threats for the WB and his family by people unknown, but certainly they would have to be by those who support the president. The reason the WB law was put in place was to keep the identity of the WB safe and to insure that those who saw suspected wrong doing in our government could report it and have it investigated as was done in this case. SO give me a logical reason for outing the WB as would happen of any of the GOPers on the committee would learn of the WB's identity? Just another question, can you tell me with a straight face that if Nunes or Jordan discovered the identity of the WB, they would not report it directly to the president who wold happen to let it slip in his very next meeting with the press?
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One reason is to establish his credibility.

He claims to have 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay from individuals and has reported in his complaint what they said. Is he telling the truth? Did people really say that stuff? Heck, do those people actually exist? Or did he create them?

Another reason is to establish his motive.

Also, to find out if this entire complaint was his idea...or did someone else put him up to it.

I would also ask him what he knows about the actions of the ICIG in connection to his complaint...and then I'd call in the ICIG and ask HIM a few questions. After that, it would be Schiffty's turn in the barrel.
 
apdst said:
The people have a right to hear him testify.[/QUOT
I said a logical argument. That one is neither logical or lawful. There is no such right in our constitution and to out him violates the law and his testimony would be by the GOP's definition, hear say and thus worthless. Now try logic please.
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If the WB's identity were revealed, he'd be Epstein-ed right quick.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I'd say some Republicans want the WB taken out.
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Proof is in the pudding. The republicans can't defend against the WB report because they can't use the age old tactic Trump employs for everything; shoot the messenger. The rest is irrelevant.

I like how they sleezed Gym "Totally Knew" Jordan onto the panel for this. He acted like an entitled clown in the opening comments. All the republicans reeked of desperation.
 
Ikari said:
If the WB's identity were revealed, he'd be Epstein-ed right quick.
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Absolutely. The Trumpists cannot be trusted with protected information.
 
eman623 said:
Revealing the WB's name might also shed light on why he or she whistleblew. Was it for noble "Trump is destroying the republic!" purposes, or was it purely partisan "this'll finally bring him down!" reasons?

Maybe even hurt Biden in the process since it breathed new life into the story about Biden abusing his office to get his idiot son a sinecure which was clearly a bribe, payoff for something, or just buying influence.
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Have you ever thought that for no other reason the WB made the report was because the WB saw something he thought was wrong and reported it like he is supposed to do. He reported it to his superior as required by the WB law and then his superior was the one who investigated it and took it farther and determined it was urgent. Do you believe that everything everyone does has to be some kind of political act. If yo do I feel sorry for you.
 
eman623 said:
In any case the WB's identity is already known to those in power. This is one of those secrets that is being kept from ordinary people - from me. I don't like it when the government keeps secrets from me and then tells me its for my own good.
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If you were listening this morning you would know that only one person out side of the WB and his superior knows his name. You do realize the WB law prohibits the outing of the name? The reason for keeping it a secret is not for your own good, but that of the WB who Trump would surely punish if he knew his name.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I'd say some Republicans want the WB taken out.
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Including the Mobster in Chief.

Since September 20, Trump has tweeted almost 100 times about the whistleblower. And the pace has quickened in the past week, with Trump zeroing in on the whistleblower on 16 occasions.

Trump has assailed the whistleblower as a traitor and deep state operative.

In remarks made at the US mission to the United Nations on September 27, Trump compared the whistleblower to a “spy,” and added, “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? With spies and treason, right?”

This was a clear reference to execution: This guy deserves to die.

In recent tweets, Trump has approvingly quoted his defenders, who have accused the whistleblower of being corrupt and conspiring with Democrats to topple Trump, and Trump has blasted the whistleblower’s attorneys as “fake.” On Monday, Trump tweeted: “the Whistleblower, his lawyer and Corrupt politician Schiff should be investigated for fraud!”
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As Trump Attacks, Death Threats Against the Whistleblower and His Lawyers Increase – Mother Jones
 
Mycroft said:
One reason is to establish his credibility.

He claims to have 2nd and 3rd hand hearsay from individuals and has reported in his complaint what they said. Is he telling the truth? Did people really say that stuff? Heck, do those people actually exist? Or did he create them?

Another reason is to establish his motive.

Also, to find out if this entire complaint was his idea...or did someone else put him up to it.

I would also ask him what he knows about the actions of the ICIG in connection to his complaint...and then I'd call in the ICIG and ask HIM a few questions. After that, it would be Schiffty's turn in the barrel.
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The WB's credibility is not in question. The WB reported what he heard to his supervisor who was the one who did an investigation and found the report to be true and urgent. Trump also said he did it and Mulvaney said it was quid pro quo, which in laymen's terms is bribery. As in my P{ I already stated that the WB's information was hear say according to the GOP and Trump and they were right. So what "logical" reason is there for him to tesitify except to say he heard about the call and then reported it. The only logical reason for yo or the GOP and Trump to want him to teistify is so that he and those who told him of the call can be punished?
 
Obscurity said:
Proof is in the pudding. The republicans can't defend against the WB report because they can't use the age old tactic Trump employs for everything; shoot the messenger. The rest is irrelevant.

I like how they sleezed Gym "Totally Knew" Jordan onto the panel for this. He acted like an entitled clown in the opening comments. All the republicans reeked of desperation.
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Jordan should be in jail for his actions as coach at Ohio State. Allowing young men to be molested. A second witness has come forward, but you can be assured the GOP will stop anything from happening to Jordan, one of their "stars".
 
independentusa said:
Have you ever thought that for no other reason the WB made the report was because the WB saw something he thought was wrong and reported it like he is supposed to do. He reported it to his superior as required by the WB law and then his superior was the one who investigated it and took it farther and determined it was urgent. Do you believe that everything everyone does has to be some kind of political act. If yo do I feel sorry for you.
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Did you read my comment? It doesn't seem like it. I suggested that very possibility that the WB might have blown the whistle for noble causes.

But then an accurate reading would have short-circuited your fake outrage and fake pity. Whatever. Board rules forbid me to say what you can do with your pity.
 
Would anyone really be surprised if the whistleblower's name became public and he/she and their spouse and kids were shot? Or their house blown up?
 
independentusa said:
If you were listening this morning you would know that only one person out side of the WB and his superior knows his name. You do realize the WB law prohibits the outing of the name? The reason for keeping it a secret is not for your own good, but that of the WB who Trump would surely punish if he knew his name.
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I don't believe that. Maybe I'm cynical but I think it more likely you're being naive.

I'm quite sure Schiff knows. And his staff. And Pelosi and her staff. And probably a hundred others. Washington is too porous to keep secrets and those in power will use that power.

Ron Paul knows the WB's name. He recently said about the WB, " He worked for Joe Biden at the same time Hunter Biden was getting money from corrupt oligarchs." That by itself probably narrows it down enough to name the person. Worked for Biden, currently at the CIA, and was on the call. How many people fit that description?
 
eman623 said:
Did you read my comment? It doesn't seem like it. I suggested that very possibility that the WB might have blown the whistle for noble causes.

But then an accurate reading would have short-circuited your fake outrage and fake pity. Whatever. Board rules forbid me to say what you can do with your pity.
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You said noble reasons and then mentioned two that did not sound noble. Why should I pity you, that does not make sense? Everyone on this board has the right to their opinion and is allowed to write it whether I or anyone agrees with it.
 
independentusa said:
Jordan should be in jail for his actions as coach at Ohio State. Allowing young men to be molested. A second witness has come forward, but you can be assured the GOP will stop anything from happening to Jordan, one of their "stars".
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Jordan is a piece of trash.
 
eman623 said:
I don't believe that. Maybe I'm cynical but I think it more likely you're being naive.

I'm quite sure Schiff knows. And his staff. And Pelosi and her staff. And probably a hundred others. Washington is too porous to keep secrets and those in power will use that power.

Ron Paul knows the WB's name. He recently said about the WB, " He worked for Joe Biden at the same time Hunter Biden was getting money from corrupt oligarchs." That by itself probably narrows it down enough to name the person. Worked for Biden, currently at the CIA, and was on the call. How many people fit that description?
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According to the hearing this morning, only Schiff knows the name. I take them at their word as it was the GOPer who said so. You may be right, but i think if Rand Paul or any other GOper knew the real name it would have been in the papers days ago. Everyone is guessing who it is including Trump Jr. And the WB said he was not on the call, but heard about it from others and then reported what he heard. I would not believe anything that a GOPer would say as they think by trying to make the WB a Dem "spy" they can some how stop the impeachment. that train has left the station.
 
eman623 said:
Revealing the WB's name might also shed light on why he or she whistleblew. Was it for noble "Trump is destroying the republic!" purposes, or was it purely partisan "this'll finally bring him down!" reasons?
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First, how would knowing who he or she is tell you their reasons exactly?

Second, why do his (or her) reasons matter? Do the facts check out or not? The case being made does not involve them now. It's only based on witnesses you know.
 
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