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Republicans HORRIFIED By Trump's Corruption

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So for you trumpsters out there --why aren't YOU horrified by Trump's corruption?

 
Horrified... no, more like Republicans are thrilled with the new levels of corruption that Trump brings to the table and seemingly getting away with.
 
horrified??

hell, they want more Mafia like corruption and meaner politicians to represent them.
 
Republicans HORRIFIED By Trump's Corruption
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he has eighty nine percent support among Republicans. it seems like the only thing that they are horrified about is that his tangerine ass might not have enough acreage available to accommodate all of their puckered lips at once.
 
OscarLevant said:
So for you trumpsters out there --why aren't YOU horrified by Trump's corruption?

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So should someone try to find a busload of "Democrats for Trump?" I'd bet there are a few out there. Would that cause Anti-Trump Democrats to wonder why they still hate him?

Neither Party is 100% in it's member support for Party leadership.

There were Republican's who didn't vote for Trump, and Democrats who didn't vote for Hillary.

Why you or anyone else thinks this tiny slice of Republican Americana validates allegations of "Trump corruption," or that his supporter's agree he is corrupt and are simply ignoring it escapes me.

Trump is the same man he was before election, although the office does wear on those who hold it. People who voted for him knew what they were getting, which is why his support numbers don't change much. :shrug:
 
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OscarLevant said:
So for you trumpsters out there --why aren't YOU horrified by Trump's corruption?

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Because his hateful pukes have enough faux outrage for the entire universe. :mrgreen:
 
As tRUMP himself said, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave in NYC, and his brown nosers wouldn't care.

Party over country.
 
Captain Adverse said:
So should someone try to find a busload of "Democrats for Trump?" I'd bet there are a few out there. Would that cause Anti-Trump Democrats to wonder why they still hate him?

Neither Party is 100% in it's member support for Party leadership.

There were Republican's who didn't vote for Trump, and Democrats who didn't vote for Hillary.

Why you or anyone else thinks this tiny slice of Republican Americana validates allegations of "Trump corruption," or that his supporter's agree he is corrupt and are simply ignoring it escapes me.

Trump is the same man he was before election, although the office does wear on those who hold it. People who voted for him knew what they were getting, which is why his support numbers don't change much. :shrug:
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I'd challenge you any day to find a busload of "Democrats for Trump". You're right about one thing, Trump is exactly the same man as he was before, and take this to the bank coming from someone who has known about Trump possibly for longer than you've been drawing breath, he's always been a sleazy, corrupt, arrogant racketeer.
 
OscarLevant said:
So for you trumpsters out there --why aren't YOU horrified by Trump's corruption?
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Maybe some people aren't "horrified" because the alternative would have been worse. Waaaaay worse.

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Some people act like the left side of the political spectrum are all canonized saints or something.
 
Captain Adverse said:
So should someone try to find a busload of "Democrats for Trump?" I'd bet there are a few out there. Would that cause Anti-Trump Democrats to wonder why they still hate him?

Neither Party is 100% in it's member support for Party leadership.

There were Republican's who didn't vote for Trump, and Democrats who didn't vote for Hillary.

Why you or anyone else thinks this tiny slice of Republican Americana validates allegations of "Trump corruption," or that his supporter's agree he is corrupt and are simply ignoring it escapes me.

Trump is the same man he was before election, although the office does wear on those who hold it. People who voted for him knew what they were getting, which is why his support numbers don't change much. :shrug:
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You don't think anyone who voted for him is surprised how corrupt he turned out to be? Lot's of people just voted for Trump to keep a SCOTUS nomination out of Hillary Clinton's hands. I bet some of them have been disillusioned. Take the Hillary gorgon out of the equation and they might sit this one out.
 
Court Jester said:
Maybe some people aren't "horrified" because the alternative would have been worse. Waaaaay worse.

impeach-hillary-clinton-constitutional-remedy-2.jpg



Some people act like the left side of the political spectrum are all canonized saints or something.
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Seriously? You had a choice between syphilis and leprosy. You chose leprosy but you got syphilis anyway.

What if the Democratic choice is less toxic this time around?
 
Grand Mal said:
Seriously? You had a choice between syphilis and leprosy. You chose leprosy but you got syphilis anyway.
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I didn't vote for Trump.

I didn't vote for Hillary either.


I guess for the first one I wanted plausible deniability just in case. And for the 2nd one I didn't want leprosy.



Grand Mal said:
What if the Democratic choice is less toxic this time around?
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There have been less toxic democrats than Hillary. I just have never voted for one because they had leprosy. Syphilis is easy not to catch. It's not like you can get syphilis off a toilet seat if you don't sit down on the toilet seat.
 
Can someone tell which of the democrats running for president can beat president Trump?

OK... this is why Trump will easily win reelection in 2020. :peace
 
Grand Mal said:
You don't think anyone who voted for him is surprised how corrupt he turned out to be? Lot's of people just voted for Trump to keep a SCOTUS nomination out of Hillary Clinton's hands. I bet some of them have been disillusioned. Take the Hillary gorgon out of the equation and they might sit this one out.
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You missed both points.

Point 1. Neither Party has ever fielded a candidate that had 100% support from all members of that Party. That's just common sense. So pointing to a tiny group who are disillusioned or were Never-Trump Republicans and then asking essentially "what's wrong with the rest of that Party" is fallacious.

Point 2. Your assertion of "corruption" is an opinion and not a fact. Something people seem to fail to realize. Recall that I presume innocence in such situations because I would hope to be presumed innocent if I were being accused of something. IMO this "corruption narrative" is a propaganda effort of the MSM, just another smear campaign tactic.

IMO, if every other political figure was subject to the same microscopic scrutiny by the MSM and the quick publication of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING potentially damaging, then NONE would be able to retain office.

Yes, I'm sure that people will dredge up this or that example of bad business practices, or sexual proclivities. But IMO unless his alleged corruption is related to his actual government position, which has yet to be proven, then what he may or may not have done as a private citizen (short of actual felonies) makes no never-mind.

What I see is a man who made certain promises that he has attempted to keep. One who entered into office without any political connections to the internal power structure, thus no established internal support systems. Who began to take steps like a bull in a china shop to openly accomplish his promises which upset the established order known colloquially as "the swamp." That for his effrontery they've been dead set on destroying him by any means necessary from day one.

So forgive me if I don't share your viewpoint.
 
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Court Jester said:
Maybe some people aren't "horrified" because the alternative would have been worse. Waaaaay worse.

impeach-hillary-clinton-constitutional-remedy-2.jpg



Some people act like the left side of the political spectrum are all canonized saints or something.
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Not really, we know she has baggage, but that being said, let's compare:

Name crap Hillary has done (that is unequivocal, no 'uranium one' bs ) that comes close to the following, which, by the way, is only a partial list:


Trump has been defecating on the Constitution since he took office, Trump, who called dissed gold star families, war heroes, believed dictators and not his intel staff, who has gutted the EPA, the State Department, and turned America's backs on agreements that took years to put together with foreign nations, tried to deport handicapped children who were invited to America to participate in treatment trials who would die but for the treatment, who put children in cages, who separated children from families such that they are now impossible to find the parents....

Trump who screwed thousands out of millions, who defrauded tax payers out of some 400 million, who screwed contractors out of millions, who tried to use eminent domain to screw a widow out of her house so he could build a limousine garage, who screwed the good townspeople of Aberdeenshire in order to build a golf course, who screwed workers out of hard earned money, who hired illegals in many of his hotels, who promised steel workers to bring back steel jobs while he was buying steel from china, who promised to self fund his campaign then started asking for money, who promised to release his taxes but never did, who has told over 13,000 lies to date, ...Trump, who recently was fined $2 million for misusing charity funds for personal use....Trump....

a man who schtupped a porn star while his newly wed wife gave birth, then had his lawyer pay her $130k to keep the press from finding out about it just before the election, whose lawyer went to jail for doing it while Trump was named unindicted co-conspirator in a felony, whose many staff when to jail for hatching corrupt schemes, a man who has turned on many his staff, friends, wives, who has experienced an 80% turnover in his staff since he took office,
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Court Jester said:
I didn't vote for Trump.

I didn't vote for Hillary either.


I guess for the first one I wanted plausible deniability just in case. And for the 2nd one I didn't want leprosy.





There have been less toxic democrats than Hillary. I just have never voted for one because they had leprosy. Syphilis is easy not to catch. It's not like you can get syphilis off a toilet seat if you don't sit down on the toilet seat.
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If you didn't vote for Hillary, that's equivalent to voting for Trump, for any vote that was not for Hillary, helped him, and if you didn't vote at all, thus not voting for her, that helped him, as well
 
Captain Adverse said:
You missed both points.

Point 1. Neither Party has ever fielded a candidate that had 100% support from all members of that Party. That's just common sense. So pointing to a tiny group who are disillusioned or were Never-Trump Republicans and then asking essentially "what's wrong with the rest of that Party" is fallacious.

Point 2. Your assertion of "corruption" is an opinion and not a fact. Something people seem to fail to realize. Recall that I presume innocence in such situations because I would hope to be presumed innocent if I were being accused of something. IMO this "corruption narrative" is a propaganda effort of the MSM, just another smear campaign tactic.

IMO, if every other political figure was subject to the same microscopic scrutiny by the MSM and the quick publication of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING potentially damaging, then NONE would be able to retain office.

Yes, I'm sure that people will dredge up this or that example of bad business practices, or sexual proclivities. But IMO unless his alleged corruption is related to his actual government position, which has yet to be proven, then what he may or may not have done as a private citizen (short of actual felonies) makes no never-mind.

What I see is a man who made certain promises that he has attempted to keep. One who entered into office without any political connections to the internal power structure, thus no established internal support systems. Who began to take steps like a bull in a china shop to openly accomplish his promises which upset the established order known colloquially as "the swamp." That for his effrontery they've been dead set on destroying him by any means necessary from day one.

So forgive me if I don't share your viewpoint.
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Very good explanation of the situation!
 
Captain Adverse said:
You missed both points.

Point 1. Neither Party has ever fielded a candidate that had 100% support from all members of that Party. That's just common sense. So pointing to a tiny group who are disillusioned or were Never-Trump Republicans and then asking essentially "what's wrong with the rest of that Party" is fallacious.

Point 2. Your assertion of "corruption" is an opinion and not a fact. Something people seem to fail to realize. Recall that I presume innocence in such situations because I would hope to be presumed innocent if I were being accused of something. IMO this "corruption narrative" is a propaganda effort of the MSM, just another smear campaign tactic.

IMO, if every other political figure was subject to the same microscopic scrutiny by the MSM and the quick publication of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING potentially damaging, then NONE would be able to retain office.

Yes, I'm sure that people will dredge up this or that example of bad business practices, or sexual proclivities. But IMO unless his alleged corruption is related to his actual government position, which has yet to be proven, then what he may or may not have done as a private citizen (short of actual felonies) makes no never-mind.

What I see is a man who made certain promises that he has attempted to keep. One who entered into office without any political connections to the internal power structure, thus no established internal support systems. Who began to take steps like a bull in a china shop to openly accomplish his promises which upset the established order known colloquially as "the swamp." That for his effrontery they've been dead set on destroying him by any means necessary from day one.

So forgive me if I don't share your viewpoint.
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Do you call siphoning funds from a charity to use in a political campaign corruption? Trump was just a few days ago fined for doing just that. Do you call setting up a phony 'university' with the sole purpose of bilking suckers corruption? Trump did just that.
The first example satisfies your "unless his alleged corruption is related to his actual government position, " caveat. The second addresses the moral character of the individual you support as your President.
How did it happen? How did the bar get set so low?
 
Court Jester said:
I didn't vote for Trump.

I didn't vote for Hillary either.


I guess for the first one I wanted plausible deniability just in case. And for the 2nd one I didn't want leprosy.





There have been less toxic democrats than Hillary. I just have never voted for one because they had leprosy. Syphilis is easy not to catch. It's not like you can get syphilis off a toilet seat if you don't sit down on the toilet seat.
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Syphilis may be easy to avoid but it never goes away. I'm talking now about conservatism. Put climate warming aside- I see the resurgence of the far right as being the biggest threat facing the world. Resurgence in developed industrial countries I mean. Conservatives, left to it, are liable to roll back all the advances of liberal democracy in one generation. If left to it.
 
OscarLevant said:
If you didn't vote for Hillary, that's equivalent to voting for Trump, for any vote that was not for Hillary, helped him, and if you didn't vote at all, thus not voting for her, that helped him, as well
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Clearly you have zero understanding of how the electoral vote works in Presidential elections. If I lived in a swing state what you are saying could be very true. Being that I live in a state which is so solidly a blue state, Hillary would have still won every electoral vote even if she was running against the Lord almighty himself. Therefore not voting for Trump in my case didn't give Hillary anything she didn't already have.


The popular vote tally was: Trump 62,984,828 Hillary 65,853,514

Hillary had almost DOUBLE the amount of votes than Trump got in just the state of California alone-- over 4 million more votes. To say that there was any chance for Trump to win in that state had every Republican (or independent) voted for him is a fantasy.
 
Grand Mal said:
Syphilis may be easy to avoid but it never goes away. I'm talking now about conservatism. Put climate warming aside- I see the resurgence of the far right as being the biggest threat facing the world.
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I suppose easy to say since you probably don't live in Venezuela or North Korea.


Grand Mal said:
Resurgence in developed industrial countries I mean. Conservatives, left to it, are liable to roll back all the advances of liberal democracy in one generation. If left to it.
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Oh I see, you don't really mean classic "liberal democracy", you mean democratic liberal progressive socialism don't you?
 
Grand Mal said:
Do you call siphoning funds from a charity to use in a political campaign corruption? Trump was just a few days ago fined for doing just that. Do you call setting up a phony 'university' with the sole purpose of bilking suckers corruption? Trump did just that.
The first example satisfies your "unless his alleged corruption is related to his actual government position, " caveat. The second addresses the moral character of the individual you support as your President.
How did it happen? How did the bar get set so low?
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This is a deflection, especially as you:

Captain Adverse said:
...dredge[d] up this or that example of bad business practices...
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But I'll humor you this time out of respect for your post history.

I am not well-read on this "charity issue." However, while I don't like whataboutisms, I could cite a number of politicians, even at least one past (very respected) President who happens to be Democrat, fined for campaign finance "malfeasance." Not a sign of "corruption," but to put the best face on it, perhaps a sign of bad judgement or other financial misunderstanding.

As for the second point? My understanding was Trump simply leased his "brand name" for an enterprise organized by two other businessman, and he was the major shareholder. But that was the extent of his involvement. All the "corruption" was done by the actual organizers. It was never an accredited "university," but rather a "seminar-style" training program offering 3 to 5 day seminars for real estate entrepreneur training. It did not award any degrees. Trump was the subject of lawsuits, and he did pay.

Business is business. He simply made a bad business decision trusting his "friends" to provide what they promised, and he paid for it. End of story. :shrug:
 
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OscarLevant said:
...and if you didn't vote at all...l
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In addition, I have ALWAYS voted in every election. Just because someone doesn't cast a vote on the top of the ticket is not to say they did not vote on the down ballot races.
 
The last substantive political conversation I had on facebook before I ditched that platform was when a man I know posted something along the lines of: If Hillary wins, we will have 4 years of scandals, investigations and an impeachment effort; if Trump wins, we will have 4 years of scandals, investigations and an impeachment effort. It was amazing how accurate he was.
 
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