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High Crimes And Misdemeanors

Moderate Right said:
From my understanding a crime means you have broken the law. I would say that a high crime means you have broken a very serious law. If you commit a misdemeanor it also means you have broken the law. What laws has Trump actually broken? What crime has he been convicted of?
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You are behind in the times, you are using last years trump loyalist distraction.
 
Deuce said:
They're in a pretty tough spot. We all know how an actual impeachment proceeding will go. The GOP could have video of Trump stabbing a baby and they wouldn't vote to convict Trump in sufficient numbers in the Senate. They'd claim fake news, Fox News would say the video is doctored, the ultra right would say the baby had it coming, etc. So he's not going to be successfully removed from office via impeachment.

Option 1: Hold the vote in the house, it passes, goes to Senate and fails.

Option 2: Drop the whole thing.

Either way, Trump will proclaim he has been "totally exonerated," and if there's a trial a chunk of the population will buy it because "acquitted by Senate" will appear in the headlines. Regardless of what evidence was detailed at trial. We tend to forget on a message board like this that a large portion of the population just doesn't give a **** and barely pays attention to politics. So the hope is that the evidence unveiled will convince enough Democrats to get fired up to vote out the criminal president, and enough Republicans will stay home in 2020.

Problem is, you run the risk of firing up Republicans who try and close ranks around their guy, and turning off Democrats who see the Democrats failing in their goal. The question becomes about how many of each category you're going to affect.

Personally, I think doing nothing is the worse option. It may be personal bias, because if the Democrats walk away and don't even try to remove a criminal from the white house, I'm not terribly motivated to go out and vote for the useless ****s. You have to try and do the right thing, even if you know you will fail.
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At least democrats cannot be accused of doing nothing. They started calling for his impeachment 17 minutes after he took the oath of office and have been overturning rocks ever since looking for something to impeach him over.
 
Some of the comments one reads here do cause a person to wonder what world certain people are living in, as it seems to have little connection with reality.
 
Moderate Right said:
From my understanding a crime means you have broken the law. I would say that a high crime means you have broken a very serious law. If you commit a misdemeanor it also means you have broken the law. What laws has Trump actually broken? What crime has he been convicted of?
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Simply; bribery. Plain and in your face IMO
 
SCrider said:
Link?
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Previous efforts for impeachment
Further information: Efforts to impeach Donald Trump
Efforts to impeach President Trump have been made by various people and groups,[28][29] and talk of impeachment began even before Trump took office.[30] Formal efforts were initiated by Representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats (D), in 2017, the first year of his presidency.[31][32][33] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the then–Republican-led House by a 58–364 vote margin.[34]

Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump - Wikipedia
 
Moderate Right said:
From my understanding a crime means you have broken the law. I would say that a high crime means you have broken a very serious law. If you commit a misdemeanor it also means you have broken the law. What laws has Trump actually broken? What crime has he been convicted of?
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For the sake of argument, let’s assume you are correct (You aren’t but never the less). Who can overturn an impeachment?


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BlueTex said:
For the sake of argument, let’s assume you are correct (You aren’t but never the less). Who can overturn an impeachment?


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Who can overturn a Supreme Court decision?
 
Moderate Right said:
Who can overturn a Supreme Court decision?
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There is no overturning an impeachment. Not by the Supreme Court or anyone else..


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BlueTex said:
There is no overturning an impeachment. Not by the Supreme Court or anyone else..


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I never understood your question in the first place. What is your point?
 
Moderate Right said:
Previous efforts for impeachment
Further information: Efforts to impeach Donald Trump
Efforts to impeach President Trump have been made by various people and groups,[28][29] and talk of impeachment began even before Trump took office.[30] Formal efforts were initiated by Representatives Al Green and Brad Sherman, both Democrats (D), in 2017, the first year of his presidency.[31][32][33] A December 2017 resolution of impeachment failed in the then–Republican-led House by a 58–364 vote margin.[34]

Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump - Wikipedia
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According to the United States Constitution, how many impeachment attempts does a President get before they are immune and protected and there can be no further attempts?
 
Moderate Right said:
I never understood your question in the first place. What is your point?
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The point is that the house could decide tomorrow that eating a hot dog with dijon mustard is an impeachable offense and impeach the president and there is NOBODY who can overturn the impeachment. Arguing about what high crimes and misdemeanours isn't an out for Trump...
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, let's see if the Senate agrees with you.
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I am a realist. The Senate will never convict; not because he is not guilty but because it is too partisan. He will be impeached and rightfully so and it will be recorded in history so will be worth it. He needs to be checked.
 
Moderate Right said:
Forgot Democrats changed the law to you can impeach a president if you don't like the election results.
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Dude Im still not a Democrat, never was a Democrat, never will be a Democrat (unlike Trump who was a Democrat for a great deal of time). I am opposed to political parties/factions. Simply stated I am independent, not in a collective like you.

Oh and no one changed any laws; impeachment is in the Constitution. Its just that Trump is that bad of a president. He needs to be impeached for what he has done. And the fact that you are complaisant with Trump speaks volumes of your character. Add to that your assumption that anyone who criticizes the fake Republican president is a democrat.....well lets just say that you are a bit hyper partisan.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, let's see if the Senate agrees with you.
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Well as everyone knows the Senate is almost as corrupt as trump, so if they convict, many will go down with him.

At this point Republicans are not thinking about re-election, they are thinking about avoiding jail time...
 
haymarket said:
According to the United States Constitution, how many impeachment attempts does a President get before they are immune and protected and there can be no further attempts?
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What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are you trying to say that it is ok to have nonstop witch hunts that never end?
 
BlueTex said:
The point is that the house could decide tomorrow that eating a hot dog with dijon mustard is an impeachable offense and impeach the president and there is NOBODY who can overturn the impeachment. Arguing about what high crimes and misdemeanours isn't an out for Trump...
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Still don't know what you are talking about. If the House impeaches Trump for eating a hot dog with mustard then the Senate votes to see if that is enough to remove Trump from office, requiring a 2/3's majority. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the House was a majority of one party and the Senate consisted of 67 of that same party. Wouldn't you call it a partisan sham if both the House and Senate removed a president from office just for eating a hot dog with mustard?
 
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