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We are not all cultists or Trumpets

Trump said:
thats why we need to investigate....the more we learn the more questions we have
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Really? A consulting firm hired by the company that had Hunter Biden on it's board dropped his name to try and get a meeting? *LOL* That's the best you've got? Name dropping? Jeez.... I once sat on Maureen O'Hara's lap - you going to investigate me now too?

You don't need to ask questions, Trump... The President and the Attorney General should have all the answers. All I want to know is the evidence that was relied on against the Bidens that was so compelling to defer the release of the foreign aid package... that, and how Rudy Giuliani got connected with it. That's all. It should be a simple matter for them to let us both know, don't you think?
 
Excast said:
Well, let's discuss that.

We've all watched Donald Trump over these last few years. The attacks on Gold Star families, disabled people, women, and war heroes. We've seen the willful ignorance and the peddling of conspiracy theories. We've seen example after example, whether it be the obstruction of justice laid out in the Mueller report or the illegal payoffs he coordinated with Cohen, that make it clear he thinks he is above the law. We've seen the constant barrage of lies to the tune of 13.5 a day.

And despite that, most polls of Republicans show that 90%+ still support him.

So, what exactly should that tell the rest of us about the values of the modern Republican Party?
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For one group of Republicans, it's all about tax cuts
For another group it's all about appointing conservative judges/overturning Roe v. Wade, for a third it's all about sticking it to the elitist, and for a 4th group, it's all about validating their racist ideology.

For each of these groups, their one issue overrides anything and everything else.
 
beancounter said:
Dismissing/excusing everything that he does as no big deal, is the equivalent of agreeing with his actions.
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While I don't disagree with what you wrote, I still don't think there are many Trump supporters who do the above.
I know that they are accused of doing the above, but that doesn't make it true. I think many who did not want Trump to win the election use terms like Trumpist and cultist because they are misplacing the blame onto his base.
 
Bullseye said:
Bingo! We have an enormous problem with our sources - they take and defend sides and their entire (or most) output is slanted towards that defense.

Look at this continuing cat fight over "quid pro quo". Suddenly Heads of State making deals or agreements is a capital crime. The world OPERATES on quid pro quo, which is fine as long as the quid and the quo are legal. Go to your favorite bar - you make a quid pro quo with the bartender "if you give me that IPA I will give you six dollars"

IMHO anyone that doesn't want the Biden situation in relation to Ukraine, INCLUDING its role in the 2016 election, fully investigate just isn't being realistic. BUT IT MUST be investigated EVEN IF one of the person's of interest MAY eventually end up as Trump's opponent (IMHO, looking less likely every day).

Madness reigns, sadly.
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You have a problem with Trump as a liberal "source"? You have a problem with Mike Mulvaney as a liberal "source"? You have a problem with the White House as a liberal "source"?

Are those the liberal "sources" justifying impeachment that you're complaining about?

Just more lame, Repug empty rhetoric. You're obviously incapable of objective thought and intellectual honesty.
 
beancounter said:
For one group of Republicans, it's all about tax cuts
For another group it's all about appointing conservative judges/overturning Roe v. Wade, for a third it's all about sticking it to the elitist, and for a 4th group, it's all about validating their racist ideology.

For each of these groups, their one issue overrides anything and everything else.
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All of which could be accomplished with a President Pence.

Why is Donald Trump not just tolerated by the right, but beloved? Because he is as vile, cruel, and childish as many of them wish they could publicly be without facing societal backlash. Believe me, I wish I didn't live in a reality where I am surrounded by tens of millions of people who love a man who represents all of humanity's worst qualities. Really, I do. But when they keep coming to bat for the guy time after time eventually you kind of just have to accept that they like the things he does because they aren't exactly very nice people.
 
trixare4kids said:
While I don't disagree with what you wrote, I still don't think there are many Trump supporters who do the above.
I know that they are accused of doing the above, but that doesn't make it true. I think many who did not want Trump to win the election use terms like Trumpist and cultist because they are misplacing the blame onto his base.
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Umm, who exactly should be blamed for the man's continued popularity among conservative Americans? People who didn't vote for him? The right created this mess and deserves contempt for it.
 
trixare4kids said:
Thanks for making the O/P's point.
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Trump admits his corruption in front of reporters and you want to point to me as the problem?

You poor creepy Trump cultists can't accept responsibility for anything.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
See, this is a perfect example of an irrational argument.

Is Nixon guilty? No, his opponents just wanted to overturn the election. It's a nonsense irrational argument.
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"trixare4kids" was a reply to "Trump", NOT to "SonOfDeadalalus".

"Cordelier" & "Jasper" must be groupies.

This is where a Leftist makes ad hominem attack.

Note: Press the little blue spot in the quote bubble to backtrack the thread THEN use the left arrow at the top to return one page at a time.
 
Excast said:
Umm, who exactly should be blamed for the man's continued popularity among conservative Americans? People who didn't vote for him? The right created this mess and deserves contempt for it.
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Trump was elected because the American people, residing in most of our states, thought he was better than Hillary.
When will you come to accept the fact that the Democrats ran a crappier candidate? Put your contempt where it rightfully belongs. With the Democrats.
 
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Excast said:
All of which could be accomplished with a President Pence.

Why is Donald Trump not just tolerated by the right, but beloved? Because he is as vile, cruel, and childish as many of them wish they could publicly be without facing societal backlash. Believe me, I wish I didn't live in a reality where I am surrounded by tens of millions of people who love a man who represents all of humanity's worst qualities. Really, I do. But when they keep coming to bat for the guy time after time eventually you kind of just have to accept that they like the things he does because they aren't exactly very nice people.
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I think the 3rd and 4th group in my short list encompass the people you mentioned.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Trump admits his corruption in front of reporters and you want to point to me as the problem?

You poor creepy Trump cultists can't accept responsibility for anything.
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Sell your trollish posts to someone who buys them...
 
BlueElk said:
"trixare4kids" was a reply to "Trump", NOT to "SonOfDeadalalus".

"Cordelier" & "Jasper" must be groupies.

This is where a Leftist makes ad hominem attack.

Note: Press the little blue spot in the quote bubble to backtrack the thread THEN use the left arrow at the top to return one page at a time.
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It's always a juvenile, ad hominem attack with those who argue from a place of anger and resentment.
 
gdgyva said:
There were a LOT of Benghazi hearings....i agree

But imo it was because we LOST american lives

And facts were hard to come by early in that case
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Facts were hard to come by because Hillary and Obama did nothing wrong. Duh.

Facts certainly aren't hard to come by regarding the Ukraine scandal. Especially with Trump, Mike Mulvaney, and the White House admitting their guilty. And 5 people have testified to the quid pro quo. Oops.

Therefore, you should now understand why we call you Trump cultists. Your cult hero Trump admits he's guilty and you STILL defend him.
 
3leftsdoo said:
Admit that Trump is LITERALLY Hitler!

ADMIT IT!!!!

:2mad:

:donkeyfla
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Have ever in your life, did you think that grown adults could act like complete nincompoops over their candidate losing to Trump?

:roll:
 
trixare4kids said:
Trump was elected because the American people, residing in most of our states, thought he was better than Hillary.
When will you come to accept the fact that the Democrats ran a crappier candidate? Put your contempt where it rightfully belongs. With the Democrats.
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Democrats are responsible for the Republican party choosing Trump from among like 15 candidates for their party's nomination and blindly following him no matter what he says or who he hurts.
 
Excast said:
Democrats are responsible for the Republican party choosing Trump from among like 15 candidates for their party's nomination and blindly following him no matter what he says or who he hurts.
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You're a revisionist.
 
trixare4kids said:
Have ever in your life, did you think that grown adults could act like complete nincompoops over their candidate losing to Trump?

:roll:
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The worst Hillbot behavior prior to November 2016 - and it was pretty bad - did not prepare me.

Complete insanity.
 
Excast said:
Umm, who exactly should be blamed for the man's continued popularity among conservative Americans? People who didn't vote for him? The right created this mess and deserves contempt for it.
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Well, since you asked: Blame the loony toon left that forgot its base and wandered off into the weeds. They spent more time inventing "rights" for a huge population of victims and forgot to pay attention to the people liberals originally spoke for: families, working people; people working hard to build a life offering hope and chance for prosperity. They foolishly ignored them, derided them and ignored them. They became inhabitants of "fly-over country". Trump came along, spoke to them, and works to meet THEIR NEEDS; jobs, wages, security, prosperity. And they paid him back for it. They don't care about his tweets, most don't like his behavior, but he's not coming to dinner anyway. They like jobs, raises, paying less tax. As a result Dems lost about thousand seats.
 
3leftsdoo said:
The worst Hillbot behavior prior to November 2016 - and it was pretty bad - did not prepare me.

Complete insanity.
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God help this country when he wins reelection in a landslide.
They will take it to the streets and I don't mean in a peaceful way.

:shock:
 
Excast said:
Democrats are responsible for the Republican party choosing Trump from among like 15 candidates for their party's nomination and blindly following him no matter what he says or who he hurts.
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Yes, of course. This is the Democrats' fault. Republicans are no longer the party of personal responsibility.
 
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