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Health and wealth

Good4Nothin

Good4Nothin

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What contributes to a long and healthy life? Annual checkups? Affordable health insurance? Cholesterol-lowering drugs? Flu shots? Access to the best medical doctors?

Wealth correlates with health -- I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.

But is it because of the reasons listed above? I very much doubt it.

Poor people are more likely to be stressed, to not have enough time for sleep and exercise. To not know the importance of good nutrition and not smoking.

So poor people are less healthy and don't live as long. Not necessarily because they can't afford the best surgeons when they need bypass surgery.

The moral of this post is -- if you are worried that good health insurance is only available to the rich, you should wonder if that really matters all that much. Is it medical doctors who provide us with health, or is health mostly DIY?
 
Good4Nothin said:
Wealth correlates with health -- I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.
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True. Also, when you don't have adequate health insurance, you are much less likely seek medical care when you need it and much more likely to skip on taking expensive medications.

I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.
 
Good4Nothin said:
What contributes to a long and healthy life? Annual checkups? Affordable health insurance? Cholesterol-lowering drugs? Flu shots? Access to the best medical doctors?

Wealth correlates with health -- I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.

But is it because of the reasons listed above? I very much doubt it.

Poor people are more likely to be stressed, to not have enough time for sleep and exercise. To not know the importance of good nutrition and not smoking.

So poor people are less healthy and don't live as long. Not necessarily because they can't afford the best surgeons when they need bypass surgery.

The moral of this post is -- if you are worried that good health insurance is only available to the rich, you should wonder if that really matters all that much. Is it medical doctors who provide us with health, or is health mostly DIY?
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Obviously access to adequate healthcare is a considerable factor in health and life expectancy, despite there being other important, lifestyle related factors.
 
Good4Nothin said:
What contributes to a long and healthy life? Annual checkups? Affordable health insurance? Cholesterol-lowering drugs? Flu shots? Access to the best medical doctors?

Wealth correlates with health -- I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.

But is it because of the reasons listed above? I very much doubt it.

Poor people are more likely to be stressed, to not have enough time for sleep and exercise. To not know the importance of good nutrition and not smoking.

So poor people are less healthy and don't live as long. Not necessarily because they can't afford the best surgeons when they need bypass surgery.

The moral of this post is -- if you are worried that good health insurance is only available to the rich, you should wonder if that really matters all that much. Is it medical doctors who provide us with health, or is health mostly DIY?
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Wealth and health are absolutely correlated. Having a healthy lifestyle does not cost money. Exercising, limiting caloric intake and sleep are all freely available to everyone.

Poor people are exposed to many more unhealthy lifestyles, over eating, drugs, drinking, smoking, watching too much tv, playing too much video games, and such that reduce their overall health. T

Added problems with poor people are noise pollution, air pollution and water pollution.

When you do get sick, the quality of medical staff in the neighborhood is probably lower than that of the rich neighborhoods.
 
Good4Nothin said:
The moral of this post is -- if you are worried that good health insurance is only available to the rich, you should wonder if that really matters all that much. Is it medical doctors who provide us with health, or is health mostly DIY?
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I guess I should just tell my grandma that she should have taken more spin classes instead of working 60+ hours a week to support her children if she didn't want to be dying of heart disease.
 
CMPancake said:
I guess I should just tell my grandma that she should have taken more spin classes instead of working 60+ hours a week to support her children if she didn't want to be dying of heart disease.
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I don't know why you're being sarcastic. I SAID that poor people are too busy working to have a healthy lifestyle.
 
Slavister said:
True. Also, when you don't have adequate health insurance, you are much less likely seek medical care when you need it and much more likely to skip on taking expensive medications.

I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.
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I haven't seen any evidence that separates medical care from lifestyle.

Poor people do have access to emergency medical care. Preventative medical care (cholesterol-lowering drugs, etc.) is probably NOT important in promoting health.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I haven't seen any evidence that separates medical care from lifestyle.

Poor people do have access to emergency medical care. Preventative medical care (cholesterol-lowering drugs, etc.) is probably NOT important in promoting health.
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Sometimes emergency medical care is too late if problem is not addressed sooner. Like a little lump you find somewhere on your body or a little unusual cough you figure may or may not be important, etc. When it costs you $$ hundreds of dollars to check it out without insurance, poorer people are less likely to go.

Same with taking pills - ' I am feeling fine and each pill costs me $50, so I'll skip it today '
 
Slavister said:
True. Also, when you don't have adequate health insurance, you are much less likely seek medical care when you need it and much more likely to skip on taking expensive medications.

I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.
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As Good was trying to point out, it is the poor's lifestyle that is more responsible for their health than healthcare. Now you can blame poverty for it but it is much harder to blame healthcare for it. Poor people have less self esteem, don't eat right and are more obese, smoke more, use more alcohol, and use more drugs.
 
Good4Nothin said:
What contributes to a long and healthy life? Annual checkups? Affordable health insurance? Cholesterol-lowering drugs? Flu shots? Access to the best medical doctors?

Wealth correlates with health -- I am not going to search for evidence, you can do that yourself if you don't believe it.

But is it because of the reasons listed above? I very much doubt it.

Poor people are more likely to be stressed, to not have enough time for sleep and exercise. To not know the importance of good nutrition and not smoking.

So poor people are less healthy and don't live as long. Not necessarily because they can't afford the best surgeons when they need bypass surgery.

The moral of this post is -- if you are worried that good health insurance is only available to the rich, you should wonder if that really matters all that much. Is it medical doctors who provide us with health, or is health mostly DIY?
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i am getting into organics and learning about herbs and spices.
 
Good4Nothin said:
I haven't seen any evidence that separates medical care from lifestyle.

Poor people do have access to emergency medical care. Preventative medical care (cholesterol-lowering drugs, etc.) is probably NOT important in promoting health.
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lol... you know how weird it is to capitalize NOT after "probably", right?

Ah well, you're an anti-vaxxer, you've already given up on science.
 
Slavister said:
Sometimes emergency medical care is too late if problem is not addressed sooner. Like a little lump you find somewhere on your body or a little unusual cough you figure may or may not be important, etc. When it costs you $$ hundreds of dollars to check it out without insurance, poorer people are less likely to go.

Same with taking pills - ' I am feeling fine and each pill costs me $50, so I'll skip it today '
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Yes, all that CAN happen. But it might be only a small fraction of cases.

The medical industry tells us preventative medicine is necessary for long and healthy life, for the average person. I think a long and healthy life depends mostly on genetics and lifestyle.

And most of the pills given now days probably do more harm than good.
 
Moderate Right said:
As Good was trying to point out, it is the poor's lifestyle that is more responsible for their health than healthcare. Now you can blame poverty for it but it is much harder to blame healthcare for it. Poor people have less self esteem, don't eat right and are more obese, smoke more, use more alcohol, and use more drugs.
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Right. Poor people need better education and better jobs. Better health insurance and access to expensive drugs and surgery is not the long term solution.
 
danielpalos said:
i am getting into organics and learning about herbs and spices.
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That will probably benefit your health a lot more than what the drug companies are selling.
 
OlNate said:
lol... you know how weird it is to capitalize NOT after "probably", right?

Ah well, you're an anti-vaxxer, you've already given up on science.
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If what you call "science" is the medical industry, then yes I am pretty skeptical.
 
Slavister said:
Sometimes emergency medical care is too late if problem is not addressed sooner. Like a little lump you find somewhere on your body or a little unusual cough you figure may or may not be important, etc. When it costs you $$ hundreds of dollars to check it out without insurance, poorer people are less likely to go.

Same with taking pills - ' I am feeling fine and each pill costs me $50, so I'll skip it today '
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Perhaps the real problem is that it costs hundreds of dollars to check out a little lump or unusual cough. Would that be possible without medical care insurance?
 
Good4Nothin said:
If what you call "science" is the medical industry, then yes I am pretty skeptical.
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Based on what? How many years of education have you undergone, to give you this special knowledge? What qualifications do you posses, to where anyone should listen to you about medical matters? Opinion is one thing, but your smug presentation suggests that you actually think you're right. Based on what?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps the real problem is that it costs hundreds of dollars to check out a little lump or unusual cough. Would that be possible without medical care insurance?
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Yes, it's possible, like it's done in the rest of the developer world.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Perhaps the real problem is that it costs hundreds of dollars to check out a little lump or unusual cough. Would that be possible without medical care insurance?
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Medical care has become unaffordable because of health insurance.
 
OlNate said:
Based on what? How many years of education have you undergone, to give you this special knowledge? What qualifications do you posses, to where anyone should listen to you about medical matters? Opinion is one thing, but your smug presentation suggests that you actually think you're right. Based on what?
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Ohhh! I see! Only medical "experts" are allowed to have an opinion on health. The rest of us are trusting sheep. We must take whatever they give us, because we "know" they know everything and they always want the very best for us. They are NEVER EVER trying to make giant profits. They would NEVER EVER sell us pills that we don't need, or that could be harmful.

I get it. I will never question a medical professional again. Promise.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Medical care has become unaffordable because of health insurance.
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Indeed, and it will continue to be no matter who pays for such medical care insurance. We have the DoD as the single-payer for the MIC, but that did not reduce US defense costs to levels of other first world nations or eliminate MIC profits.
 
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