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Crimes out of nothing

Mycroft said:
I can.

The Dems and the Trump haters have made up the notion that Trump is doing anything for political purposes and there is absolutely zero evidence that he is doing this.

If they continue to run with this nonsense and give it to the Senate, the Dems will lose big time.
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ROFL! You were supposed to name one thing the Dems made up. Obviously you can't, all you did was rant. Hilarious.
 
trouble13 said:
I dont feel like he was ever given a chance to unite people.

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He never asked for it. He never tried. He ran a campaign of hate & division, and parlayed it into a Presidency of hate & division. What do you expect to happen when you **** on people and treat them like ****? You don't earn their love, that's for sure!
 
Chomsky said:
That's the thing, L.M. It's not like he's failed to unite us. It's not even that he didn't try. It's that he actively tries his best to divide us! I find that unforgivable. It goes against everything I stand for.
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agreed. All one has to do is watch one of his hate rallies 'objectively' to discern you are speaking the truth. He's on record as stating he 'loves the uneducated' for good reason. Can you imagine the harm he would do as a lame duck President ?
 
Logician Man said:
As is passing massive debt to future generations, which isn't fair to those future generations. How is Trump paying for the almost one TRILLION dollars to upgrade our military, or 25 billion to build his Wall? We know he lied when he claimed Mexico would write the U.S. a check.
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Do you think FDR when speaking in lofty terms about national goals always had a end game figured out about how to get there? Politicians are supposed to be part showmen. When they are not then are just Jimmy Carter.

In terms of national debt, the best way to pay it down is to grow the hell out of the economy over at least a decade. But you don't do that under a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren plan.
 
Logician Man said:
agreed. All one has to do is watch one of his hate rallies 'objectively' to discern you are speaking the truth.
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His rallies are the worst things I've seen since my family fled Europe!

(obviously I wasn't around then)
 
lemmiwinx said:
Are you another one who thinks Putin elected Trump? People are rightfully laughing at that premise.
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All of our intelligence agencies as well as the Mueller report contradict your statement. Putin favored Trump and did interfere with the election thru social media. Why are you in denial ?
 
ludin said:
Alan Dershowitz: Congress is trying to 'create crimes out of nothing' | TheHill

One of the best legal minds today tells it how it is.
Guys if leftist of this country can do this to the president then they can do it to you as well.

This is why these people are dangerous to freedom and the constitution and a free society. The rule of law is not on their side.

Whether you're from New York or the middle of the country, you should be frightened by efforts to try to create crimes out of nothing," Dershowitz said Sunday on John Catsimatidis' radio show.

Well, I spent the afternoon yesterday searching the federal criminal statutes from beginning to end. I couldn't find the crime

"First they made up collusion... I searched the statute books. There's no crime of collusion... with a foreign country. After that ,they said obstruction of Congress," Dershowitz said.

"In a desperate effort to try to find crimes [committed by] President Trump, they're just making it up. And that means we are all in danger."

He is right. When our government is allowed to make up crimes no one is safe.
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I hate Dersh on so many levels, but he is spot on here. :thumbs:
 
Court Jester said:
Do you think FDR when speaking in lofty terms about national goals always had a end game figured out about how to get there? Politicians are supposed to be part showmen. When they are not then are just Jimmy Carter.

In terms of national debt, the best way to pay it down is to grow the hell out of the economy over at least a decade. But you don't do that under a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren plan.
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I'd like to see just how much the economy would need to grow, considering the 'tax cuts' Trump put into place to generate enough revenue to pay for a trillion dollar upgrade to the military, and pay for a 25,000,000,000 dollar Wall.....and make no bones about it, I'm all for keeping our military supplied with the best and most advanced weaponry, as well as taking care of our vets with the best healthcare available.
 
Chomsky said:
That's the thing, L.M. It's not like he's failed to unite us. It's not even that he didn't try. It's that he actively tries his best to divide us! I find that unforgivable. It goes against everything I stand for.
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It’s a matter of perspective. I don’t feel like he’s dividing us at all. But I sure as hell felt like Obama was. Maybe ya’ll should have paid more attention to your rhetoric instead of doubling down if you wanted anyone to care what you stand for.
 
3leftsdoo said:
I hate Dersh on so many levels, but he is spot on here. :thumbs:
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One doesn't have to be a 'Dersh'. or know much about legal/constitutional matters at all to discern Trump did a quid quo pro on that call to the Ukrainian President.
 
Aberration said:
It’s a matter of perspective. I don’t feel like he’s dividing us at all. But I sure as hell felt like Obama was. Maybe ya’ll should have paid more attention to your rhetoric instead of doubling down if you wanted anyone to care what you stand for.
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'Specifically', what divisive 'rhetoric' of Obama's are you speaking of ?
 
Logician Man said:
One doesn't have to be a 'Dersh'. or know much about legal/constitutional matters at all to discern Trump did a quid quo pro on that call to the Ukrainian President.
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Nope.
 
Chomsky said:
His rallies are the worst things I've seen since my family fled Europe!

(obviously I wasn't around then)
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Gives a whole new bringing to light as to what the term 'dumbing down of America' actually means, no doubt.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Nope.
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Maybe you missed it. The W,H. has basically admitted Trump did a quid pro quo w/Ukraine. Their latest spin is the quid pro quo doesn't rise to the level of 'high crimes/misdemeanors'. Trump sent his latest lip service minion out to inform Americans it is business as usual, and "just deal with it."
 
Aberration said:
It’s a matter of perspective. I don’t feel like he’s dividing us at all. But I sure as hell felt like Obama was. Maybe ya’ll should have paid more attention to your rhetoric instead of doubling down if you wanted anyone to care what you stand for.
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I don't really have any reason to believe you're not sincere here. In that case, it's absolutely amazing how different some of our perspectives are.
 
Logician Man said:
Gives a whole new bringing to light as to what the term 'dumbing down of America' actually means, no doubt.
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But it's not simply Trump's lies &, deception. But rather, the hate and anger exploding in the room. I really haven't seen anything like it in this country in a long time. Definitely not from a President!
 
Chomsky said:
But it's not simply Trump's lies. But rather the hate and anger seething in the room. I really haven't seen anything like it in this country.
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Neither have I, Chomsky. I remember when I was a little kid, and one of my relatives was running for the Senate or Governor. ( he was both, so I can't recall which at the time ). There was a parade down main street in that small Okie town, followed by a huge gathering of any/all in the municipal park for a big bar-b-q social gathering. There was nothing contentious at all at that gathering. And that was in one of the most conservative states in the nation back in the late 50's, early 60's when the town was still segregated.
 
Moot said:
Clear as mud....and mud is all you have.
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LOL. Seriously? Mud is all Democrats have had since day one. This is all going on right now because the Mueller report was nothing but mud, mud that didn't even stick to the wall. Now the left have a new mud formula. But, mud is still just mud.
 
Moot said:
I'm glad you posted that and saved me the trouble. Now note the bolded where it says "based on available information". So what about the information that wasn't available...because the corrupt Russian puppet, Poroshenko and his special prosecutor, Shokin had been advised by Giuliani not to talk to the Mueller investigators?


*A top US diplomat suggested in congressional testimony that President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, is connected to Ukraine's decision to freeze its investigation into Paul Manafort in 2017.

*The Washington Post first raised the possibility last week and said Trump's and Giuliani's quid pro quo with Ukraine this year may not have been the first of its kind.

*A timeline of key events in June 2017 shows Ukraine dropped its Manafort investigation days after Giuliani met with top government officials.

*After the investigation stalled, Ukraine's president at the time, Petro Poroshenko, secured a White House meeting with Trump.

*The Trump administration also finalized a sale of anti-tank missiles, called javelins, within days of the Manafort case being dropped.

Rudy Giuliani may have interfered in Ukraine investigation of Manafort - Business Insider​


Before Giuliani had his meeting with Ukraine's top officials in 2017....Ukraine was cooperating with the Mueller investigation into Trump's campaign manger, Manafort. But after Giuliani had a meeting with Ukraine officials and they stop cooperating and dropped their investigation into Manafort. So with the Ukraine investigation stalled, the Mueller team couldn't get all the information necessary to conclude that Trump's campaign had colluded with the Russians. But then, no case is ever really closed where justice is concerned...especially one that didn't have all the "available" information.
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2 1/2+ years of investigation, $40M, unlimited FBI investigatory resources, and your assertion is there's more condemning information to be found? I hardly think so.

Your asserting this casts doubt on the FBI's ability to investigate and Mueller's team's ability to formulate charged or indictments from the results of those investigations. After that expenditure of resources, your thinking that House Democrat oversight committee's can find something more? Not reasonable.

What you've cited are other people's opinions, opinions leaked from Schiff and the Democrats, because they perceive political benefit, while any other testimony which doesn't support their political narrative is suppressed, at least this is what is being stated by Republicans that are allowed to listen at those closed door committee hearings.

Further citations you've posted are little more than circumstantial, insufficient for impeachment. Going to have to be a bit more 'meaty' than this, given the seriousness of impeaching a legitimately elected president.
 
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