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Vandalism Of Trump Protest Balloon Raises Questions About Democrats & Free Speech

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Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?

Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?

We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.

And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."

Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.

Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?

Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?

Inquiring minds are inquiring.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?

Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?

We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.

And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."

Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.

Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?

Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?

Inquiring minds are inquiring.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe not. Up to you to prove it.
One thing for sure, though, Trump had the charitable Trump Foundation watching his back. He was just fined 2 mil for siphoning money raised for Vets and using it for his campaign.
Also spent 11K and change of that money on Tim Tebow memorabilia and 10 grand on a portrait of himself. The judge made him pay that back but he probably got to keep the helmet and painting..

Donald Trump fined $2m for misusing charity for political ends | US news | The Guardian

Odd, innit, how stuff that would have ended political careers just a couple years ago barely gets noticed these days.
 
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3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?
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It wasn't. Shoulda, coulda, woulda is meaningless and does not apply.
 
Which side of damaging someone else's property is the OP on?
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?

Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?

We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.

And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."

Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.

Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?

Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?

Inquiring minds are inquiring.
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Inquiring about stupid **** that did not happen is stupid.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?
Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?
We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.
And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."
Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.
Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?
Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?
Inquiring minds are inquiring.
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Democrats aren't bad enough?

You have to create imaginary hypothetical universes for them to be bad in as well?
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?

Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?

We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.

And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."

Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.

Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?

Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?

Inquiring minds are inquiring.
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I also wonder what Stalin woukd have done. Or perhaps Pinochet....Caligula?

But i'm sure the Democrsts would have declated martial law. That's what you wanted to hear right?
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, maybe, maybe not. Up to you to prove it.
One thing for sure, though, Trump had the charitable Trump Foundation watching his back. He was just fined 2 mil for siphoning money raised for Vets and using it for his campaign.
Also spent 11K and change of that money on Tim Tebow memorabilia and 10 grand on a portrait of himself. The judge made him pay that back but he probably got to keep the helmet and painting..

Donald Trump fined $2m for misusing charity for political ends | US news | The Guardian

Odd, innit, how stuff that would have ended political careers just a couple years ago barely gets noticed these days.
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What does that have to do with the topic of the thread? Jack and ****, so far as any rational person can figure.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Which side of damaging someone else's property is the OP on?
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I thought this....
"Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?"
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...was his description of the knife wielding free speech proponent.
 
Fishking said:
What does that have to do with the topic of the thread? Jack and ****, so far as any rational person can figure.
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I took a line out of the OP and rebutted it. It's a biggish original post with several points. You don't like me just responding to one line? Tough ****. Go pound sand.
And stop trying to speak for rational people. We don't appreciate it.
 
Trump said:
Like RussiaGate and UkraineGate....agree
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Trump never had to go out of his way to work or learn anything. His parents never felt the need to challenge Trump in any way. Trump was never intellectually challenged and has lived his whole life in a bubble.

That is why he talks and constructs sentences like a first-grader--because he simply is not smart although luck seems to follow him.

All his life he has automatically gotten what he wanted so he is not used to other people challenging him or his claims. So now what he wants he throws tantrums to persuade others to think he is right. It seem like he never grew up intellectually past the age of 5.

The most disturbing part of all this are the people who blindly support the guy.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, maybe, maybe not. Up to you to prove it.
One thing for sure, though, Trump had the charitable Trump Foundation watching his back. He was just fined 2 mil for siphoning money raised for Vets and using it for his campaign.
Also spent 11K and change of that money on Tim Tebow memorabilia and 10 grand on a portrait of himself. The judge made him pay that back but he probably got to keep the helmet and painting..

Donald Trump fined $2m for misusing charity for political ends | US news | The Guardian

Odd, innit, how stuff that would have ended political careers just a couple years ago barely gets noticed these days.
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^ ^Confused about what the topic is...
 
3leftsdoo said:
^ ^Confused about what the topic is...
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Sorry to burst your balloon (snicker!) but I was adressing this from your post... "We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events."
by pointing out that Trump uses donations to his charity to cover campaign expenses.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?

Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?

We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.

And of course the successful attempts in other instances to shut down conservative/right-wing free speech based in "security concerns."

Prohibitive/excessive permit fees are a growing favorite as well.

Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?

Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?

Inquiring minds are inquiring.
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This is a weirdly trollish thread, with a foundation of nothing but hypotheticals and unsubstantiated speculation. What are you really looking for here?
 
OlNate said:
This is a weirdly trollish thread, with a foundation of nothing but hypotheticals and unsubstantiated speculation. What are you really looking for here?
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Deception, Deflection, Denial – the 3-D’s of the Trumpeteer. This is a use of deception and deflection to make a strawman argument in order to attempt to portray Democrats as being far more sinister than they are being, all while deflecting away from a Trumpeteers vandalism and attack on free speech.

BTW, I do recall that during Obama’s tenure, there were protests that showed him hung in effigy, and I’m pretty sure that wasn’t shut down as the OP would like to pretend.
 
The man was demonstrating his right to free speech against an offensive object, like liberals burn American flags.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Were this an Obama, Warren or Biden protest balloon, would Democrats have already found a means of grounding it?
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No.

Maybe you should recall how Democrats didn't shut down Tea Party or Trump or other Republican rallies. What a concept, huh?


Why use a knife when a political operative is vastly more effective?
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What the what?


We've seen Democrat mayors attempting to extort vast sums from Trump - in one case, 25 times that which was charged Obama - for public events.
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No, what we've seen is the Trump campaign refuse to pay its bills. Everyone else (Democrat and Republican) usually pay what they owe cities for venues and additional security.


Macy's Thanksgiving balloons have famously injured and killed in the past; how difficult would it have been for Democrats to use this excuse to ground three-dimensional protest sent aloft by conservative factions?
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:roll:


Conservatives being more practical, honest and hands-on went for a more direct, private-sector approach in expressing their displeasure with this childish taunting device, but what would Democrats have done to quash this free speech?
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Ooookay....

So instead of accepting that one specific individual violated both the law and our democratic norms in an attempt to suppress freedom of political speech, you instead defend what that individual did, and are trying to accuse Democratic officials of censorship based on something they have never actually done. That's your idea of a valid argument? Are you for reals?
 
Logical1 said:
The man was demonstrating his right to free speech against an offensive object, like liberals burn American flags.
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:roll:

Your claim was already decimated in your own thread on that topic.

If I purchase a flag, then I own it. It does not belong to the state or to you or anyone else. Thus, it is my prerogative to destroy it as an act of political protest, even if that offends you.

In this case, the man damaged an object that he did not own. He had no right to damage it. He was not engaging in free speech, he was vandalizing someone else's property in an attempt to suppress the political speech of someone whose opinion he disliked. See how that works?
 
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