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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by bongsaway View Post
    How do you discuss differences when the folks on the right use kellyanne's alternative facts? If I thought trump was innocent I would say so and take the crap from the left for saying so. I'm out for truth not party.
    Speaking of alternative facts, how do you discuss differences with people who genuinely think that the US can totally overhaul the world's entire energy economy in 12 years, while at the same time giving everyone (including anyone and everyone who comes here from another country, with or without permission) free healthcare, free college and 35-hour-per week living wage, and that anyone who disagrees with any of this is a brain-damaged climate-change denying racist?

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    They say payback's a bitch. But you're right. It sucks. They say you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. This Pandora Box of mean-spiritedness and division was opened by Newt Gengrich and Kenneth Starr a long time ago and it's only going to get worse. An eye for an eye until we all go blind.


    his quote

    how am i supposed to take that?
    That being a conservative and NOT pushing back against these narratives and holding your tribe accountable has made you complicit, that's how.

    Hence my ask of you to denounce the stuff I posted above, which you duly failed to do.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so anyone with a conservative or GOP tag gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang

    got it....i will bookmark this post for future discussions
    No, anyone pushing the Right Wing talking points gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang.

    Case in point:

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Sure...as soon as Nancy actually impeaches Trump...and puts those 30 odd democratic seats up for grabs

    Why should Trump give in first? What has Nancy put at risk at this point?
    If you want something bad enough, just take it.

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueElk View Post
    I would like to keep the "like".

    However as stated, I did not know/remember any of his personal information and looked him up prior to my reply.

    Never heard of Shaw and the Fabians before.

    I found Shaw was credited with many quotes.

    For example -

    "Dickens, without the slightest understanding of Socialism etc., would have seen at a glance that there is something wrong with a regime that needs a pyramid of corpses every few years."

    Live and Learn.
    Always! One point to consider is the times in which these men lived. It's such a mistake to look through our own prism back to a time in which we didn't live and then impose our "modern" sensibilities on that previous time and understanding. Eric Blair, for example, was a cop in Burma and fought in the Spanish Civil War. He lived on the streets for awhile too, which led to his first book, Down and Out in Paris and London.

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    That being a conservative and NOT pushing back against these narratives and holding your tribe accountable has made you complicit, that's how.

    Hence my ask of you to denounce the stuff I posted above, which you duly failed to do.
    you want me to denounce stuff of which i am not even aware...brilliant!!

    so every idiotic post by any democrat/progressive/leftist i will post and expect you to trash....is that the expectation now? Is that where you want this to go? That seems like where you want me to go....
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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    No, anyone pushing the Right Wing talking points gets treated as if he/she is part of the Trump gang.

    Case in point:
    The democrats are doing an impeachment inquiry....that is their right

    The president has made it known that his administration will not comply with the inquiry....because of Politics

    Play this anyway you want to, but without Nancy making this a full blown impeachment...it is nothing but a clown show

    She needs to give to get....only she doesnt want to take that risk....

    Now...those are facts....you can agree or disagree....which is why this inquiry will go on, and on, and on....

    until the witnesses dry up, and she is forced to make the decision one way or the other

    I am waiting....i am a GOP patriot....i want to see how this plays out in the end

    Will she or wont she call for the full vote? and put those 30 dem seats up for grabs?
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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you want me to denounce stuff of which i am not even aware...brilliant!!

    so every idiotic post by any democrat/progressive/leftist i will post and expect you to trash....is that the expectation now? Is that where you want this to go? That seems like where you want me to go....
    No, no, no.

    You are still not following.

    I want you, here and now, to DENOUNCE this rhetoric, even if you have not heard it.

    Denounce fox news - Ingraham, Hannity, Limbaugh. Coulter. Owens. Shapiro. All the right wing talking heads that call ME a traitor, an enemy of the state, a baby murderer.

    I want you to OPENLY DENOUNCE this rhetoric.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by Obscurity View Post
    No, no, no.

    You are still not following.

    I want you, here and now, to DENOUNCE this rhetoric, even if you have not heard it.

    Denounce fox news - Ingraham, Hannity, Limbaugh. Coulter. Owens. Shapiro. All the right wing talking heads that call ME a traitor, an enemy of the state, a baby murderer.

    I want you to OPENLY DENOUNCE this rhetoric.
    you put an article out here i can read...i will tell you if i agree or disagree

    other than that....i have done what i am going to do....i suggest you stop listening to "all this rhetoric" as it seems to upset you greatly

    maybe time to shut off the TV and go for a walk?
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    It is becoming impossible to discuss anything on this site anymore.

    If you disagree with anything that a progressive/liberal/democrat writes or thinks you are usually labelled a cultist or a Trumpet....they dont argue the value of your thought or idea....they attack you because you are ONE OF THEM

    And yes, i am sure some times you are being attacked just as well....

    I think it is a microcosm of America....

    And something needs to happen to break the mold....the animosity and anger displayed is frightening

    And i know we are more enlightened and better informed than the majority of other people.

    I think we all care what happens to our country....and yes, we have differing views on how we should do things

    I just see this coming to a really bad ending....and even though i love discussing politics, this is no longer fun...no longer educational...

    We should be able to discuss differences as adults....but maybe that is just too much to ask now
    I seriously think the blame largely belongs on Fox News, which has been successful at separating and labeling ideologies, creating phony outrage and demonizing those their pundits (Hannnity, Pirro, Carlson, Ingraham) disagree with. Calling it "News" is a farce. It's not journalism. Real journalists laugh at Fox News. And for good reasons.

    What's sad is that Roger Ailes' "formula" has been successful. We'd all have been better off if it wasn't. Much better off.
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    Re: We are not all cultists or Trumpets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    you put an article out here i can read...i will tell you if i agree or disagree

    other than that....i have done what i am going to do....i suggest you stop listening to "all this rhetoric" as it seems to upset you greatly

    maybe time to shut off the TV and go for a walk?
    The point flew RIGHT over your head.

    Right wingers have been INFLUENCED to the point that hearing comments like "I hate liberals" has become a regular occurence in public life.

    Without EACH INDIVIDUAL CONSERVATIVE STOPPING THIS RHETORIC THERE WILL BE NO CEASEFIRE.

    I will not, and refuse to speak with civility with individuals who actually refuse to denounce seditious hot air that has COMPLETELY INFESTED YOUR IDEOLOGY.

    You have utterly FAILED to convince me.

    I may be your political opposite, but I am a ****ing american, my ****ing vote counts, I buy the same **** you do.

    YOUR side has dehumanized me. YOUR SIDE has made me into a villain.

    You do NOT get to ask me to cease and desist if you are UNWILLING to individually DENOUNCE comments like:

    “There is now far too much ‘tolerance’ in America,” Huie declared in the first issue of the new Mercury. “We shall cry a new crusade of intolerance . . . the intolerance of bores, morons, world-savers, and damn fools.”

    Democrats hate America -- and here are the numbers to prove it - Washington Times

    Look at the headline. LOOK AT THIS HEADLINE.

    The 25 Best Ann Coulter Quotes About Liberals | John Hawkins' Right Wing News

    Look at these comments.

    The right wing is FILLED with vitriol like this. The republican party doesn't even recognize someone like me as a REAL AMERICAN CITIZEN.

    So **** that.

    You started this fire - I will let it burn to ashes.

    It starts with YOU personally DENOUNCING this rhetoric.
    #BDS

    No forgiveness here remains.

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