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We are not all cultists or Trumpets

calamity said:
This thread has done a great job of proving the exact opposite of the OP's premise. Bravo!
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True that. I've seen very few Trump voters on here admit that Trump has done anything wrong or that he is a corrupt person in general.
 
Nickyjo said:
Sorry. All I find wjen I look are descriptions of an extremist group that endorses violence. Apparently the FBI agrees.
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Consider your sources. I am much more familiar with Tea Party than I am PB. The Tea party has been described as racist, violent, nationalistic and Islamaphobic, just to name a few. In reality, it's mostly a group of middle aged and middle income people that think taxes are too high.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Politics reveals a person's true character. That's why I refuse to be friends with a Trump voter. Trump voters simply lack basic morality and decency, whether they know it not. And if they are willfully ignorant about Trump, that's not an excuse in my book.
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I don't associate with Trump supporters in the real world if I don't have to. Unfortunately, I'm related to a butt load of them and one of them always ends up sitting next to me on planes and trains.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Politics reveals a person's true character. That's why I refuse to be friends with a Trump voter. Trump voters simply lack basic morality and decency, whether they know it not. And if they are willfully ignorant about Trump, that's not an excuse in my book.
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Nalu said:
I don't associate with Trump supporters in the real world if I don't have to. Unfortunately, I'm related to a butt load of them and one of them always ends up sitting next to me on planes and trains.
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Nothing cultish about eschewing contact with non-believers, huh? :lamo
 
Bullseye said:
Nothing cultish about eschewing contact with non-believers, huh? :lamo
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It's not supposed to be about "belief". Being a Republican or a Trump supporter is not supposed to be a ****ing religion.

Trump is an immoral, corrupt individual and a bully, yet you support him anyway. That says more about you than it does about me.
 
Bullseye said:
Nothing cultish about eschewing contact with non-believers, huh? :lamo
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Non-believers of what? Do you know the difference between up and down?
 
SCrider said:
When the president can get fined 2million dollars for running a scam charity, and the only responses from the right are good for him. How do you expect anyone not to consider you a cult member or Trumpette at this point in time?
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i sometimes wonder if some of you people work?

i own my own business, and get a few minutes here and there to go online and see what is happening

Most of the time i am catching up with everything....

i hadnt even heard of this story until you mentioned it....

in the big scheme of things it means nothing in the world....to you it is another nail in the coffin, right?

you might want to realize that not everyone gets news like you do....is as up to date as you are....or believes these incidents are as important as you do

now back to my dogs after spending 25 mins researching that story that i will never get back
 
gdgyva said:
i sometimes wonder if some of you people work?

i own my own business, and get a few minutes here and there to go online and see what is happening

Most of the time i am catching up with everything....

i hadnt even heard of this story until you mentioned it....

in the big scheme of things it means nothing in the world....to you it is another nail in the coffin, right?

you might want to realize that not everyone gets news like you do....is as up to date as you are....or believes these incidents are as important as you do

now back to my dogs after spending 25 mins researching that story that i will never get back
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It's more about what you will ignore to keep your guy in power. If this was another president R or D it would be a huge ****ing deal, but since it's trump, it's no biggie at all to you guys.
 
trixare4kids said:
I don't think Proud Boys are nice guys, but whatever...
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I was rather shocked, but I guess it takes all kinds, and not everyone fits in every box.

Jewish Nazis included. :shock:
 
gdgyva said:
so according to you...all of those on the left (democrats/progressives/liberals) are correct in everything, and all those on the right are just idiots

and you see nothing wrong with this stance?

no middle ground? not one issue that Trump or the GOP has done ok on?
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Democrats/progressives/liberals aren't remotely on the left.

They're conservative.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Quality people don't seem to run for office anymore.
Can we actually blame them though for staying away from what has become a reality TV show?

I don't know what the answer is... but agree with your points above.
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Mostly true, but the real issue is that voters refuse to support quality candidates.

Tulsi Gabbard - the Democrat with the best chance of beating Trump - is a perfect example.

The Democrats DESPISE her.

Why?

Too much quality.

True story.

:hm
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Politics reveals a person's true character. That's why I refuse to be friends with a Trump voter. Trump voters simply lack basic morality and decency, whether they know it not. And if they are willfully ignorant about Trump, that's not an excuse in my book.
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That's the spirit!

:donkeyfla
 
kerry won ohio said:
it's not supposed to be about "belief". Being a republican or a trump supporter is not supposed to be a ****ing religion.

Trump is an immoral, corrupt individual and a bully, yet you support him anyway. That says more about you than it does about me.
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woooooooooooooooooooooooosh!!!!
 
Nalu said:
Non-believers of what? Do you know the difference between up and down?
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Double WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!

:thumbs:
 
gdgyva said:
i sometimes wonder if some of you people work?

i own my own business, and get a few minutes here and there to go online and see what is happening

Most of the time i am catching up with everything....

i hadnt even heard of this story until you mentioned it....

in the big scheme of things it means nothing in the world....to you it is another nail in the coffin, right?

you might want to realize that not everyone gets news like you do....is as up to date as you are....or believes these incidents are as important as you do

now back to my dogs after spending 25 mins researching that story that i will never get back
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twump has an entire life history of criminal fraud. That you try and rationalize it away just confirms that, if nothing else, you are indeed an unwitting cultist.
 
I mean, they may not all be cultists, but many are.
 
I just realized something else after reading another comment calling me a cultist yet again

There are individuals here that just dont have the life experience, or work experience to understand my perspective...why i might actually think the way i do...or why certain things just have little or no importance in my life, yet to them it is very important

Maybe we expect too much from the other posters....expecting them to understand "our perspective"

I will try to take that in consideration from this point on....

maybe it will help, maybe it wont.....
 
gdgyva said:
I just realized something else after reading another comment calling me a cultist yet again

There are individuals here that just dont have the life experience, or work experience to understand my perspective...why i might actually think the way i do...or why certain things just have little or no importance in my life, yet to them it is very important

Maybe we expect too much from the other posters....expecting them to understand "our perspective"

I will try to take that in consideration from this point on....

maybe it will help, maybe it wont.....
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People who pigeonhole others and call names can't be expected to understand (much less tolerate) alternative opinions and perspectives.
 
vegas giants said:
Orwell was my favorite socialist. Is he your favorite as well?
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vegas giants -

Properly framed, George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair), could be the subject used to initiate several interesting posts.

Until your post, neither George Orwell's political or personal life, nor placing any value on a Socialist, ever crossed my mind.

Yes, Democratic Socialist George Orwell is my favorite Socialist.

The reasoning gets real complicated, real quick, and belongs in a separate (framed) "Orwell" Post.
 
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Jay59 said:
I did. There are Proud Boy posters on this board.

This is not an organization that raises a red flag to me. They claim to be a response to SJW activity, which seems entirely reasonable. Look at ADL on Antifa. There is not a word about violent tendancies. Yet, when Proud Boys encountered Antifa last spring, Antifa initiated the violence.
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To be fair, Antifa initiates violence with nearly everyone.
 
bullseyelqcs said:
God.....damn....it. This **** again?

There is a difference, even if you don't want to accept it. I'll explain it for you like I have everyone else trying to pass this off as functional dialog.

Joe Biden, acting as the frontman for both the United States and the EU in regards to Ukraine, told them that if they didn't get rid of a prosecutor who was protecting the very people who were siphoning off the very aid money that we are talking about, that we would simply stop providing that money. Now, I would like you to show me where the personal gain would be in that for Joe Biden, since that is an important component of a QPQ. And spare me the crap about Hunter Biden working for a company that was being investigated......he had already been cleared of any wrongdoing by the Ukrainian government because the things they WERE investigating occurred years before he was hired on, so he couldn't have had anything to do with them.

Contrast that with Trump, who stood lots to gain from asking the Ukrainian President to reopen an already completed investigation that would have no other effect that to smear his biggest political rival at the time. Oh.....and he attempted to extort that decision with funds that had already been allocated to that government.

Yeah, they are completely different.
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2009 - Russian Reset





17 October 2016 - O'Bama States Election Not Rigged (See minute - 3:25)





Ukraine (Biden Boys) - All good - video (See minute - 16:30)



Bullseyelqcs -

Agreed, they are completely different (See Original Post, and # 90).

You, and ONLY you, are trying to make the connection.

Your opening, "God.....damn....it. This **** again?", is an expression of your frustration in this matter as it indicates that many have brought it to your attention, tried to help you understand, and have been unsuccessful.


So here goes -

1. Original Post - The Original Post exploded (almost 6000 views and 700 replies in 3 days) because it is an attempt to have a political dialogue without using the "You are a cultist" and name (or reference to) of the President of the United States (POTUS).

For the most part, discussions have been generated to make it very easy to comply with the Original Post.


2. Two videos serve to remind the "Russian Collusion" began with the O'Bama administration 2009 "Russian Reset" - through the March 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea, Ukraine - until 17 October 2016 when O'Bama made his "No Election Interference" speech. (3 weeks later, to date, it was all blamed on the incoming POTUS)


3. Let me oversimplify, there were 2 investigations and 2 payments.

A 2010-2012 Burisma investigation and a 2015 Barisma investigation terminated on March 2016.

A 2014 payment that initiated Hunter's employment, and a 2016 payment used to fire the investigator.


NOTE - If Joe bargained $1,000,000,000.00 tax dollars to fire a shoeshine boy, it would be cause to investigate. Joe chose to fire the Prosecutor General investigating his son's company.


The video above explains it much better - Since I started a timeline - I will leave it.

a. 2010-2012 - Ukrainian government was investigating Burisma.

b. 2014 February - Russia invaded Crimea, Ukraine.

b. 2014 March - Joe was named the administration’s $1,000,000,000.00 point man on Ukraine.

c. 2014 April - Joe met with Devon Archer (Hunter's business partner at Rosemont Seneca along with co-owner Christopher Heinz, the stepson of then-Secretary of State John Kerry) and Archer was named to the board at Burisma.

d. 2014 May - Hunter was named to the board, to oversee Burisma’s legal team.

e. 2015 December? - 2nd Burisma investigation initiated.

f. 2016 February - email between State Department officials noted Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies, a lobbying firm hired by Burisma to end the natural gas company’s corruption probe, invoked Hunter Biden’s name.

g. 2016 March - Joe had the Prosecutor General Vicktor Shokin fired for $1,000,000,000.00.

h. 2016 November - Election.

i. 2019 Apr - Hunter leaves Burisma.


Burisma Holdings pressed State Department official for meeting to end corruption probe in 2016 - Washington Times
 
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Mach said:
And yet our entire society has required ever-more laws to control the humans in charge, to relatively good effect over time.
And here you are saying it's not a lack of rules? It's like socialism...you think we're gonna change human nature? That's a failed model.

What specific things are some examples you believe makes government broken, are they reasonable, and are you voting for candidates that champion those things?

Money in government
Corruption in government
The lack of accountability in congress

Examples.

In every other system we humans employ to do complex, important work, we develop process. Boring, operational rules, that meet our stated objectives.
The process rules have to be designed, and updated regularly. When changes occur (market, system, economy, etc.), you often have to revise and/or add new ones.

No one good in operations complains that "we worship rules!!!"...or "Fewer rules is better!!", like we see libertarian/Republican types argue. You see capable, intelligent humans, develop reasonable, effective process that nearly flawlessly solves the problems associated with the workings of a human endeavor. We have the intellectual horsepower in the U.S. to solve most problems, it's; not even that difficult once the right people are processes are in place.

How are we going to get good rules in place, when Rush/Hannity, etc., run incredibly effective propaganda to push the whim of corporation/wealthy who hold a disproportionate amount of political power? Identify problems, come up with solutions, pursue them relentlessly. If too bored, at least vote for people who you believe can do this.
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Not sure I understand all your points, but I will answer your specific question and pass on the rhetorical ones.

Here are examples of how government is broken and how it assaults the founding document:

The USA Patriot Act contradicts and nullifies the Fourth Amendment. Our duly elected representatives gave that to us.

The Military Commissions Act and associated NDAA budget amendments ever since authorizes indefinite detention, the nullification of Habeas Corpus.

The Authorization for the Use Of Military Force is pure political sophistry, is unnecessary, and is the foundation for the fraud of our War Of Terror. It's a fraud, and it has been extremely expensive in terms of money and blood.

The persecution and torture of the journalist Julian Assange is an affront to civilized society and the rule of law, yet not one person in the US government can find enough conscience to object.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
twump has an entire life history of criminal fraud. That you try and rationalize it away just confirms that, if nothing else, you are indeed an unwitting cultist.
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Trump is one of those unconvicted felons that seem to populate our politician class.
 
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