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Is Fascism a right wing ideology?

It can be far right on the political scale and people generally assiociate it as a rightwing ideology but it can apply to either side by its own definition.

fascist - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

If you know someone who's a*fascist, that person is probably into control. A*fascist*is a follower of a political philosophy characterized by authoritarian views and a strong central government — and no tolerance for opposing opinions

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Extreme Left-wing authoirtaisns are not fascists. That is authjortarioan communism. Facism is an extreme authoritarian government combined with underregulated capatalist economic policies.
 
I looked at that test and those questions are pretty loaded. They are too vauge to give concrete answers too.

For example the first question says:
If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

1.Strongly disagree*
2.Disagree*
3.Agree*
4. Strongly agree

It assumes economic globalization is a given but it does not define what that means. Then it offers an ultimatum in the form of a question as if the choice is either or.

My view is that trade between nations will always exist but i dont think its inevitable or even likely that the world will ever fall under one government and one monetary system. Its also my view that capitalism uses greed as an engine to serve the greater good of humanity.

Given the 4 options available to me. There isnt any way for me to accurately answer that question. If i said i disagree it would be honest but misleading in its conclusion or i could say i agree and its equally misleading.



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That's not what economic globalization really means, at least not to me. That the world economy depends on a complex system of trade is current reality.

But, it really is a kind of loaded question: Who is going to admit that they favor trans national corporations over humanity?
 
Fascism is a reasonable response to the specter of communist tyranny. If democracy is to fall, it is better for it to fall to those who do not hate the people.

and Fascists are all about love and kindness?
 
So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.

Guess what? Mussolini's fascist party drescribed themselves as right wing. Oops.

"We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a fascist century".
 
Was Hitler a humanitarian to you?

One bad apple. There were many fascists who were not Nazis.

Except to the various minorities who were killed under both Mussolini and Hitler.

Italy did not participate in the "final solution" until after Mussolini was deposed.

and Fascists are all about love and kindness?

Fascists almost without exception are intensely concerned with the welfare of their own people.
 
One bad apple. There were many fascists who were not Nazis.



Italy did not participate in the "final solution" until after Mussolini was deposed.



Fascists almost without exception are intensely concerned with the welfare of their own people.

FFS. Mussolini had his own people bombed in Guernica. Read a f*cking history book.
 
One bad apple. There were many fascists who were not Nazis.



Italy did not participate in the "final solution" until after Mussolini was deposed.



Fascists almost without exception are intensely concerned with the welfare of their own people.

Is fascism (authoritarian capitalism) something that you find attractive?

How are fascists concerned with the welfare of their people? Please give 3 examples of this occuring. How is Donald Trump intensely concerned with the welfare of Americans, especially those who are poor, aged or sick?
 
That's not what economic globalization really means, at least not to me. That the world economy depends on a complex system of trade is current reality.

But, it really is a kind of loaded question: Who is going to admit that they favor trans national corporations over humanity?
Thats what i was getting at in the term being to some extent amibigious. It means one thing to you and something else to me. The question fails to provide context and as you point its also loaded to sway you to answer a certain way, not many are gonna vote against humanity.

Ive taken these types of tests before because im honestly not sure where i fall on the political scale. My positions dont all neatly fit into 1 box and these tests have really never helped me narrow it down.

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One bad apple. There were many fascists who were not Nazis.



Italy did not participate in the "final solution" until after Mussolini was deposed.



Fascists almost without exception are intensely concerned with the welfare of their own people.

! Really?? Examples??
 
it must be obsolete in the US simply due to the concept of natural rights, we can always rely on the right wing to clamor for, in abortion threads.

Their motto seems to be "natural rights for me, not thee."
 
No.

Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream.

Mussolini spent big on the public sector:




An expansive welfare state:




Along with state control over most of the economy:



Everything above is indisputably left wing, and anathema to people on the far right, like myself.

Here's your boy on the issue of racism:



On religion:




Fascism, being a branch of socialism, is a collectivist ideology:




While those of us on the right believe in individualism and capitalism.

So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.

"A party governing a nation “totalitarianly" is a new departure in history. There are no points of reference nor of comparison. From beneath the ruins of liberal, socialist, and democratic doctrines, Fascism extracts those elements which are still vital. It preserves what may be described as "the acquired facts" of history; it rejects all else. That is to say, it rejects the idea of a doctrine suited to all times and to all people. Granted that the XIXth century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the XXth century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the " right ", a Fascist century." - Mussolini

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The never ending argument over what is left and what is right is a playground for mental midgets.
 
Fascism is right wing ideology taken to its extreme, and communism is left wing ideology taken to its extreme. For reasons that are historically obvious, these extremes are pretty terrible as they both allow for totalitarianism.

There is currently zero danger of the country slipping into communism, but we are perilously close to slipping into fascism, which you can see by the party in charge having adopted a policy of total and unquestioned loyalty to one man above all laws or principle, and total acceptance of the narrative that this man is not only immune to indictment, but to investigation as well. That party has also fully swung into ultranationalism and xenophobism, two qualities that are super popular in fascist states.

No, it's not.

In fact every element of Hitler's ideology for example has its origins in left wing ideology, if you're not familiar with the origins of the term "right wing" and "left wing" it goes to the days of the French National Assembly in the early years of the French Revolution, delegates who supported the king and the supremacy of the church sat on the right wing of the assembly, and supporters of all manner of murderous treason sat on the left.

The idea of nation states, ethnic supremacy, urban dominance of politics, etc were all born of revolutionary movements against the old monarchical order. Did Hitler restart the german monarchy? No, did he impose a state church? no, did he recreate a landed nobility who guided rural society? no....

like In what way was Hitler a traditional right winger?

If you want the perfect example of a true german right-winger, look up Klemens Von Metternich (who happens to be my avatar)
 
No.

Fascism is on the political left. It's just socialism with a nationalist bent. Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist and Italy under fascism was a progressive's wet dream.

Mussolini spent big on the public sector:




An expansive welfare state:




Along with state control over most of the economy:



Everything above is indisputably left wing, and anathema to people on the far right, like myself.

Here's your boy on the issue of racism:



On religion:




Fascism, being a branch of socialism, is a collectivist ideology:




While those of us on the right believe in individualism and capitalism.

So let's stop with the myth that fascism is right wing. Fascism is indisputably left wing.

NO, its on the opposite end of the spectrum, indisputably so assuming you put communism and socialism at one end of the spectrum. This discussion has been beaten to death in this forum. Kindly look up the threads and educate yourself instead of starting new pointless threads or study some real works on the topic as opposed to the works of ideologues trying to run from the reality of what sits at the extreme end of the Right......FASCISM!
 
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No, it's not.

In fact every element of Hitler's ideology for example has its origins in left wing ideology, if you're not familiar with the origins of the term "right wing" and "left wing" it goes to the days of the French National Assembly in the early years of the French Revolution, delegates who supported the king and the supremacy of the church sat on the right wing of the assembly, and supporters of all manner of murderous treason sat on the left.

The idea of nation states, ethnic supremacy, urban dominance of politics, etc were all born of revolutionary movements against the old monarchical order. Did Hitler restart the german monarchy? No, did he impose a state church? no, did he recreate a landed nobility who guided rural society? no....

like In what way was Hitler a traditional right winger?

It's a myth that most revolutions are left wing. Most revolutions are right wing and fascist. They are led by a single charismatic leader who aspires to replace the monarch, not abolish the monarchy. They obtain the support of the people by promising a return to the "good old days" and instilling a nationalist belief in the superiority of the majority over minorities. There is little that is more blatantly right wing than this, and Hitler did exactly this. The American revolution was an exception to this historical rule and there have been a few others with varying degrees of success, but Hitler was always right wing from the beginning. His was a nationalist dream to return the motherland to its true sons with himself at the helm. This is right wing ideology.
 
No, it's not.

In fact every element of Hitler's ideology for example has its origins in left wing ideology, if you're not familiar with the origins of the term "right wing" and "left wing" it goes to the days of the French National Assembly in the early years of the French Revolution, delegates who supported the king and the supremacy of the church sat on the right wing of the assembly, and supporters of all manner of murderous treason sat on the left.

The idea of nation states, ethnic supremacy, urban dominance of politics, etc were all born of revolutionary movements against the old monarchical order. Did Hitler restart the german monarchy? No, did he impose a state church? no, did he recreate a landed nobility who guided rural society? no....

like In what way was Hitler a traditional right winger?

If you want the perfect example of a true german right-winger, look up Klemens Von Metternich (who happens to be my avatar)

Privatization for one. Privatization is the tool the fascist uses to control the levers of an economy. Nationalization is the tool of the Socialist or the Communist for controlling the levers of an economy.

As for ethnic supremacy, it was Hitler and the Nazi's that convinced themselves that Aryan should be a race distinct from other Caucasians or Whites. That is how frigged up they were about ethnic supremacy.

In fact their idea of Socialism as in National Socialists is that you exterminate everybody you don't want within your social fabric saving a few for enslavement and forced labor and then you allow those remaining that you want to be within your social fabric based on some set of frigged up standards to be "equal". Ah-huh.
 
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No, it's not.

In fact every element of Hitler's ideology for example has its origins in left wing ideology, if you're not familiar with the origins of the term "right wing" and "left wing" it goes to the days of the French National Assembly in the early years of the French Revolution, delegates who supported the king and the supremacy of the church sat on the right wing of the assembly, and supporters of all manner of murderous treason sat on the left.

The idea of nation states, ethnic supremacy, urban dominance of politics, etc were all born of revolutionary movements against the old monarchical order. Did Hitler restart the german monarchy? No, did he impose a state church? no, did he recreate a landed nobility who guided rural society? no....

like In what way was Hitler a traditional right winger?

If you want the perfect example of a true german right-winger, look up Klemens Von Metternich (who happens to be my avatar)

Your question might be better if it were, “was Hitler a 20th Century right winger?” Since he was severely un-liberal, on that basis he could be. Similarly, Stalin’s state capitalism might make him a fellow right winger, hated by Hitler with a passion. These labels from history get us nowhere.
 
NO, its on the opposite end of the spectrum, indisputably so assuming you put communism and socialism at one end of the spectrum.

No. On the far right you have capitalism, free markets, and people like Barry Goldwater, Thomas Sowell, and Milton Friedman. At the extreme right you have ancaps like Bryan Caplan and Bruce Benson. Again, if fascism is far right, why did Mussolini and FDR like and admire each other so much?
 
Your question might be better if it were, “was Hitler a 20th Century right winger?” Since he was severely un-liberal, on that basis he could be.

He was un-liberal as in classic liberal, not American liberal.

Similarly, Stalin’s state capitalism might make him a fellow right winger, hated by Hitler with a passion. These labels from history get us nowhere.

Capitalism is private property in the means of production. Hence the term "state capitalism" means "public private property in the means of production" which is both dumb and incoherent.
 
Privatization for one. Privatization is the tool the fascist uses to control the levers of an economy. Nationalization is the tool of the Socialist or the Communist for controlling the levers of an economy.

Yes, but control and ownership are the same thing. You can't have one without the other.

Suppose you own a car. The title is in your name. But I control the car. You may only drive the car when I say you can. You can't modify or sell the car without my permission. Sure you're the "owner", but since I control the car, is it really your car?

Hitler did the same thing. He put party stooges in charge and called it "privatization". I can provide evidence that he controlled the German economy to the same extent Lenin controlled the Russian economy.


"Whereas the modern privatization in the EU has been parallel to liberalization policies, in Nazi Germany privatization was applied within a framework of increasing control of the state over the whole economy
through regulation and political interference." --Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany, Germà Bel


Socialism is public ownership/control of the means of production, and that's what took place in Nazi Germany.

Privatization for one. Privatization is the tool the fascist uses to control the levers of an economy. Nationalization is the tool of the Socialist or the Communist for controlling the levers of an economy.

Did you miss this in my OP:

wiki said:
By 1939, Fascist Italy attained the highest rate of state ownership of an economy in the world other than the Soviet Union,[42] where the Italian state "controlled over four-fifths of Italy's shipping and shipbuilding, three-quarters of its pig iron production and almost half that of steel".

There's the state ownership you're looking for. Mussolini was a life long socialist.

As for ethnic supremacy, it was Hitler and the Nazi's that convinced themselves that Aryan should be a race distinct from other Caucasians or Whites. That is how frigged up they were about ethnic supremacy.

In fact their idea of Socialism as in National Socialists is that you exterminate everybody you don't want within your social fabric saving a few for enslavement and forced labor and then you allow those remaining that you want to be within your social fabric based on some set of frigged up standards to be "equal". Ah-huh.

Leftist Pot Pot did the exact same thing. He was just as much a racist as Hitler was, and the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot implemented the purest form of Marxism ever attempted.
 
Is fascism (authoritarian capitalism) something that you find attractive?

No, it's something you find attractive, since fascists: 1. spent huge sums on infrastructure and public schools, 2. instituted large and expansive welfare states 3. had a very high degree of public control over the economy.
 
Mussolini, for example, was a life-long socialist

Mussonlini spent the WWII years trying to put down a socialist insurrection in Italy. Mussonlini was killed by socialists. Revisionist history generally sucks.
 
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