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Let me get this straight. Millions of kids living in poverty, tens of millions saddled with student debt, perhaps as many as 100 Million are either without health care or in danger of losing everything (including health insurance) if they get sick, but it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about? Really?

Mark Cuban is latest billionaire to complain about Elizabeth Warren'''s wealth tax

Two billionaires explain why they shouldn'''t pay more taxes - Los Angeles Times

Bill Gates complains about paying ‘$100bn’ under Warren’s wealth tax plan | indy100



Sorry, but I'll always side with the poor children and other less fortunate people over billionaires. Must be the atheist in me. :doh
 
calamity said:
Let me get this straight. Millions of kids living in poverty, tens of millions saddled with student debt, perhaps as many as 100 Million are either without health care or in danger of losing everything (including health insurance) if they get sick, but it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about? Really?

Mark Cuban is latest billionaire to complain about Elizabeth Warren'''s wealth tax

Two billionaires explain why they shouldn'''t pay more taxes - Los Angeles Times

Bill Gates complains about paying ‘$100bn’ under Warren’s wealth tax plan | indy100



Sorry, but I'll always side with the poor children and other less fortunate people over billionaires. Must be the atheist in me. :doh
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Paying a 2 cent tax on every dollar isn't going to force any millionaire or billionaire into poverty. They will still enjoy a Michelin level dining experience, weekends on their private yachts and the best health care their money can buy. Dick Cheney comes to mind. He got a brand new heart very quickly and I'm sure 'jumped the line' of succession to get one only because of his power and money. But it's those same wealthy people who balk at food subsidies or free lunch programs for children in areas of high poverty.

I can see our country reaching a breaking point at some time in the distant future. It's exactly the same scenario that caused the Russian Revolution in 1917. If Trump gets away with his crimes this time, our Constitution isn't worth the paper it was written on. Essentially, he can do whatever he wants to do and nobody can stop him.
 
calamity said:
Let me get this straight. Millions of kids living in poverty, tens of millions saddled with student debt, perhaps as many as 100 Million are either without health care or in danger of losing everything (including health insurance) if they get sick, but it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about? Really?

Mark Cuban is latest billionaire to complain about Elizabeth Warren'''s wealth tax

Two billionaires explain why they shouldn'''t pay more taxes - Los Angeles Times

Bill Gates complains about paying ‘$100bn’ under Warren’s wealth tax plan | indy100



Sorry, but I'll always side with the poor children and other less fortunate people over billionaires. Must be the atheist in me. :doh
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"Must be the atheist in me"

Well, it isn't Christian values that has wealth distribution by the government away from those with less and to those with the most in American society.
 
HumblePi said:
Paying a 2 cent tax on every dollar isn't going to force any millionaire or billionaire into poverty. They will still enjoy a Michelin level dining experience, weekends on their private yachts and the best health care their money can buy. Dick Cheney comes to mind. He got a brand new heart very quickly and I'm sure 'jumped the line' of succession to get one only because of his power and money. But it's those same wealthy people who balk at food subsidies or free lunch programs for children in areas of high poverty.

I can see our country reaching a breaking point at some time in the distant future. It's exactly the same scenario that caused the Russian Revolution in 1917. If Trump gets away with his crimes this time, our Constitution isn't worth the paper it was written on. Essentially, he can do whatever he wants to do and nobody can stop him.
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I strongly agree with your first paragraph.

FYI the US Constitution became irrelevant long before DJT was in office. Elected officials have been committing high crimes and misdemeanors with no accountability long before DJT came on the political scene.
 
calamity said:
Sorry, but I'll always side with the poor children and other less fortunate people over billionaires. Must be the atheist in me. :doh
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Why do you label yourself a centrist then?
 
bluesmoke said:
"Must be the atheist in me"

Well, it isn't Christian values that has wealth distribution by the government away from those with less and to those with the most in American society.
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Right, Christian values let kids starve, die of disease and pay usury when they grow up so that the money changers can live lavishly. :roll:
 
Thoreau72 said:
I strongly agree with your first paragraph.

FYI the US Constitution became irrelevant long before DJT was in office. Elected officials have been committing high crimes and misdemeanors with no accountability long before DJT came on the political scene.
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Any president that has faced impeachment hearings under Congressional rules according to the Constitution have been impeached in the House.
 
Here's a good article to read regarding the left wing gibberish on billionaires.
Tomasky and Taxes | National Review
Question: Can Tomasky or anybody else describe the actual mode of “transfer” at work here? In what sense has money been transferred from the middle class to billionaires such as Bill Gates? And who did the transferring?

As is the case with most American billionaires, Gates’s vast fortune has its origin in the launching of a new business. When Microsoft made its initial public offering of stock, it created three billionaires and about 12,000 millionaires. That money came from stock investors, who traded their cash for equity in Microsoft. That was an excellent decision: An investment of $1,000 in Microsoft shares at the IPO would be worth more than $1.6 million today (assuming the reinvestment of dividends, etc.). The American middle class could stand some more victimization of that kind. If that is what getting ripped off looks like, then let’s have some more of the same.

The other way money is “transferred” to Microsoft and its shareholders is in the form of corporate income, which is used to pay both salaries to employees and dividends to shareholders. When it makes a sale, Microsoft gets cash, and consumers get copies of Office or Windows or whatever. If that is what is meant by “transfer,” then “transfer” is just a fancy word for “business.”
 
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HumblePi said:
Any president that has faced impeachment hearings under Congressional rules according to the Constitution have been impeached in the House.
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Yes, and....:confused:
 
Indulging in the most sophomoric kind of zero-sum analysis, Tomasky insists that the middle class is worse off because Gates is better off. But there is not really any evidence that that is the case. It is entirely possible to imagine a world in which Microsoft products did not exist and Microsoft profits did not exist, and Bill Gates was just another guy working in tech or finance or insurance. But the middle class would be worse off in that scenario, not better off: It would be deprived of Microsoft’s products, which consumers value (that is what makes Microsoft profitable) and also deprived of the jobs, tax payments, and secondary economic activity associated with Microsoft. Tomasky’s argument really does not stand up to a second’s scrutiny here.
The idea that there is some big national slop bucket marked “income” and that Gates et al. are grabbing up more than their fair share is breathtakingly primitive. A relatively small number of high-growth firms has accounted for a very large share of economic growth in the United States in the past several decades. That represents wealth creation, not a wealth transfer.

What makes this even more irksome is the fact that there has been a gigantic wealth transfer from the middle class and we know to whom it is that so much middle-class wealth has been transferred. And it isn’t Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.
 
Rats never learn. Their answer to poverty is a commie/socialist uprising and more government programs. Feed and exacerbate the problem...never solve the problem.

Its not enough for them that people like Bill Gates has employed millions, made millions and millions for millions. Provided careers and education opportunities for millions. Nor is it glaringly obvious to the rats and the idiot left that the commie socialist policies they invariably run to have provided NONE of those things. No...for the rats its always the same. Blame the productive members of society for their own failings and place the burden for resolving their problems on the productive members of society.

Ever and always the same. And history has proven...this never ends well.
 
KLATTU said:
Indulging in the most sophomoric kind of zero-sum analysis, Tomasky insists that the middle class is worse off because Gates is better off. But there is not really any evidence that that is the case. It is entirely possible to imagine a world in which Microsoft products did not exist and Microsoft profits did not exist, and Bill Gates was just another guy working in tech or finance or insurance. But the middle class would be worse off in that scenario, not better off: It would be deprived of Microsoft’s products, which consumers value (that is what makes Microsoft profitable) and also deprived of the jobs, tax payments, and secondary economic activity associated with Microsoft. Tomasky’s argument really does not stand up to a second’s scrutiny here.
The idea that there is some big national slop bucket marked “income” and that Gates et al. are grabbing up more than their fair share is breathtakingly primitive. A relatively small number of high-growth firms has accounted for a very large share of economic growth in the United States in the past several decades. That represents wealth creation, not a wealth transfer.

What makes this even more irksome is the fact that there has been a gigantic wealth transfer from the middle class and we know to whom it is that so much middle-class wealth has been transferred. And it isn’t Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg.
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The left has always looked at the accumulation of wealth as a zero sum game. Its ludicrous.

My 401K has been crushing it the last 3 months. I'm on the verge of bailing out to a safe holding pattern because who knows how much longer this can be sustained, but the gains I have made have been FANTASTIC. That hasnt cost Bill Gates a penny. It hasnt cost the poorest of the poor a penny.
 
calamity said:
Right, Christian values let kids starve, die of disease and pay usury when they grow up so that the money changers can live lavishly. :roll:
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Congress should be reminded of the words of the great Charles Dickens and the ghost of Jacob Marley in Scrooge. "I wear the chain I forged in life". What's coming is a denial of facts by Republicans that these dedicated government foreign service professionals will give. What's coming is forgiveness of Trump by Republicans for defying our Constitution and rule of law. Each of them is forging their own chain. They will, in some other time or space, wear those chains for eternity.

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VanceMack said:
Rats never learn. Their answer to poverty is a commie/socialist uprising and more government programs. Feed and exacerbate the problem...never solve the problem.

Its not enough for them that people like Bill Gates has employed millions, made millions and millions for millions. Provided careers and education opportunities for millions. Nor is it glaringly obvious to the rats and the idiot left that the commie socialist policies they invariably run to have provided NONE of those things. No...for the rats its always the same. Blame the productive members of society for their own failings and place the burden for resolving their problems on the productive members of society.

Ever and always the same. And history has proven...this never ends well.
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Must Protect Billionaires.

I dare the GOP to run on that slogan. Makes me wonder why they don't. :roll:
 
Thoreau72 said:
Yes, and....:confused:
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And......Since 1787, the United States Constitution has NOT been irrelevant. That's 100% pure, unadulterated Russia-speak.
 
calamity said:
Must Protect Billionaires.

I dare the GOP to run on that slogan. Makes me wonder why they don't. :roll:
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Yu don't need a catchy slogan to run against this idiot.lb191106cd20191105085917.jpg

Just a healthy dose of facts and common sense as were stated in the article I posted
 
calamity said:
Let me get this straight. Millions of kids living in poverty, tens of millions saddled with student debt, perhaps as many as 100 Million are either without health care or in danger of losing everything (including health insurance) if they get sick, but it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about? Really?

Mark Cuban is latest billionaire to complain about Elizabeth Warren'''s wealth tax

Two billionaires explain why they shouldn'''t pay more taxes - Los Angeles Times

Bill Gates complains about paying ‘$100bn’ under Warren’s wealth tax plan | indy100



Sorry, but I'll always side with the poor children and other less fortunate people over billionaires. Must be the atheist in me. :doh
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That said Gates has donated $28 billion to his philanthropic foundation.

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation - Wikipedia
 
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calamity said:
Must Protect Billionaires.

I dare the GOP to run on that slogan. Makes me wonder why they don't. :roll:
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What kind of fool looks at imposing a 20 billion dollar tax on someone as 'protecting' them?

But since you like slogans "Vote the Rat party...and well make the successful people responsible for carrying your sorry pathetic worthless ass through life"

That has a nice ring to it, dont you think?
 
VanceMack said:
The left has always looked at the accumulation of wealth as a zero sum game. Its ludicrous.

My 401K has been crushing it the last 3 months. I'm on the verge of bailing out to a safe holding pattern because who knows how much longer this can be sustained, but the gains I have made have been FANTASTIC. That hasnt cost Bill Gates a penny. It hasnt cost the poorest of the poor a penny.
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many in the left have become what I call wealth vandals. If they cannot have your wealth, they want to destroy it because they are envious that you are doing well. They aren't about comforting the afflicted-no matter how many crocodile tears they shed. They are about afflicting those who upset the wealth vandals by doing well
 
TurtleDude said:
many in the left have become what I call wealth vandals. If they cannot have your wealth, they want to destroy it because they are envious that you are doing well. They aren't about comforting the afflicted-no matter how many crocodile tears they shed. They are about afflicting those who upset the wealth vandals by doing well
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So, taxing Billionaires an additional 2 cents on the dollar is vandalism now? :lamo


Thanks for proving my point. From the op: "it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about"
 
VanceMack said:
What kind of fool looks at imposing a 20 billion dollar tax on someone as 'protecting' them?

But since you like slogans "Vote the Rat party...and well make the successful people responsible for carrying your sorry pathetic worthless ass through life"

That has a nice ring to it, dont you think?
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Beats, "Save a Billionaire, kill a child."
 
calamity said:
So, taxing Billionaires an additional 2 cents on the dollar is vandalism now? :lamo


Thanks for proving my point. From the op: "it's Billionaire rights we should be worrying about"
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It is never limited to billionaires. It ultimately will be anyone making more than the vandals think is enough. And if they are already paying 50C on a dollar it is too much given so many pay nothing
 
TurtleDude said:
many in the left have become what I call wealth vandals. If they cannot have your wealth, they want to destroy it because they are envious that you are doing well. They aren't about comforting the afflicted-no matter how many crocodile tears they shed. They are about afflicting those who upset the wealth vandals by doing well
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Its really tragic that they never quite get the point that all they have to do is work their ass of for a while and they can begin creating this for themselves and not ND the wealthy to carry their sorry asses through life. It is AMAZING to me that we can see immigrants...even illegal immigrants...that come here, bust their ass...SUCCEED...and then still have American citizens whining about how unfair life is and how no one can find success anymore.
 
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