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Latest Trump supporter's excuse. "it is just their opinion"!

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I see someone rob a bank with a gun and leaves carrying a bag of loot and the cops stop him immediately. The cops ask me what i saw and I tell them. When I get to court and tell what I saw the defense lawyer says, that is just your opinion. That is how the Trump supporters are defending Trump in the Ukraine investigation. So many witnesses to the call and all of the things Trump's people have done to force the Ukraine government to start an investigation into the person who was supposed to be Trump's biggest worry in the upcoming election and yet according to Trump supporters, all of them are just stating their opinion, not what they heard and saw. It would be funny, but it is not.
 
I see someone rob a bank with a gun and leaves carrying a bag of loot and the cops stop him immediately. The cops ask me what i saw and I tell them. When I get to court and tell what I saw the defense lawyer says, that is just your opinion. That is how the Trump supporters are defending Trump in the Ukraine investigation. So many witnesses to the call and all of the things Trump's people have done to force the Ukraine government to start an investigation into the person who was supposed to be Trump's biggest worry in the upcoming election and yet according to Trump supporters, all of them are just stating their opinion, not what they heard and saw. It would be funny, but it is not.

Ummmmm. There was no bank robbed in the first place. It was just leftist hysteria and twisting of the facts.
 
Ummmmm. There was no bank robbed in the first place. It was just leftist hysteria and twisting of the facts.

NONE, absoultely NONE of Trump's actions Republicans would have agreed with if Obama had done them. You Trump supporters just prove how your mantra is dishonesty and excuses. Pathetic, but this is what Trump supporters are, dishonest pieces of trash. They deserve ridicule, no respect, hatred and no quarters. They are not Americans, they are garbage Russian supporting trash. Personally I wouldn't piss on a Trump supporter if they were on fire and instead just piss on a bush.
 
No excuse is necessary, just do the same thing as was done for the Bill Clinton impeachment Senate vote. Yep, he confessed to felony perjury - but so what?
 
I see someone rob a bank with a gun and leaves carrying a bag of loot and the cops stop him immediately. The cops ask me what i saw and I tell them. When I get to court and tell what I saw the defense lawyer says, that is just your opinion. That is how the Trump supporters are defending Trump in the Ukraine investigation. So many witnesses to the call and all of the things Trump's people have done to force the Ukraine government to start an investigation into the person who was supposed to be Trump's biggest worry in the upcoming election and yet according to Trump supporters, all of them are just stating their opinion, not what they heard and saw. It would be funny, but it is not.

What a stupid post. What "loot?" Who saw Trump with "loot" from a robbery?

This is a valid example. A Republican walking into a bank, asking a teller for the balance on his account. He then leaves. After he left, a dozen Democrats start screaming "That Republican wanted to rob the bank! I'm an expert on bank robbery, and in my expert opinion I KNOW he WANTED to rob the bank!" They call the police saying "there was an attempted bank robbery!"

Not only is there no witness to a bank robbery, there was no bank robbery.

Did any witness say Trump said to withhold money to Ukraine unless the President agrees to give dirt on Joe Biden? No. Is President Trump holding back money to Ukraine until Ukraine gives him dirt on Biden? No.

In fact, every witness has been a witness FOR the president. Why? Everyone has testified they did not hear Trump tell anyone to withhold funds to Ukraine until Ukraine investigates Joe Biden's son. In fact, it is a fact that funds were NOT withheld from Ukraine.

No witnesses. No crime even happened. Every witness has testified on his behalf - thinking they are attacking him. Every fact shows what the Democrats claimed happened IN FACT is exactly opposite from what did happen.

The "case" are just malcontent bureaucrats and ex-Obama hacks ranting their opinions that Trump didn't do what bureaucrats wanted him to do - which was to surrender the presidential foreign policy decisions to them - and then formed their theories as to why President Trump acted like he - not they - are the president. That is what they are ranting about - that Trump didn't let bureaucrats tell him what to do.

Biden, however, openly confessed to bribery and extortion.
 
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The Democratic Party's excuse is what Biden said it is: The Democratic Party will not accept any facts about President Trump. Their excuse is that they don't need any witnesses, evidence or facts.

All they claim they need is people expressing outrage that President Trump didn't turn the presidency over to them and do what they wanted him to do.
 
What a stupid post.

This is the real facts. A Republican walking into a bank, asking a teller to check his safe deposit box. He then leaves. After he left, a dozen Democrats start screaming "he wanted to rob the bank! he wanted to rob the bank! I'm an expert on bank robbery, and in my expert opinion I KNOW he WANTED to rob the bank!"

Not only is there no witness to a bank robbery, there was no bank robbery.

Did any witness say Trump said to withhold money to Ukraine unless the President agrees to give dirt on Joe Biden? No. Is President Trump holding back money to Ukraine until Ukraine gives him dirt on Biden? No.

No witnesses. No crime even happened.

Biden, however, openly confessed to bribery and extortion.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
"I would like you to do us a favor though," also hits the nail on the head. Right up there with "Won't somebody rid me of this troublesome priest?" and "My father made him an offer he couldn't refuse."
 
NONE, absoultely NONE of Trump's actions Republicans would have agreed with if Obama had done them. You Trump supporters just prove how your mantra is dishonesty and excuses. Pathetic, but this is what Trump supporters are, dishonest pieces of trash. They deserve ridicule, no respect, hatred and no quarters. They are not Americans, they are garbage Russian supporting trash. Personally I wouldn't piss on a Trump supporter if they were on fire and instead just piss on a bush.

What proves the Democratic Party and many of their partisan cult followers are total hypocritical pathological liars is that IN FACT who did what they accuse Trump of - with zero evidence - is exactly what Joe Biden did - and confessed on camera - but that's A-Ok.

NO ONE buys your fake outrage, no one but Democratic Party hacks and lackies doing the same fake ranting like you and your side has done for nearly 3 years.
 
What proves the Democratic Party and many of their partisan cult followers are total hypocritical pathological liars is that IN FACT who did what they accuse Trump of - with zero evidence - is exactly what Joe Biden did - and confessed on camera - but that's A-Ok.

NO ONE buys your fake outrage, no one but Democratic Party hacks and lackies doing the same fake ranting like you and your side has done for nearly 3 years.

Oh please you cons have proven to be the biggest hypocrites, especially with folks like Graham and McConnell. You guys rant and raved about the actions of Obama and Reid, yet McConnell and Trump have put that on steroids. Trump supporters can seriously go **** themselves.
 
One witness said to other people around, "Did Trump just rob a bank?" One other person said, "WTF?? What the hell are you talking about?"

Another witness said, "I didn't see Trump, but someone told me Trump robbed a bank and I believe him."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "Trump did something bad to me once, so he MUST have robbed the bank."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "I think Trump robbed the bank because I read an article in the newspaper about it."

One guy...a "fine military man"...who happens to have associations with criminals of another sort said, "I saw Trump in the bank, and I think he robbed it even though he didn't have any money when he came out."

And another guy who was there said, "I saw Trump in the bank and all I saw was him asking about his balance. I didn't see a robbery."

Ummm...I think there were a couple more people who weren't there who chimed in with their two cents.

There's a prosecutor who has hated Trump for years and he'll do anything to make a case.

And that, folks, is where things stand right now.
 
What proves the Democratic Party and many of their partisan cult followers are total hypocritical pathological liars is that IN FACT who did what they accuse Trump of - with zero evidence - is exactly what Joe Biden did - and confessed on camera - but that's A-Ok.

NO ONE buys your fake outrage, no one but Democratic Party hacks and lackies doing the same fake ranting like you and your side has done for nearly 3 years.

YOu know, Trumpsters will believe anything that the orange man tells them to. Trump told Trumpsters not to believe what they see and hear and they do not. How stupid can you get to listen to a man who has lied over 14,000 times since he has been in office but they do. It is called the cult of trump and his cultists BELIEVE. I surprised they do not get down on their knees and pray to him like the evangelicals do, but again, the evangelicals are Trumpsters.
 
...What "loot?" Who saw Trump with "loot" from a robbery?

This is a valid example. A Republican walking into a bank, asking a teller for the balance on his account. He then leaves. After he left, a dozen Democrats start screaming "That Republican wanted to rob the bank! I'm an expert on bank robbery, and in my expert opinion I KNOW he WANTED to rob the bank!" They call the police saying "there was an attempted bank robbery!"

Not only is there no witness to a bank robbery, there was no bank robbery.

Did any witness say Trump said to withhold money to Ukraine unless the President agrees to give dirt on Joe Biden? No. Is President Trump holding back money to Ukraine until Ukraine gives him dirt on Biden? No...

...The "case" are just malcontent bureaucrats and ex-Obama hacks ranting their opinions that Trump didn't do what bureaucrats wanted him to do - which was to surrender the presidential foreign policy decisions to them - and then formed their theories as to why President Trump acted like he - not they - are the president. That is what they are ranting about - that Trump didn't let bureaucrats tell him what to do.

One witness said to other people around, "Did Trump just rob a bank?" One other person said, "WTF?? What the hell are you talking about?"

Another witness said, "I didn't see Trump, but someone told me Trump robbed a bank and I believe him."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "Trump did something bad to me once, so he MUST have robbed the bank."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "I think Trump robbed the bank because I read an article in the newspaper about it."

One guy...a "fine military man"...who happens to have associations with criminals of another sort said, "I saw Trump in the bank, and I think he robbed it even though he didn't have any money when he came out."

And another guy who was there said, "I saw Trump in the bank and all I saw was him asking about his balance. I didn't see a robbery."

Ummm...I think there were a couple more people who weren't there who chimed in with their two cents.

There's a prosecutor who has hated Trump for years and he'll do anything to make a case.

And that, folks, is where things stand right now.

Your posts sum up how I see the "evidence" presented so far. All I've seen are personal opinions when it came to the "military officer aide" and the female "ex-Ambassador." As for the EU Ambassador? Not only has he "revised" his story, he has also admitted in his own testimony that when he asked Trump what the deal was, Trump's reply was "No quid pro quo!" Then he asserts his "opinion" that there was quid pro quo.

In every case they are offering either "interpretations" (the military officer), hearsay and assumptions (the female ex-ambassador), or opinion (the EU Ambassador).

I could tear these "witnesses" apart on cross-examination if they were even allowed to testify, using the published transcripts showing what is essentially hearsay and personal opinion.
 
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I see someone rob a bank with a gun and leaves carrying a bag of loot and the cops stop him immediately. The cops ask me what i saw and I tell them. When I get to court and tell what I saw the defense lawyer says, that is just your opinion. That is how the Trump supporters are defending Trump in the Ukraine investigation. So many witnesses to the call and all of the things Trump's people have done to force the Ukraine government to start an investigation into the person who was supposed to be Trump's biggest worry in the upcoming election and yet according to Trump supporters, all of them are just stating their opinion, not what they heard and saw. It would be funny, but it is not.

That isn't an excuse. It's a fact.
 
YOu know, Trumpsters will believe anything that the orange man tells them to. Trump told Trumpsters not to believe what they see and hear and they do not. How stupid can you get to listen to a man who has lied over 14,000 times since he has been in office but they do. It is called the cult of trump and his cultists BELIEVE. I surprised they do not get down on their knees and pray to him like the evangelicals do, but again, the evangelicals are Trumpsters.

You'll believe every thing that Schiffty tells you.
 
NONE, absoultely NONE of Trump's actions Republicans would have agreed with if Obama had done them. You Trump supporters just prove how your mantra is dishonesty and excuses. Pathetic, but this is what Trump supporters are, dishonest pieces of trash. They deserve ridicule, no respect, hatred and no quarters. They are not Americans, they are garbage Russian supporting trash. Personally I wouldn't piss on a Trump supporter if they were on fire and instead just piss on a bush.

We can surmise what the Trump Admin wanted to do (maybe) with respect to Mr. Biden in 2020.
However, we know for a fact that, using foreign information (including from Russia), the Obama Admin actually did investigate its main political opponent in 2016.
We all know the Dems were not particularly outraged over that, so I think Republicans can be forgiven for being a bit skeptical that the Dems have suddenly found religion.
 
No excuse is necessary, just do the same thing as was done for the Bill Clinton impeachment Senate vote. Yep, he confessed to felony perjury - but so what?

Except that's actually not how it went down at all. Why do you need to lie?
 
One witness said to other people around, "Did Trump just rob a bank?" One other person said, "WTF?? What the hell are you talking about?"

Another witness said, "I didn't see Trump, but someone told me Trump robbed a bank and I believe him."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "Trump did something bad to me once, so he MUST have robbed the bank."

Another witness who wasn't even near the bank said, "I think Trump robbed the bank because I read an article in the newspaper about it."

One guy...a "fine military man"...who happens to have associations with criminals of another sort said, "I saw Trump in the bank, and I think he robbed it even though he didn't have any money when he came out."

And another guy who was there said, "I saw Trump in the bank and all I saw was him asking about his balance. I didn't see a robbery."

Ummm...I think there were a couple more people who weren't there who chimed in with their two cents.

There's a prosecutor who has hated Trump for years and he'll do anything to make a case.

And that, folks, is where things stand right now.

Actually, it went down like this:

Witness 1: "The dude robbed the bank"
Witness 2: "Yep, dude totally robbed the bank."
Witness 3: "Oh yeah, you bet your sweet ass he robbed the bank."
Witness 4: "Well, actually, the dude said he didn't rob the bank."
Witness 5: "He robbed the bank, and witness 4 said the dude robbed the bank."
Witness 4: "Uh, I'd like to correct my previous statement to state that the dude did in fact rob the bank. Please don't arrest me for perjury."
Witness 6: "The guy robbed the hell out of that bank."
Friend of the dude who robbed the bank: "So what if he robbed the bank? People rob banks. Get over it."
Friend of the dude who robbed the bank, the next day: "Crap. Um. I'm walking that back. He didn't rob the bank. Can I please keep my job, sir?"
 
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You'll believe every thing that Schiffty tells you.

NO, but I actually watch more than Fox News. I watch all three 24 hour stations and I hear and see what is being said. One thing I have noted is how all of the testimony seems to be similar in nature, as if those who are telling it are doing so honestly. And I do believe these people more than I would those who need Trump to keep their positions. Having served on a Federal Grand jury as the foreman I have seen and heard a lot of testimony and having many different people's run together is one of the things that the Federal prosecutor told us to look for.
 
Your posts sum up how I see the "evidence" presented so far. All I've seen are personal opinions when it came to the "military officer aide" and the female "ex-Ambassador." As for the EU Ambassador? Not only has he "revised" his story, he has also admitted in his own testimony that when he asked Trump what the deal was, Trump's reply was "No quid pro quo!" Then he asserts his "opinion" that there was quid pro quo.

In every case they are offering either "interpretations" (the military officer), hearsay and assumptions (the female ex-ambassador), or opinion (the EU Ambassador).

I could tear these "witnesses" apart on cross-examination if they were even allowed to testify, using the published transcripts showing what is essentially hearsay and personal opinion.

Well I guess we will see how well the GOP does in open testimony. I do have a question for you, should any of the Trump people who refused to testify before the House, be allowed to then appear as defense witnesses? I say no, as they had a chance to come forward and they knew they were being used to try and run out the clock on this investigation and went along. Now I feel it is too late for them to come forward.
 
What proves the Democratic Party and many of their partisan cult followers are total hypocritical pathological liars is that IN FACT who did what they accuse Trump of - with zero evidence - is exactly what Joe Biden did - and confessed on camera - but that's A-Ok.

NO ONE buys your fake outrage, no one but Democratic Party hacks and lackies doing the same fake ranting like you and your side has done for nearly 3 years.

From where I sit, the exact opposite is true.


The difference is, Biden is an honorable man, and Trump is a despicable human being.

do you want a laundry list of all the despicable things Trump has done in his life? This is just a small portion, to wit:

Trump has been defecating on the Constitution since he took office, Trump, who called dissed gold star families, war heroes, believed dictators and not his intel staff, who has gutted the EPA, the State Department, and turned America's backs on agreements that took years to put together with foreign nations, tried to deport handicapped children who were invited to America to participate in treatment trials who would die but for the treatment, who put children in cages, who separated children from families such that they are now impossible to find the parents....

Trump who screwed thousands out of millions, who defrauded tax payers out of some 400 million, who screwed contractors out of millions, who tried to use eminent domain to screw a widow out of her house so he could build a limousine garage, who screwed the good townspeople of Aberdeenshire in order to build a golf course, who screwed workers out of hard earned money, who hired illegals in many of his hotels, who promised steel workers to bring back steel jobs while he was buying steel from china, who promised to self fund his campaign then started asking for money, who promised to release his taxes but never did, who has told over 13,000 lies to date, ...Trump, who recently was fined $2 million for misusing charity funds for personal use....Trump....

a man who schtupped a porn star while his newly wed wife gave birth, then had his lawyer pay her $130k to keep the press from finding out about it just before the election, whose lawyer went to jail for doing it while Trump was named unindicted co-conspirator in a felony, whose many staff when to jail for hatching corrupt schemes, a man who has turned on many his staff, friends, wives, who has experienced an 80% turnover in his staff since he took office,

Whatever your paranoid exaggerated issues with dems are, they pale to the morally bankrupt and corrupt Trump and his GOP, they are a runaway criminal enterprise who give pond scum a bad name

but you don't care. You should, because it proves you are full of it,

When it comes to a pissing contest regarding who has the most transgressions and despicable acts, Trump towers over Biden.
 
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We can surmise what the Trump Admin wanted to do (maybe) with respect to Mr. Biden in 2020.
However, we know for a fact that, using foreign information (including from Russia), the Obama Admin actually did investigate its main political opponent in 2016.
We all know the Dems were not particularly outraged over that, so I think Republicans can be forgiven for being a bit skeptical that the Dems have suddenly found religion.

All that information happened because trump was in contact and asked for assistance from Russians. Nice try you fail like the trump supporter normally does.
 
NO, but I actually watch more than Fox News. I watch all three 24 hour stations and I hear and see what is being said. One thing I have noted is how all of the testimony seems to be similar in nature, as if those who are telling it are doing so honestly. And I do believe these people more than I would those who need Trump to keep their positions. Having served on a Federal Grand jury as the foreman I have seen and heard a lot of testimony and having many different people's run together is one of the things that the Federal prosecutor told us to look for.

You know...Schiffty was worried about releasing testimony because he thought it would tip off others in the Trump administration about what to say. But then he turned around and leaked just the right testimony to tip off those who oppose Trump about what to say.

So, I disagree with you. The fact that all of the testimony seems to be similar in nature is by design...not because of honesty.

Add to that the fact that Schiffty's aides met and coordinated with the blower and one of the witnesses.

Tell me...if the Federal prosecutor during your grand jury days was doing this kind of stuff, would you have been inclined to follow his instructions? Or would you have accused him of witness tampering?
 
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