• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

We are not all cultists or Trumpets

Bullseye said:
First off, it's been discussed ad Nauseam elsewhere.
Click to expand...

All I've seen pretty much boils down to "The President said there was corruption... so there must be corruption."

Since we don't live in a monarchy or a dictatorship - and I'm inclined to keep it that way - that's not good enough for me.

Do you have something more substantial than that to offer?
 
gdgyva said:
There were a LOT of Benghazi hearings....i agree

But imo it was because we LOST american lives

And facts were hard to come by early in that case
Click to expand...

I don't want to rehash that whole era, but there were at least NINE completed investigations, 5 by House Republicans, none of them found serious wrongdoing by Hillary or top aides, and then in 2014 Trey Gowdy opened up House GOP investigation #6, and investigation #10. That lasted for another two years, through June of 2016.... Same findings as the previous NINE.

So, yeah, some of remember that era way, way back 3 years ago, and don't take the whining from the same people who engaged in that stuff seriously. Sorry.
 
Bullseye said:
If you have to ask, further discussion on that would be fruitless.
Click to expand...

Actually, I've never heard anyone allege any crime, or possible crime, by Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. If you could fill me in that would be awesome. Thanks. It's part of the disconnect here. The story is Joe corruptly (and with the cooperation of Obama, the State dept, ambassador, IMF, UK, reformers in Ukraine, etc.....) pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin to protect Hunter Biden, but we never hear from what prosecution. What crime did Hunter allegedly or possibly commit that put him at prosecutorial risk should Shokin continue the investigation he was not-doing when Joe got him fired?

I'm dying to know!
 
Excast said:
If people make the conscious decision to continue supporting Trump after all of the abhorrent things he has said and done, that is on them. It isn't up to me to pretend they are okay and perfectly normal in order to soothe their spirits. Perhaps they should engage in a little self reflection and ask themselves why they actively encourage behavior in their political leaders that they would never accept from their children.

I know some people want to turn every political discussion into a "both sides" argument where Democrats and Republicans are always either equally good or equally malicious. Where we all are approaching issues with good intentions but just have honest, understandable differences of opinion. But if you are still doing that you are either intellectually lazy, not paying attention, or lying to yourself.
Click to expand...

They wouldn't accept this behavior from friends, spouses or family.
For the last year I made the decision to no longer try to change minds but to just go about my merry way when someone brings up politics. I do everything I can to avoid political conversations. The problem is everyone knows I'm involved and I used to support many Republican policies.
I know I can, could, would never again support anyone in that party until all the enablers there now are gone.

I remember the days when you could just have a good debate on a policy. There is no policy to discuss anymore. It's all Trump all day he leaves no oxygen.
Cspan has had some really good hearings that no one is reporting on....its sad.
 
HumblePi said:
Kellyanne Conway was on Meet The Press right after Sean Spicer made the statement about Trump's inaugural crowd being the biggest in history -- EVER! It wasn't, he was lying. Chuck Todd asked Kellyanne why he told a 'falsehood' (this was before people called out lies as lies) about the crowd size and she insisted he didn't lie, that it was 'alternative facts'. As Chuck Todd pointed out to her, 'alternative facts' aren't facts, they're falsehoods.

Now you know the type of lie that Kellyanne Conway refers to as 'alternative facts'.

Click to expand...
LOL, you actually dug this up? And you're calling us cultists? You guys get so wrapped-around-the-axle on the stupidest things. :roll:
 
Cordelier said:
C'mon Gdgyva....what was the point other than to try and embarrass the Administration? I can understand the Department of State conducting a review to see what went wrong and learn lessons from it. Perfectly fair. But it was a tragic miscalculation. Was there really any need to rub Secretary Clinton's nose in it?
Click to expand...

YES.....we know she lied about video. cover up was her own making....Hillary earned her nose rubbing:shrug:
 
trixare4kids said:
Does sarcasm always escape you?
I wasn't trying to make a "rational argument".

I was mocking forum leftists pretending that they are liberal in thought.
Every one of us has the right to vote for whomever... but with some on this forum and ONLY because they decided to exercise their own personal conscience and cast the vote for Trump instead of Hillary, they are labeled crooked, stupid, cultists, in denial and worse, the latter being the O/P's thread premise.
Click to expand...

No voting for Trump does not make you a cultist.
Supporting/defending every thing he says or does makes you a cultist.
 
JasperL said:
Actually, I've never heard anyone allege any crime, or possible crime, by Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. If you could fill me in that would be awesome. Thanks. It's part of the disconnect here. The story is Joe corruptly (and with the cooperation of Obama, the State dept, ambassador, IMF, UK, reformers in Ukraine, etc.....) pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin to protect Hunter Biden, but we never hear from what prosecution. What crime did Hunter allegedly or possibly commit that put him at prosecutorial risk should Shokin continue the investigation he was not-doing when Joe got him fired?

I'm dying to know!
Click to expand...
Keep dying. :lol:

Or, as you guys love to sing whenever Trump stonewalls: If they've got nothing to hide why are they, and you, afraid of an investigation? :cool:
 
Last edited:
Middle_Ground said:
No voting for Trump does not make you a cultist.
Supporting/defending every thing he says or does makes you a cultist.
Click to expand...
Which makes a lot of local leftists Schiff/Mueller/Pelosi/AOC cultists. :lamo
 
Middle_Ground said:
They wouldn't accept this behavior from friends, spouses or family.
For the last year I made the decision to no longer try to change minds but to just go about my merry way when someone brings up politics. I do everything I can to avoid political conversations. The problem is everyone knows I'm involved and I used to support many Republican policies.
I know I can, could, would never again support anyone in that party until all the enablers there now are gone.

I remember the days when you could just have a good debate on a policy. There is no policy to discuss anymore. It's all Trump all day he leaves no oxygen.
Cspan has had some really good hearings that no one is reporting on....its sad.
Click to expand...

I feel as if arguments used to be based around core differences in policy. Take something like torturing detainees. I found that reprehensible. Many on the right argued in favor of it.

Nowadays they would simply claim it was fake news if someone reported on it. You can't have a meaningful policy debate with people who don't even acknowledge living in the same reality as you.
 
I've noticed that many people either post links from extremely biased/CT sites, or they don't provide any links at all.

If you provide a link, even from a mainstream news organization, they will dismiss the site without providing a link that supports their own counterpoint.

I also see a lot of post that claim one isolated example is proof that an entire population acts or believes a certain way.
 
Middle_Ground said:
No voting for Trump does not make you a cultist.
Supporting/defending every thing he says or does makes you a cultist.
Click to expand...

I don't think many Trump voters or supporters agree or defend every thing he says or does and yet they continued to be labeled and marginalized as cultists and Trumpists anyway. Read this forum if you don't believe it.
 
Excast said:
I feel as if arguments used to be based around core differences in policy. Take something like torturing detainees. I found that reprehensible. Many on the right argued in favor of it.

Nowadays they would simply claim it was fake news if someone reported on it. You can't have a meaningful policy debate with people who don't even acknowledge living in the same reality as you.
Click to expand...

and you support Schiff as he lies in a hearing about words used in Trump Ukraine phone call....:roll:
 
Bullseye said:
Keep dying. :lol:

Or, as you guys love to sing whenever Trump stonewalls: If they've got nothing to hide why are they, and you, afraid of an investigation? :cool:
Click to expand...

Roger Stone's trial is a doozy. You should read up on it. Bannon threw your boy Trump under the bus today. Oh, wait. Steve is a liberal. Amirite?
 
Excast said:
Sure, here you go.

Trump backers say he isn't the one dividing the country - CNNPolitics

Watch to the end of the clip, or check the quotes at the end of the story.
Click to expand...

Two of the women did not say what you said they said. Knowing the reason why Trump shot someone is a valid concern. IOW, they would want to know if he was acting out of self-defense before judging him as someone who was clearly acting with willful malice.

You misrepresented their pov when you claimed, "a few who made it clear that yes, they would still support Trump if he shot someone dead on 5th Avenue."
 
beancounter said:
I've noticed that many people either post links from extremely biased/CT sites, or they don't provide any links at all.

If you provide a link, even from a mainstream news organization, they will dismiss the site without providing a link that supports their own counterpoint.

I also see a lot of post that claim one isolated example is proof that an entire population acts or believes a certain way.
Click to expand...

Well, let's discuss that.

We've all watched Donald Trump over these last few years. The attacks on Gold Star families, disabled people, women, and war heroes. We've seen the willful ignorance and the peddling of conspiracy theories. We've seen example after example, whether it be the obstruction of justice laid out in the Mueller report or the illegal payoffs he coordinated with Cohen, that make it clear he thinks he is above the law. We've seen the constant barrage of lies to the tune of 13.5 a day.

And despite that, most polls of Republicans show that 90%+ still support him.

So, what exactly should that tell the rest of us about the values of the modern Republican Party?
 
trixare4kids said:
I don't think many Trump voters or supporters agree or defend every thing he says or does and yet they continued to be labeled and marginalized as cultists and Trumpists anyway. Read this forum if you don't believe it.
Click to expand...

Dismissing/excusing everything that he does as no big deal, is the equivalent of agreeing with his actions.
 
Middle_Ground said:
No voting for Trump does not make you a cultist.
Supporting/defending every thing he says or does makes you a cultist.
Click to expand...

Exactly no president is perfect.

I liked Obama, probably the best president in my lifetime, However i have no problem pointing out things he did and did not do that I don't agree with.

Just as bush was an embarrassment, he still accomplished some good things, particularly in his last year in office when he got the balls to tell Cheney for the first time he was not president.

I never expect to agree 100% with anyone I vote for, and if I do one of us is being dishonest...
 
Cordelier said:
I think they're legitimate questions to ask. Why don't you?
Click to expand...

They are, but you're talking to a guy that comes running into a room screaming about something and when you ask him to explain? He face plants into non answers.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom