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    Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    No.

    Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream.

    Mussolini spent big on the public sector:

    A former school teacher, Mussolini’s spending on the public sector, schools and infrastructure was considered extravagant. Mussolini "instituted a programme of public works hitherto unrivaled in modern Europe. Bridges, canals and roads were built, hospitals and schools, railway stations and orphanages; swamps were drained and land reclaimed, forests were planted and universities were endowed".[21] As for the scope and spending on social welfare programs, Italian fascism "compared favorably with the more advanced European nations and in some respect was more progressive".[22] When New York city politician Grover Aloysius Whalen asked Mussolini about the meaning behind Italian fascism in 1939, the reply was: "It is like your New Deal!".[23]

    An expansive welfare state:

    By 1925, the Fascist government had "embarked upon an elaborate program" that included food supplementary assistance, infant care, maternity assistance, general healthcare, wage supplements, paid vacations, unemployment benefits, illness insurance, occupational disease insurance, general family assistance, public housing and old age and disability insurance.[24] As for public works, the Mussolini's administration "devoted 400 million lire of public monies" for school construction between 1922 and 1942, compared to only 60 million lire between 1862 and 1922.

    Along with state control over most of the economy:

    By 1939, Fascist Italy attained the highest rate of state ownership of an economy in the world other than the Soviet Union,[42] where the Italian state "controlled over four-fifths of Italy's shipping and shipbuilding, three-quarters of its pig iron production and almost half that of steel".
    Everything above is indisputably left wing, and anathema to people on the far right, like myself.

    Here's your boy on the issue of racism:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mussolini
    Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five per cent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.... National pride has no need of the delirium of race.
    On religion:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mussolini
    Religion is man-made to assist in controlling the weak minded individuals because during times of atrocity and despair they feel strength in numbers.

    Fascism, being a branch of socialism, is a collectivist ideology:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mussolini
    The state reserves the right to be the sole interpreter of the needs of society.

    While those of us on the right believe in individualism and capitalism.

    So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    The method of government is independent of its desired/imposed economic system. One can have a monarchy (or democracy) and socialism, capitalism or a mix.
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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    No.

    Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream.

    Mussolini spent big on the public sector:




    An expansive welfare state:




    Along with state control over most of the economy:



    Everything above is indisputably left wing, and anathema to people on the far right, like myself.

    Here's your boy on the issue of racism:



    On religion:




    Fascism, being a branch of socialism, is a collectivist ideology:




    While those of us on the right believe in individualism and capitalism.

    So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.


    Both Mussolini and Hitler had socialistic leanings, more-so Mussolini. However, they were both fascists and anti-socialist govt as they believed in a dictator with the private ownership/wealthy at the top in charge of society, whatever they may of said to do with "bettering" society. Very little done by those two fascist govts could be called socialistic. Hitler was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party dictator. Mussolini was early-on a socialist, but soon turned a strict fascist.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Fascism is right wing ideology taken to its extreme, and communism is left wing ideology taken to its extreme. For reasons that are historically obvious, these extremes are pretty terrible as they both allow for totalitarianism.

    There is currently zero danger of the country slipping into communism, but we are perilously close to slipping into fascism, which you can see by the party in charge having adopted a policy of total and unquestioned loyalty to one man above all laws or principle, and total acceptance of the narrative that this man is not only immune to indictment, but to investigation as well. That party has also fully swung into ultranationalism and xenophobism, two qualities that are super popular in fascist states.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fascism is right wing ideology taken to its extreme
    You're simply making an assertion without any supporting evidence.

    Making assertions is easy. I'll demonstrate:

    "The moon is made of blue cheese."

    See how easy it is? But if I had to support that assertion with evidence, I'd have a tough time.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    You're simply making an assertion without any supporting evidence.

    Making assertions is easy. I'll demonstrate:

    "The moon is made of blue cheese."

    See how easy it is? But if I had to support that assertion with evidence, I'd have a tough time.
    I supported it in the part of the post you snipped off.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I supported it in the part of the post you snipped off.
    Ok, here's the rest of it:

    and communism is left wing ideology taken to its extreme. For reasons that are historically obvious, these extremes are pretty terrible as they both allow for totalitarianism.

    There is currently zero danger of the country slipping into communism, but we are perilously close to slipping into fascism, which you can see by the party in charge having adopted a policy of total and unquestioned loyalty to one man above all laws or principle,
    Just like in many communist states.

    and total acceptance of the narrative that this man is not only immune to indictment, but to investigation as well. That party has also fully swung into ultranationalism and xenophobism, two qualities that are super popular in fascist states.
    As I stated in the op, fascism is just socialism with a nationalist bent. There have also been communist countries which pushed nationalism.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    Ok, here's the rest of it:



    Just like in many communist states.



    As I stated in the op, fascism is just socialism with a nationalist bent. There have also been communist countries which pushed nationalism.

    I have to go to work, I'll be back later.
    You seem confused. You’re saying that the Republican Party has slipped not into fascism, but communism.

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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by aociswundumho View Post
    No.

    Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream.

    Mussolini spent big on the public sector:




    An expansive welfare state:




    Along with state control over most of the economy:



    Everything above is indisputably left wing, and anathema to people on the far right, like myself.

    Here's your boy on the issue of racism:



    On religion:




    Fascism, being a branch of socialism, is a collectivist ideology:




    While those of us on the right believe in individualism and capitalism.

    So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.
    It all depends on how you define the terms left and right.

    Fascism is an extreme authoritarian ideology. Authoritarianism can be left or right.

    Where do you stand? What is your personal political philosophy? Take the test and find out. I came out slightly left of center, but close to the libertarian end of the authoritarian/libertarian scale.
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    Re: Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Fascism is right wing ideology taken to its extreme, and communism is left wing ideology taken to its extreme. For reasons that are historically obvious, these extremes are pretty terrible as they both allow for totalitarianism.

    There is currently zero danger of the country slipping into communism, but we are perilously close to slipping into fascism, which you can see by the party in charge having adopted a policy of total and unquestioned loyalty to one man above all laws or principle, and total acceptance of the narrative that this man is not only immune to indictment, but to investigation as well. That party has also fully swung into ultranationalism and xenophobism, two qualities that are super popular in fascist states.
    If one was to open the POTUS to indictment (any POTUS) this action would prevent the POTUS from doing his Constitutional duties, the is why the SCOTUS's opinion allows the POTUS to be free of indictments, except in the case of impeachment. If it were allowed to indict the POTUS then everyone who didn't like the POTUS could call for a indictment on any charge they wish to cast forward be it true or false. As far as investigation goes, the Congress does have the Constitutional authority to investigate a POTUS, however, once an indictment has been levied then the defense has the right of discovery, in other words, the defense has the right to see all the evidence of the charges being put forward. This process applies to impeachment proceedings also, Congress can not withhold evidence.
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