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We are not all cultists or Trumpets

Obscurity said:
I'm sorry, but when some folks on this site espouse the same views their published pundits promote; that liberals are evil, baby killing, godless heathens, that democrats are destroyers of liberty, that leftists hate the country and want to destroy it and install authoritarian communism, it's pretty hard to be "civil."

The right has universally been fed propaganda by pundits that I mention above. Anyone can hear it plain as day on Hannity, Ingraham, Coulter, Owens.

The right has declared the left an enemy to be defeated, as parroted on this very forum by some "very fine posters."

I find it absolutely hysterical that, like baby boomers, you're on here claiming, after literal DECADES of your side throwing haymakers, the -second- the left pushes back, OH NOES! IT'S WAR NOW! I AM A VICTIM!

Puhlease.

You know how we take you seriously?

When you refuse to espouse the opinions your dear leaders above feed you.

When you stop electing officials like Gym Jordan who ignored sexual assault, and then defend him, while saying Katie Hill should resign.

When you cease viewing "dems, libs and leftists" as enemies to be defeated.

Since your pundits threw the first punch, I'll leave it to YOU PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW to shirk the above, and declare those pundits wrong, and to state, in no uncertain terms, that the leftists/liberals/democrats whom your side has so wrongfully convicted in your partisan publishings and radio shows are in fact NOT enemies to be defeated, NOT evil people who want to destroy the country, and APOLOGIZE for the vapid, grotesque nature in which this paranoia is spread.

Until then, there will continuously be a vein of snide derision, and justly so; for how long do I have to be called the above, chased out of churches, communities, boards, by right wingers who say the above ****, vomitting it up from the bowels of Fox News?

It rests with you. You don't like your side being mocked and derided, then it starts with you.
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so from now on, we put everyone in small little boxes? is that the way this is going to go?

either I do what you insist, or i am with THEM?

I dont watch FOX, or listen to AM radio. Many eons ago i listened to Mark Levin for a while, and thought some of his ideas were rational and sane, (some) ....his pitch on a constitutional convention was one of those, until others picked it up and bastardized it

Where did i claim to be a victim? Where did i do anything other than ask people to be more civil....

I am not perfect, but i am "trying to be civil" with everyone....or i simply put them on ignore if i know i cant hold a rational conversation with them

When you cease viewing "dems, libs and leftists" as enemies to be defeated. so know you want us to view the opposition as what? friends? comrades? we have and probably always will have differeing views on how this country should be ran....we both want the country to succeed, we just cant agree on how to get there....that isnt going to change....i am not suddenly going to be for "free college and universal medicare for all" ....it doesnt fit what i think is best for the country

we can disagree on points of view....can can argue the merits of individual ideas....hell, we are "supposed to do that"

what i was saying in the OP is that i think we can do so without all the barbs, name calling, and general acting like adolescents that goes on around here

maybe you agree...maybe not

Since your pundits threw the first punch, I'll leave it to YOU PERSONALLY RIGHT NOW to shirk the above, and declare those pundits wrong, and to state, in no uncertain terms, that the leftists/liberals/democrats whom your side has so wrongfully convicted in your partisan publishings and radio shows are in fact NOT enemies to be defeated, NOT evil people who want to destroy the country, and APOLOGIZE for the vapid, grotesque nature in which this paranoia is spread.

as above...since i dont listen to them, or pay attention to them...maybe more of your side should do the same....
 
Captain America said:
I couldn't agree more.

Some call it karma. Some call it chickens coming home to roost.

After 8 years of Obama hate, FOXNews, Cambridge Analytica, Russian Propaganda (and the people more than willing to distribute it,) it only seems natural to give it like you got it.

They say payback's a bitch. But you're right. It sucks. They say you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. This Pandora Box of mean-spiritedness and division was opened by Newt Gengrich and Kenneth Starr a long time ago and it's only going to get worse. An eye for an eye until we all go blind.
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so anyone with a conservative or GOP tag gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang

got it....i will bookmark this post for future discussions
 
gdgyva said:
so anyone with a conservative or GOP tag gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang

got it....i will bookmark this post for future discussions
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That's not what he said. Not at all. How did you get that from what he wrote?
 
gdgyva said:
so anyone with a conservative or GOP tag gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang

got it....i will bookmark this post for future discussions
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Yes. Because as I said above; you should view me as I USED to view you - an american with whom I disagree.

That is NOT how I am viewed by republicans. I am generalizing because YOU LOT EARNED IT and I DGAF how you feel about it.

I am viewed as an enemy. As a child murderer. As a godless heathen destroying our values.

That is -not true.- I love my country. I love my country enough, however, to say explicitly when it is wrong. When it needs to be changed.

Instead of disagreeing, your pundits label me and disparage and dehumanize me.

Like I said.

You could start right here - but instead, YOU doubled down.

Sad.
 
JustHanging said:
That's not what he said. Not at all. How did you get that from what he wrote?
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They say payback's a bitch. But you're right. It sucks. They say you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. This Pandora Box of mean-spiritedness and division was opened by Newt Gengrich and Kenneth Starr a long time ago and it's only going to get worse. An eye for an eye until we all go blind.


his quote

how am i supposed to take that?
 
bongsaway said:
How do you discuss differences when the folks on the right use kellyanne's alternative facts? If I thought trump was innocent I would say so and take the crap from the left for saying so. I'm out for truth not party.
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Speaking of alternative facts, how do you discuss differences with people who genuinely think that the US can totally overhaul the world's entire energy economy in 12 years, while at the same time giving everyone (including anyone and everyone who comes here from another country, with or without permission) free healthcare, free college and 35-hour-per week living wage, and that anyone who disagrees with any of this is a brain-damaged climate-change denying racist?
 
gdgyva said:
They say payback's a bitch. But you're right. It sucks. They say you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. This Pandora Box of mean-spiritedness and division was opened by Newt Gengrich and Kenneth Starr a long time ago and it's only going to get worse. An eye for an eye until we all go blind.


his quote

how am i supposed to take that?
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That being a conservative and NOT pushing back against these narratives and holding your tribe accountable has made you complicit, that's how.

Hence my ask of you to denounce the stuff I posted above, which you duly failed to do.
 
gdgyva said:
so anyone with a conservative or GOP tag gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang

got it....i will bookmark this post for future discussions
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No, anyone pushing the Right Wing talking points gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang.

Case in point:

gdgyva said:
Sure...as soon as Nancy actually impeaches Trump...and puts those 30 odd democratic seats up for grabs

Why should Trump give in first? What has Nancy put at risk at this point?
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BlueElk said:
I would like to keep the "like".

However as stated, I did not know/remember any of his personal information and looked him up prior to my reply.

Never heard of Shaw and the Fabians before.

I found Shaw was credited with many quotes.

For example -

"Dickens, without the slightest understanding of Socialism etc., would have seen at a glance that there is something wrong with a regime that needs a pyramid of corpses every few years."

Live and Learn.
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Always! One point to consider is the times in which these men lived. It's such a mistake to look through our own prism back to a time in which we didn't live and then impose our "modern" sensibilities on that previous time and understanding. Eric Blair, for example, was a cop in Burma and fought in the Spanish Civil War. He lived on the streets for awhile too, which led to his first book, Down and Out in Paris and London.
 
Obscurity said:
That being a conservative and NOT pushing back against these narratives and holding your tribe accountable has made you complicit, that's how.

Hence my ask of you to denounce the stuff I posted above, which you duly failed to do.
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you want me to denounce stuff of which i am not even aware...brilliant!!

so every idiotic post by any democrat/progressive/leftist i will post and expect you to trash....is that the expectation now? Is that where you want this to go? That seems like where you want me to go....
 
calamity said:
No, anyone pushing the Right Wing talking points gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang.

Case in point:
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The democrats are doing an impeachment inquiry....that is their right

The president has made it known that his administration will not comply with the inquiry....because of Politics

Play this anyway you want to, but without Nancy making this a full blown impeachment...it is nothing but a clown show

She needs to give to get....only she doesnt want to take that risk....

Now...those are facts....you can agree or disagree....which is why this inquiry will go on, and on, and on....

until the witnesses dry up, and she is forced to make the decision one way or the other

I am waiting....i am a GOP patriot....i want to see how this plays out in the end

Will she or wont she call for the full vote? and put those 30 dem seats up for grabs?
 
gdgyva said:
you want me to denounce stuff of which i am not even aware...brilliant!!

so every idiotic post by any democrat/progressive/leftist i will post and expect you to trash....is that the expectation now? Is that where you want this to go? That seems like where you want me to go....
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No, no, no.

You are still not following.

I want you, here and now, to DENOUNCE this rhetoric, even if you have not heard it.

Denounce fox news - Ingraham, Hannity, Limbaugh. Coulter. Owens. Shapiro. All the right wing talking heads that call ME a traitor, an enemy of the state, a baby murderer.

I want you to OPENLY DENOUNCE this rhetoric.
 
Obscurity said:
No, no, no.

You are still not following.

I want you, here and now, to DENOUNCE this rhetoric, even if you have not heard it.

Denounce fox news - Ingraham, Hannity, Limbaugh. Coulter. Owens. Shapiro. All the right wing talking heads that call ME a traitor, an enemy of the state, a baby murderer.

I want you to OPENLY DENOUNCE this rhetoric.
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you put an article out here i can read...i will tell you if i agree or disagree

other than that....i have done what i am going to do....i suggest you stop listening to "all this rhetoric" as it seems to upset you greatly

maybe time to shut off the TV and go for a walk?
 
gdgyva said:
It is becoming impossible to discuss anything on this site anymore.

If you disagree with anything that a progressive/liberal/democrat writes or thinks you are usually labelled a cultist or a Trumpet....they dont argue the value of your thought or idea....they attack you because you are ONE OF THEM

And yes, i am sure some times you are being attacked just as well....

I think it is a microcosm of America....

And something needs to happen to break the mold....the animosity and anger displayed is frightening

And i know we are more enlightened and better informed than the majority of other people.

I think we all care what happens to our country....and yes, we have differing views on how we should do things

I just see this coming to a really bad ending....and even though i love discussing politics, this is no longer fun...no longer educational...

We should be able to discuss differences as adults....but maybe that is just too much to ask now
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I seriously think the blame largely belongs on Fox News, which has been successful at separating and labeling ideologies, creating phony outrage and demonizing those their pundits (Hannnity, Pirro, Carlson, Ingraham) disagree with. Calling it "News" is a farce. It's not journalism. Real journalists laugh at Fox News. And for good reasons.

What's sad is that Roger Ailes' "formula" has been successful. We'd all have been better off if it wasn't. Much better off.
 
gdgyva said:
you put an article out here i can read...i will tell you if i agree or disagree

other than that....i have done what i am going to do....i suggest you stop listening to "all this rhetoric" as it seems to upset you greatly

maybe time to shut off the TV and go for a walk?
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The point flew RIGHT over your head.

Right wingers have been INFLUENCED to the point that hearing comments like "I hate liberals" has become a regular occurence in public life.

Without EACH INDIVIDUAL CONSERVATIVE STOPPING THIS RHETORIC THERE WILL BE NO CEASEFIRE.

I will not, and refuse to speak with civility with individuals who actually refuse to denounce seditious hot air that has COMPLETELY INFESTED YOUR IDEOLOGY.

You have utterly FAILED to convince me.

I may be your political opposite, but I am a ****ing american, my ****ing vote counts, I buy the same **** you do.

YOUR side has dehumanized me. YOUR SIDE has made me into a villain.

You do NOT get to ask me to cease and desist if you are UNWILLING to individually DENOUNCE comments like:

“There is now far too much ‘tolerance’ in America,” Huie declared in the first issue of the new Mercury. “We shall cry a new crusade of intolerance . . . the intolerance of bores, morons, world-savers, and damn fools.”

Democrats hate America -- and here are the numbers to prove it - Washington Times

Look at the headline. LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE.

The 25 Best Ann Coulter Quotes About Liberals | John Hawkins' Right Wing News

Look at these comments.

The right wing is FILLED with vitriol like this. The republican party doesn't even recognize someone like me as a REAL AMERICAN CITIZEN.

So **** that.

You started this fire - I will let it burn to ashes.

It starts with YOU personally DENOUNCING this rhetoric.
 
Obscurity said:
The point flew RIGHT over your head.

Right wingers have been INFLUENCED to the point that hearing comments like "I hate liberals" has become a regular occurence in public life.

Without EACH INDIVIDUAL CONSERVATIVE STOPPING THIS RHETORIC THERE WILL BE NO CEASEFIRE.

I will not, and refuse to speak with civility with individuals who actually refuse to denounce seditious hot air that has COMPLETELY INFESTED YOUR IDEOLOGY.

You have utterly FAILED to convince me.

I may be your political opposite, but I am a ****ing american, my ****ing vote counts, I buy the same **** you do.

YOUR side has dehumanized me. YOUR SIDE has made me into a villain.

You do NOT get to ask me to cease and desist if you are UNWILLING to individually DENOUNCE comments like:

“There is now far too much ‘tolerance’ in America,” Huie declared in the first issue of the new Mercury. “We shall cry a new crusade of intolerance . . . the intolerance of bores, morons, world-savers, and damn fools.”

Democrats hate America -- and here are the numbers to prove it - Washington Times

Look at the headline. LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE.

The 25 Best Ann Coulter Quotes About Liberals | John Hawkins' Right Wing News

Look at these comments.

The right wing is FILLED with vitriol like this. The republican party doesn't even recognize someone like me as a REAL AMERICAN CITIZEN.

So **** that.

You started this fire - I will let it burn to ashes.

It starts with YOU personally DENOUNCING this rhetoric.[/QUOTE

a few mouth pieces spew their nonsense and you take it personally? holy crap!

you really do need to stop watching TV, listening to radio, and get away from politics for awhile

if these idiot can raise your ire to this degree, i hate to see what other people can do in real life

you think their arent counterparts on the left? or dont they count in your eyes?

see me going crazy because of something they said? they dont matter....neither do the pundits on FOX or AM radio

it is time you realize that....they dont matter....they never did, and they never will

apparently you and I will never be able to have a rational conversation....too bad....i think it would have been productive

i will argue points....tell you what i think....and can do it without name calling or adolescent behavior....

question is....can you?
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BlueElk said:
The current Oath of Allegiance of the United States is as follows:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

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Patriotic Americans live by this Oath and do not "suspect" enemies.
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All (24/7 reality tv) facts are provided from the other end, the horses mouth:



At the 2019 (Socialist/Communist) DNC Presidential Debate - U. S. Senator Kamala Harris Cackles after declaring: "Yes We Can" ignore the United States Constitution and Unilaterally use Executive Orders to impose Gun Regulations (Communist Action)



U. S. Congresswoman, Maxine Waters "pushes" for violence and draws the attention of the "Oathkeepers" who, legally, defend the First and Second United States Constitutional Amendments from the likes of her.



Socialist/Communist Democratic National Convention Presidential candidates like, Gillibrand, Harris, Warren, Sanders and others, propose to neutralize the United States of America, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), allowing illegal immigrants, MS-13, and others to flourish in Los Angeles, California.

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The reply to the Original Post (OP) reflects the typical tactics of the Socialist/Communist Democrats of the "Left", nothing has changed. (Tactic - Deflection)

The disasterous reality of the "Left" policies that result in the "Los Angeles homeless" was deflected into "different ideas". Americans are suffering, under Socialist Rule and the guise of "different ideas". A success story for the "Left".

The "suspect" reply; lacks substance, implies motive, makes no reference to the issue or resolution, and amounts to around the pasture flatulence.

Consider the source.

The OP is a statement of fact, an observation, requiring no explanation to the informed and otherwise easily explained to the non afflicted.

Note: The reply offered no resolution as, previously explained, Los Angeles percieved a success story of the "Left".

LA is a Sanctuary City in a Sanctuary State represented by the likes of Senator Kamala Harris, Representatives Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff (Today, stated he was incorrect his 40 recent claims to have met, or know, the Whistleblower). These Socialist/Communist Democrats have sworn an Oath of Allegiance to the United States Constitution.



U.S. Congressman Adam Schiff's last line - denies meeting, or knowing, the "Whistleblower".
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I appreciate you proving my original point.
Thx.
 
dairyair said:
I appreciate you proving my original point.
Thx.
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Originally Posted by dairyair
I suspect the reason is per the post from the likes of blue elk. They don't view people with different ideas as part of the country, but as enemies.
Propagated by the likes of 24/7 reality tv calling themselves news stations.
And some are into thinking those hate tv stations tell real news.
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BlueElk -

We agree - Support of the POTUS and my Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America - makes us enemies. You certainly made your point.

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The current Oath of Allegiance of the United States is as follows:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

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BlueElk -

Patriotic Americans live by this Oath and do not "suspect" enemies.
 
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calamity said:
Wow, talk about a cult-like post. If it were only coherent, we'd have us a winner, folks.
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The current Oath of Allegiance of the United States is coherent to Patriotic Americans - membership available.


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The current Oath of Allegiance of the United States is as follows:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
 
madasheck said:
I seriously think the blame largely belongs on Fox News, which has been successful at separating and labeling ideologies, creating phony outrage and demonizing those their pundits (Hannnity, Pirro, Carlson, Ingraham) disagree with. Calling it "News" is a farce. It's not journalism. Real journalists laugh at Fox News. And for good reasons.

What's sad is that Roger Ailes' "formula" has been successful. We'd all have been better off if it wasn't. Much better off.
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One America News (OAN) - If you need a Fox alternative.
 
gdgyva said:
a few mouth pieces spew their nonsense and you take it personally? holy crap!

you really do need to stop watching TV, listening to radio, and get away from politics for awhile

if these idiot can raise your ire to this degree, i hate to see what other people can do in real life

you think their arent counterparts on the left? or dont they count in your eyes?

see me going crazy because of something they said? they dont matter....neither do the pundits on FOX or AM radio

it is time you realize that....they dont matter....they never did, and they never will

apparently you and I will never be able to have a rational conversation....too bad....i think it would have been productive

i will argue points....tell you what i think....and can do it without name calling or adolescent behavior....

question is....can you?
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And still, you REFUSE to say you disagree with them and that their rhetoric is dangerous.

You STILL refuse to do it.

Truly pathetic.
 
Obscurity said:
And still, you REFUSE to say you disagree with them and that their rhetoric is dangerous.

You STILL refuse to do it.

Truly pathetic.
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"I can't believe they call us Trumpets and cultists. Impeachment is a Witch Hunt. Trump did nothing WRONG!"
 
Obscurity said:
And still, you REFUSE to say you disagree with them and that their rhetoric is dangerous.

You STILL refuse to do it.

Truly pathetic.
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aaaah

are your feelings hurt?

not going to disagree with people i dont pay any attention to....i dont know what they say or said, so i cant avow or disavow their statements can i

maybe you should do the same and STOP paying them any heed....

I also dont pay any heed to John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Bill Maher, Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, Or jon Stewart

Dont care what they say....maybe, just maybe you all should do the same
 
gdgyva said:
It is becoming impossible to discuss anything on this site anymore.

If you disagree with anything that a progressive/liberal/democrat writes or thinks you are usually labelled a cultist or a Trumpet....they dont argue the value of your thought or idea....they attack you because you are ONE OF THEM

And yes, i am sure some times you are being attacked just as well....

I think it is a microcosm of America....

And something needs to happen to break the mold....the animosity and anger displayed is frightening

And i know we are more enlightened and better informed than the majority of other people.

I think we all care what happens to our country....and yes, we have differing views on how we should do things

I just see this coming to a really bad ending....and even though i love discussing politics, this is no longer fun...no longer educational...

We should be able to discuss differences as adults....but maybe that is just too much to ask now
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Until the hate monger in Chief is removed you are probably correct. They started this garbage and now they are reaping the rewards.


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Chomsky said:
The biggest problem I see, is we are being given two sets of facts depending on our sources. So of course, people are dug in. You're not going to go against what you believe!
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Yup.

Two distinct recent histories.

The one consumers of conservative media live in and the one the rest of the world lives in.

Gingrich is so proud. He started us down the path we're now on.
 
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