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We are not all cultists or Trumpets

trixare4kids said:
I was discussing gdgyva's points of view in his post before you rudely interrupted the dialogue with yet another of your rude, self-righteous blithering rambles.

Go away now...
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I am not here to follow your sick wishes.

and by the way, talking about the OP, you are the perfect example of what the OP is trying to stop. You are a cultist and Trumpet.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I do not think that you, gdgyva, are a cultist or a Trumpet. I just think that you and your side picked a dangerously inept and evil person to lead the country.
Hey, it HAPPENS.

And someday if the lefties aren't careful, we may wind up electing a bold and boisterous populist huckster with evil intent and nonexistent morals.
As the comedian Judy Tenuta says:

"IT COULD HAPPEN!"



You and I have had knock down drag outs and we've had reasonable and civil debates, about tons of stuff.
We DON'T agree on a lot and we do agree on a couple of things.
I don't know if I've managed to open your eyes on anything but I've found some of your positions to be worth considering from time to time.

It's the Trump thing, even other conservatives agree that he is destroying conservatism, and by the way, as a LIBERAL, I say here and now that conservatism is a very valuable thing that liberals should learn to appreciate and incorporate in some manner where possible because the two sides actually need each other, and VICE VERSA.

Trump is turning conservatism's public face into a joke.
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I have said it before...and i will say it again

Trump is not a conservative...was never a conservative....will never be a conservative

He doesnt speak for me...never did

The only good thing about Trump is that he isnt Hillary...and that isnt saying much

And yes, we are supposed to be opposed on some things....

My wife is a moderate democrat....i am a moderate conservative....on some things we agree, on some things we differ greatly

The one thing we can agree on is that DC is broken....and compromise is a word neither side wants to use

"must not let other side have any type of win" is and has been the mantra in DC for way too many years now

Instead of "hey we can both get a little of what we want, and the american people are the true winners" which used to be the way

How i long for some of the old time politicians who were bulldogs but knew how to negotiate and do deals...like Tip O'Neill
 
trixare4kids said:
I think those who would write the above actually are livid that we didn't choose who they voted for, Saint Hillary.
Let's just cut to the chase.
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I expected better from you but I guess that proves the difference between you and someone like gdgyva.
You go ahead and believe that "I am livid that you did not vote for Hillary" if you want...there's nothing I can do to stop your cultish beliefs.
And the funniest thing is, you and I were both here all along, so I know for a fact that you saw me supporting Bernie all the way till the end of the primaries, and you know for a fact that I openly stated that I was only supporting Hillary as a hedge against Trump, and not because I thought she was any kind of a saint.
In fact, I continually pushed the interviews with PJ O'Rourke where he said that even he was supporting "The Devil We Know", and he hated Sanders, describing him as "the Donald Trump for people still living in their parents’ basements."

But I guess Trump has modified your brain to the point where your own memory faculties only stretch back as far as his most recent Tweets, thus your mind now operates much like the security loop on a dashcam, where once its lilliputian memory buffer is full, it erases all the events of the previous sixty seconds unless the driver presses the right button to save the event to the storage card.

And so, like anything that obeys a supersized amygdala, you have instinctively reverted back to branding everyone outside of Trumplandia as being Hillary worshippers because projection is the coin of the realm in cult behavior, namely the act of accusing everyone else of the very issues that actually apply to you, a cultist who worships Saint Donald.

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Sorry Trix...your lame assertion is more defective than

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and it's about to become as flat, too.
Have fun with your "chase" while running on those tires.
 
BlueElk said:
Because the "Left" Socialist/Communist/Democrats (Propose Unilateral Gun Confiscation) has been exposed, there is no longer reason to pretend.

For those in tune to he tactics of the "Left", nothing has changed. It is nice that to see another enlightened. There was never actual resolution based discussion with the "Left" as chaos and disruption is the goal. While the "Right" seeks resolution to an issue (like Los Angeles homeless), the "Left" views this as a success story, with the add bonus of see the "Right" upset. Miserable, is who they are, and want the "Right" to join them.



The Original Post has "triggered" the "Left". Look at response #2, all three sentences are either counterproductive, circular reasoning or nonsense.

#2 - "How do you discuss differences when the folks on the right use kellyanne's alternative facts? If I thought trump was innocent I would say so and take the crap from the left for saying so. I'm out for truth not party." ​
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So you decided that the OP 'triggered' the left in the third post here, because of the second post directly above. That represents a sample size of - one post by someone who self identifies as progressive. You don't think that represents part of the problem around here? How hard would it have been to better identify this subset of the set within another set . He had a name sitting right there in front of you.
 
I can't speak for the site because not a member long enough to "know" anyone here who posts. What I can say is that Trump is corrupt, an extremist and a pathological liar. While most politicians may not be as honest as we'd like them to be; our leader is the worse and his base seems to excuse everything he does. He needs to be voted out and I don't care if it is a Republican or a Democrat who replaces him. He just needs to go.
 
gdgyva said:
How i long for some of the old time politicians who were bulldogs but knew how to negotiate and do deals...like Tip O'Neill
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I grew up in the Washington DC you describe and I know what you're talking about.
We agree on this basic premise.

And prior to Trump, yes I DID bitch and moan about issues, yes I DID criticize things the president or Congress did that I didn't like but it felt nothing like this.
 
gdgyva said:
It is becoming impossible to discuss anything on this site anymore.

If you disagree with anything that a progressive/liberal/democrat writes or thinks you are usually labelled a cultist or a Trumpet....they dont argue the value of your thought or idea....they attack you because you are ONE OF THEM

And yes, i am sure some times you are being attacked just as well....

I think it is a microcosm of America....

And something needs to happen to break the mold....the animosity and anger displayed is frightening

And i know we are more enlightened and better informed than the majority of other people.

I think we all care what happens to our country....and yes, we have differing views on how we should do things

I just see this coming to a really bad ending....and even though i love discussing politics, this is no longer fun...no longer educational...

We should be able to discuss differences as adults....but maybe that is just too much to ask now
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Division is ever present, but what's changed recently is the means we can foster the growth of division. As I have posted many times before, I don't see what will be the catalyst for that kind of change. This can all start at the individual level in how we engage with each other in every aspect of communication, but with so many people attached with either side of the political spectrum, it becomes hard to address actual issues. For the most part, there's a tendency to defend sides than engage in rational discussion. If this site is a microcosm of the outside world, we are screwed.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I expected better from you but I guess that proves the difference between you and someone like gdgyva.
You go ahead and believe that "I am livid that you did not vote for Hillary" if you want...there's nothing I can do to stop your cultish beliefs.
And the funniest thing is, you and I were both here all along, so I know for a fact that you saw me supporting Bernie all the way till the end of the primaries, and you know for a fact that I openly stated that I was only supporting Hillary as a hedge against Trump, and not because I thought she was any kind of a saint.
In fact, I continually pushed the interviews with PJ O'Rourke where he said that even he was supporting "The Devil We Know", and he hated Sanders, describing him as "the Donald Trump for people still living in their parents’ basements."

But I guess Trump has modified your brain to the point where your own memory faculties only stretch back as far as his most recent Tweets, thus your mind now operates much like the security loop on a dashcam, where once its lilliputian memory buffer is full, it erases all the events of the previous sixty seconds unless the driver presses the right button to save the event to the storage card.

And so, like anything that obeys a supersized amygdala, you have instinctively reverted back to branding everyone outside of Trumplandia as being Hillary worshippers because projection is the coin of the realm in cult behavior, namely the act of accusing everyone else of the very issues that actually apply to you, a cultist who worships Saint Donald.

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Sorry Trix...your lame assertion is more defective than

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and it's about to become as flat, too.
Have fun with your "chase" while running on those tires.
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Nothing from you but deflection, and personal attacks because you didn't like that I refuted what you wrote below. (in bolded red)
Funny, that you expect better from others but can't live by your own standards.

I was right. You are seething because those of us who don't think like you are not to be respected as voters... And then you doubled down showing me what you really think of Trump voters who contest you. Congrats for making my point. You are upset that people had the ****ing audacity for not voting for your choice.

Buckle up. We won't be voting for your side, and not a gosh darn thing you can do about it but call us names again. ;)

eta: And stop lying... I wasn't even posting here until long after the election; around June of 2017 so I had NO idea who you supported or voted for, and if you read for context who you voted for didn't make any difference to my point to your silliness expressed below. Btw, you ought to know both gdgyva and I did not vote for Trump but look at you make it up as you go along... The only difference between gdgyva and me is that I support Trump whereas he does not. Get your facts straight.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
I do not think that you, gdgyva, are a cultist or a Trumpet. I just think that you and your side picked a dangerously inept and evil person to lead the country.
Hey, it HAPPENS.
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trixare4kids said:
Nothing from you but deflection, and personal attacks because you didn't like that I refuted what you wrote below. (in bolded red)
Funny, that you expect better from others but can't live by your own standards.

I was right. You are seething because those of us who don't think like you are not to be respected as voters... And then you doubled down showing me what you really think of Trump voters who contest you. Congrats for making my point. You are upset that people had the ****ing audacity for not voting for your choice.

Buckle up. We won't be voting for your side, and not a gosh darn thing you can do about it but call us names again. ;)

eta: And stop lying... I wasn't even posting here until long after the election; around June of 2017 so I had NO idea who you supported or voted for, and if you read for context who you voted for didn't make any difference to my point to your silliness expressed below. Btw, you ought to know both gdgyva and I did not vote for Trump but look at you make it up as you go along... The only difference between gdgyva and me is that I support Trump whereas he does not. Get your facts straight.
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Think this through. I know some of you will. Others...not so much.

The gist of the argument from the Right is that inviting a foreign power to manipulate our elections isn’t impeachable. Let that sink in.

Of course it is impeachable. It is also a criminal act, probably one worthy of long prison terms, if not more, because our very freedom relies heavily on the integrity of our elections. So, cut the bull****. Trumpers! It's time to put the country above the Cult.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Did you know that, despite the size of the network, they barely use ANY satellite services at all except for coverage of important live events and for the nightly news broadcasts? Almost everything else is distributed physically through a "pony express" type system where programming materials are hand delivered from station to station.
I think some of the children's programs are distributed simultaneously via satellite but most of the primetime documentaries and same such are not, which is why a PBS viewer in St. Louis can't tell a friend and fellow PBS viewer in Ft. Lauderdale to tune in for a show at the same time unless it's a big special or live television.
The last time PBS made as much use of satellite as the other networks was when they ran gavel to gavel coverage of Watergate.
It would cost them almost a million a month to have a dedicated bird in the sky, and they can't afford it.
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We have a local outlet right down the street. It serves about a million listeners. But, it's located in a village of 3500, and the "station" consists of nothing more than a handful of rooms rented from a local university. At most, I see three or four cars parked there when I walk my dogs. And, looking in the window, there is never more than one person to me seen.

I was always surprised by that.
 
Luckyone said:
I am not here to follow your sick wishes.

and by the way, talking about the OP, you are the perfect example of what the OP is trying to stop. You are a cultist and Trumpet.
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More Luckyone ad hominem fails, another day...
 
gdgyva said:
Maybe you dont discuss with that poster?

You try to advise once, and then turn them off

I have had to put over 20 people on ignore....because i just cant discuss things with them rationally

I dont know....i just see this place turning ugly.....i dont like it
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There are are a lot of posters both on the extreme left and the right on DP. I compare this forum to the people that show up for a primary election. I have almost 20 on ignore as well. But I've also friended a couple of posters with whom I often disagree because I respect their intellectual honesty and ability to express their views.

I put people on ignore when they tend to mostly troll and/or engage in personal attacks. There are many posters who I feel are gleeful at the anger and fear trump stirs up in others.
 
God bless the two party system. The tug-of-war actually works. I seriously doubt that anyone here would be happy living under the policies of either side indefinitely.
 
lurchadams said:
There are are a lot of posters both on the extreme left and the right on DP. I compare this forum to the people that show up for a primary election. I have almost 20 on ignore as well. But I've also friended a couple of posters with whom I often disagree because I respect their intellectual honesty and ability to express their views.

I put people on ignore when they tend to mostly troll and/or engage in personal attacks. There are many posters who I feel are gleeful at the anger and fear trump stirs up in others.
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agreed...we have posters on both sides i have to tune out

itseems their only wish is to aggravate the other side...not discuss or learn

i am kicking 60 in the ass, and am not afraid to say i dont crap about a LOT of things

i can be stubborn (ask my wife)...but usually can be reasoned with

what i and probably most dont like is the "bully" approach...

see it my way or else.....sorry but no
 
trixare4kids said:
I don't think many Trump voters or supporters agree or defend every thing he says or does and yet they continued to be labeled and marginalized as cultists and Trumpists anyway. Read this forum if you don't believe it.
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Again I believe there is a significant difference between people who voted for Trump in 2016. Some of them had some good arguements for their vote and I am friends with many of them.

Those that support him today and support or agree with everything he's doing and not doing. Those are cultists.

You know I'm glad I live in the real world where someone can say to me damn I like what he did with (insert whatever you want here) but why does he have to act like such a jerk?
It's okay for any of us here to say or do stuff a little crazy but his words and actions have national & worldwide implications.
It's a sad day we live in when so many think the stuff he says means nothing and won't have lasting implications.
 
GDViking said:
Exactly no president is perfect.

I liked Obama, probably the best president in my lifetime, However i have no problem pointing out things he did and did not do that I don't agree with.

Just as bush was an embarrassment, he still accomplished some good things, particularly in his last year in office when he got the balls to tell Cheney for the first time he was not president.

I never expect to agree 100% with anyone I vote for, and if I do one of us is being dishonest...
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Same here there was a lot that Obama did and didn't do (more in the didn't column) that I was unhappy with.
 
JasperL said:
It is sad. My mom and I used to love debating politics. We often agreed, but it was more fun when we didn't. But she has a boyfriend (dad died 10 years or so ago) and he's fine, but he's a Fox News junkie, reads books by Rush and Levin, etc. and we had to agree that politics was off limits, period, never, not on any issue. It's a real loss.
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Lol and my parents have become lefty liberal activists. There out there getting arrested. My dad turns 80 in March mom 78 in December. Its crazy.
My dad says he feels responsible for falling asleep at the wheel.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Again I believe there is a significant difference between people who voted for Trump in 2016. Some of them had some good arguements for their vote and I am friends with many of them.

Those that support him today and support or agree with everything he's doing and not doing. Those are cultists.

You know I'm glad I live in the real world where someone can say to me damn I like what he did with (insert whatever you want here) but why does he have to act like such a jerk?
It's okay for any of us here to say or do stuff a little crazy but his words and actions have national & worldwide implications.
It's a sad day we live in when so many think the stuff he says means nothing and won't have lasting implications.
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Ok, good points.
I've been saying he acts like a jerk since before the election.
TBH, as a conservative, looking for a president who guides as a conservative leader, he was one of my last choices during the primaries.

I was surprised he won the election, but I would be lying if I said I am sad he beat Hillary. That doesn't mean that I think Trump is a man of good character either. Only that his policies mostly align with my own. Does that mean I am enjoying every single one of his policies? That would be a no.

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That all said, because of what I wrote above, I believe he deserves another term. (bolded above)
Plus, the Democrats pickings for now, remain between slim and none. I am also pretty pissed off at the Democratic Party for their divisive shenanigans for the last three years. They deserve to lose the WH in 2020 because of this alone.

Btw, I am not a staunch Republican. The party needs a lot of work. Hence, one of the reasons I believe Trump beat out the establishment type Republicans in the primaries. For that matter, both parties need a lot of work.
I am more of a conservative with liberal social leanings; women's and gay rights included.
The less government in our lives, the better but I digress....
 
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trixare4kids said:
Ok, good points.
I've been saying he acts like a jerk since before the election.
TBH, as a conservative, looking for a president who guides as a conservative leader, he was one of my last choices during the primaries.

I was surprised he won the election, but I would be lying if I said I am sad he beat Hillary. That doesn't mean that I think Trump is a man of good character either. Only that his policies mostly align with my own. Does that mean I am enjoying every single one of his policies? That would be a no.

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That all said, because of what I wrote above, I believe he deserves another term. (bolded above)
Plus, the Democrats pickings for now, remain between slim and none. I am also pretty pissed off at the Democratic Party for their divisive shenanigans for the last three years. They deserve to lose the WH in 2020 because of this alone.

Btw, I am not a staunch Republican. The party needs a lot of work. Hence, one of the reasons I believe Trump beat out the establishment type Republicans in the primaries. For that matter, both parties need a lot of work.
I am more of a conservative with liberal social leanings; women's and gay rights included.
The less government in our lives, the better but I digress....
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Trump's only policies are corruption and being a bully. He has no political ideology, except for self-worship. Therefore, I have no idea what you mean when you say you agree with his policies.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Lol and my parents have become lefty liberal activists. There out there getting arrested. My dad turns 80 in March mom 78 in December. Its crazy.
My dad says he feels responsible for falling asleep at the wheel.
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Good for them! :thumbs:
 
gdgyva said:
agreed...we have posters on both sides i have to tune out

itseems their only wish is to aggravate the other side...not discuss or learn

i am kicking 60 in the ass, and am not afraid to say i dont crap about a LOT of things

i can be stubborn (ask my wife)...but usually can be reasoned with

what i and probably most dont like is the "bully" approach...

see it my way or else.....sorry but no
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It is not about seeing one way or the other based on party slants. It is about seeing truths/facts and lies. There is no opinion when it comes to fact. Either Trump tried to extort the Ukrainian president or he didn't. You can't say he did but it is okay. Extortion is wrong............period.

I lean to to the Democratic side but I was a Republican for over 30 years so I see good and bad things about each side. With Trump though, my criticism is not about the party bias but about who Trump is as a person and not about his representation of his party. Trump is garbage as a person. Simple as that. I would vote against him even if I disliked or disagreed with the opposite party/nominee. He is that bad. Bluntly speaking, Hillary was a saint compared to Trump and I didn't like Hillary either.
 
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You have to be a cultist, if you are not drumming this guy out of town.

A question for Trump voters ONLY: How can you continue to support someone who just admitted to a court that he looted nearly $3 million from a charity that was supposed to help veterans?

Sane Democrat
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Obviously they do not give a ****
 
gdgyva said:
It is becoming impossible to discuss anything on this site anymore.

If you disagree with anything that a progressive/liberal/democrat writes or thinks you are usually labelled a cultist or a Trumpet....they dont argue the value of your thought or idea....they attack you because you are ONE OF THEM

And yes, i am sure some times you are being attacked just as well....

I think it is a microcosm of America....

And something needs to happen to break the mold....the animosity and anger displayed is frightening

And i know we are more enlightened and better informed than the majority of other people.

I think we all care what happens to our country....and yes, we have differing views on how we should do things

I just see this coming to a really bad ending....and even though i love discussing politics, this is no longer fun...no longer educational...

We should be able to discuss differences as adults....but maybe that is just too much to ask now
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Can't hear you over the decades of being called a communist for the crime of having not voted republican.
 
trixare4kids said:
God help this country when he wins reelection in a landslide.
They will take it to the streets and I don't mean in a peaceful way.

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Well, that's the question.

If rank & file Democrat Party TDS sufferers were serious about any of this...

...they'd be burning their millions from the Trump Economy in the streets.

But they aren't.

Noisy and destructive, but also hypocritical cowards.

Vandals and sneak thieves.
 
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