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An epic ‘Meet the Press’ rant unmasks the real goal of Trump’s lies

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This gets to the heart of the Trump/Ukraine scandal



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-real-goal-trumps-lies/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

This is the important subplot lurking beneath the scandal headlines — that in leaving Ukraine vulnerable to Russia in order to strong-arm Ukraine into carrying out his own self-interested corrupt designs, Trump retreated from the United States’ posture of siding with Ukraine in a broader battle between liberal democracy and illiberal authoritarian kleptocracy.


And, for your right wingnuts/partisan hacks, "liberal democracy" refers to democracy in general, as in the opposite of authoritarian totalitarianism, as in classic liberalism ( if you don't know what that is, google it).

It does not mean liberal in the sense of leftist politics, nor has the term 'liberal democracy" ever meant that. It simply means a free and open society, unlike the authoritarian totalitarian unfree societies of USSR, etc. So, don't bother going there, it's false.
 
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As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.
 
Well we all know that with Trump, all roads lead to Russia.
 
This gets to the heart of the Trump/Ukraine scandal






And, for your right wingnuts/partisan hacks, "liberal democracy" refers to democracy in general, as in the opposite of authoritarian totalitarianism, as in classic liberalism ( if you don't know what that is, google it).

It does not mean liberal in the sense of leftist politics, nor has the term 'liberal democracy" ever meant that. It simply means a free and open society, unlike the authoritarian totalitarian unfree societies of USSR, etc. So, don't bother going there, it's false.

TDSer: "I don't agree with Trump's policies...IMPEACH HIM!!!"
 
TDSer: "I don't agree with Trump's policies...IMPEACH HIM!!!"

TDSer: "It doesn't matter what Trump has done, it's all some Deep State plot against his Presidency!"
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

Even when the "retreat" endangers national security?
 
This gets to the heart of the Trump/Ukraine scandal






And, for your right wingnuts/partisan hacks, "liberal democracy" refers to democracy in general, as in the opposite of authoritarian totalitarianism, as in classic liberalism ( if you don't know what that is, google it).

It does not mean liberal in the sense of leftist politics, nor has the term 'liberal democracy" ever meant that. It simply means a free and open society, unlike the authoritarian totalitarian unfree societies of USSR, etc. So, don't bother going there, it's false.

The beautiful thing about the internet is that if you really want validation for your opinion you can find it somewhere, no matter how removed from reality it is.
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

It would seem that the POTUS does have the duty to spend money appropriated by congress for its intended purposes in a timely manner. While there may be valid reasons for not doing so, there are also proper legal procedures set forth for doing that as well. The question soon to be placed before the US Senate is: does Trump deserve to be removed from office for illegally delaying that foreign aid funding?
 
This gets to the heart of the Trump/Ukraine scandal






And, for your right wingnuts/partisan hacks, "liberal democracy" refers to democracy in general, as in the opposite of authoritarian totalitarianism, as in classic liberalism ( if you don't know what that is, google it).

It does not mean liberal in the sense of leftist politics, nor has the term 'liberal democracy" ever meant that. It simply means a free and open society, unlike the authoritarian totalitarian unfree societies of USSR, etc. So, don't bother going there, it's false.

Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.
It seems that Presidents do have an obligation to honor our nation's current and previous agreements.
The obligation comes from the President's inherent obligations to protect the interests of the United States.

It's obviously in the United States' interests to be able to make agreements with foreign nations. [ Let me know if this is controversial to you. ]
If the US is to be able to make agreements with other countries, then other countries need to see the US as a reliable partner in agreements made.
This need to be a reliable actor on the world stage is an interest of the United States'.
The President has an obligation to protect the interests of the United States.

Fyi, fwiw, this is different than saying that every president must do only what the previous presidents did. So, you can skip that rebuttal if you like and move on to the next option.
A duty to maintain the policies of past Administrations does exist. That's all I am saying.
Ain't saying the policies of past Admins etc are carved in ironclad stone.
Just that the obligation to protect US implies a duty to honor past agreements and arrangements.
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

He does have the duty to implement American policy, not his policy.
 
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Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.
Are monied special interests more persuasive and valuable to elected officials and party officials than members of the electorate?

If you think (like some Trump supporters and others do) that big-money special interests have significantly distorted the American political sphere, then you may only be arguing about the matter of degree to which the US is an oligarchy (or something else) rather than a "real democracy".
 
Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.

As opposed to baby orange man claiming he won the popular vote and then wasting taxpayer funds on it?
 
Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.

Ironically, they scream about defending our democracy while trying their level best to remove a duly-elected President.
 
Ironically, they scream about defending our democracy while trying their level best to remove a duly-elected President.
If Trump is removed via impeachment, he will be a duly-removed President.

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There's not really a coup going on fyi.
That's not what coup actually means, fwiw.
 
Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.

Retreating from a liberal democracy and moving towards authoritarian State favoring Putin is not something you should support as well, nor should anyone for that matter
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

This has nothing to do with any change in foreign policy.

That isn’t what Trump was doing.

What he was doing was siding with the Russians, who would love to take over Ukraine, and have invaded the country with that intent.

Trump aims to help by undermining the public support the US has offered, and the Congress has authorized.

And he has tried to leverage Ukranian vulnerability by degrading them in public (sending Perry instead of Pence to Zalensky’s inauguration when the Ukrainians wouldn’t play ball with Trump’s Hunter Biden scheme right away),and sitting on previously appropriated military aid, for the same purpose.

This isn’t about foreign policy.

No discussion regarding a shift in American foreign policy towards Ukraine was ever discussed with anyone.
 
Whenever any election, anywhere, doesn’t go how liberals want it to, liberals immediately respond by claiming that the country isn’t a real democracy. It’s tiresome, and people aren’t falling for it anymore.

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The beautiful thing about the internet is that if you really want validation for your opinion you can find it somewhere, no matter how removed from reality it is.

That point fits your posts a lot more than his post. What he said is quite correct about what the word 'liberal' means in the context of democracy versus authoritarian.
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

Trump has a duty to protect our national interests and it is not up to him to decide what they are. He is not King. He cannot surrender this country to Putin no matter how much he wants to.
 
Are monied special interests more persuasive and valuable to elected officials and party officials than members of the electorate?

Absolutely - except for progressive politicians.
 
Trump has a duty to protect our national interests and it is not up to him to decide what they are. He is not King.

Presidents have a lot of power in our foreign policy, but the ultimate power is with Congress, as expressed through declaring war, passing treaties, spending money, etc.
 
As President, Trump can "retreat" pretty much at will from foreign countries if he so desires. He has no duty to maintain the policies of past administrations. Likewise, the next President will have no duty to maintain the policies of the current administration.

He has a duty to promote the liberal democracy that the declaration of independence and the framing of the constitution created.

All presidents have a duty to do that, and it has nothing to do with right or left, as the OP didn't have anything to do with the right or the left

The OP reveals that Trump is doing the opposite.

You missed the point entirely.
 
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