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Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

Integrityrespec said:
The entire affair is a farce. Democrats have been claiming they would impeach since the day after the election. Some unbiased use of power, huh? Republicans simply don't agree and that's their right. The Republicans will do their constitutional duty if the House votes to impeach. Republicans will run the trial just as openly and honestly and unbiased as the investigations of the democrats over the past 3 years. So you see you democrats have nothing to worry about. I think you will see the most important facts are not in existance.
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Nice rant.
 
Craig234 said:
You're forgetting voters are goldfish. It might last months?
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The Republican party has basically undercut any chances it might have of winning over the future of this country. Young people are turning away from extremist capitalism and Religion in droves. The baby boomers are basically the only base the Right has left. If we can blow them out of office in 2020 it's going to be very hard for them to come back. Keep in mind even after two Obama terms they still couldn't win the Majority of votes in 2016. Those demographic numbers aren't getting better any time soon.
 
Integrityrespec said:
The entire affair is a farce. Democrats have been claiming they would impeach since the day after the election.
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That's because there was already evidence he'd consorted with Russia to win the election that early. President Obama already knew Russia was doing everything they could to get Trump elected he just couldn't do anything about it without it looking like he was doing something shady himself.
 
MrWonka said:
The Republican party has basically undercut any chances it might have of winning over the future of this country. Young people are turning away from extremist capitalism and Religion in droves. The baby boomers are basically the only base the Right has left. If we can blow them out of office in 2020 it's going to be very hard for them to come back. Keep in mind even after two Obama terms they still couldn't win the Majority of votes in 2016. Those demographic numbers aren't getting better any time soon.
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You need to look a little deeper, there are many movements on both sides. Lots of young people are moving toward religion and toward capitalism. The future of the US will be in ruins if we go too far left and we are headed left. 52Billion to pay for healthcare for all is not doable if you want to keep from putting the country in bankruptcy. Young americans are starting to wake up and see that earning you way is the better way.
 
MrWonka said:
That's because there was already evidence he'd consorted with Russia to win the election that early. President Obama already knew Russia was doing everything they could to get Trump elected he just couldn't do anything about it without it looking like he was doing something shady himself.
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The only evidence is that Hillary and Democrats colluded with Ukraine and a former British spy. Get your facts from somebody other than Schiff.
 
MrWonka said:
The Republican party has basically undercut any chances it might have of winning over the future of this country. Young people are turning away from extremist capitalism and Religion in droves. The baby boomers are basically the only base the Right has left. If we can blow them out of office in 2020 it's going to be very hard for them to come back. Keep in mind even after two Obama terms they still couldn't win the Majority of votes in 2016. Those demographic numbers aren't getting better any time soon.
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I hope you're right about the trend against Republicans (and corporatist Democrats).

I was referring to the backlash about trump's impeachment.
 
eman623 said:
fify.

But if we all know how this ends, what reason do people have to stay glued to the TV or even pay attention to the proceedings?
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You also know you're going to die, why live in the meantime?
 
apdst said:
It might play out even worse at the ballot box.
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Maybe, but based on 2018 and last night's results that looks less likely everyday.
 
eman623 said:
No. An impeachment is not a criminal matter. It's a political thing.
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So the founders were wrong and corrupt Presidents who bribe foreign nations for his own benefit should not be removed from office? You seem to forget that is what this is about.
 
mrjurrs said:
Maybe, but based on 2018 and last night's results that looks less likely everyday.
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In 2010 and 2012, the Democrats lost 1,000 seats. Obama still won.
 
apdst said:
They were right on target in 2010, 2012, 2014 and 2016. Weren't they?
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Some were, some weren't. And all of them operated with a margin of error.
 
apdst said:
In 2010 and 2012, the Democrats lost 1,000 seats. Obama still won.
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Thanks for the history, does it mean anything?
 
mrjurrs said:
Thanks for the history, does it mean anything?
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It means that winning a few state seats doesn't guarantee a presidential win. The 2010 and 2012 elections proved that.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't do an impeachment because it helps you politically, you do it to uphold the law.

That is, you should. Republicans DO impeach for politics.
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Yes, McConnell has already declared a victory without a trial, and Graham refuses to read any testimony that has been released. Truly incredible.
 
Craig234 said:
You don't do an impeachment because it helps you politically, you do it to uphold the law.

That is, you should. Republicans DO impeach for politics.
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"We ain't no lynch mob - we're a law-abidin' lynch mob! String the witch up!!!!"

:donkeyfla
 
less right said:
Clever but lacking coherence.

What rule of law determines your vote?
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Your first comment fits your posts.

There aren't different rules of law. There's a rule of law. There are times the law is wrong and there's a case for violating it - ask Rosa Parks - but otherwise, there's just rule of law, not 'what rule of law'. We have it or we don't. Unfortunately, we have it selectively, and Republicans largely don't have it at all for things they don't want to, like trump on countless issues.
 
eman623 said:
Willie Brown was Speaker of the California State Assembly for 15 years. He was a towering figure in state politics and the Democratic party. He is also no fan of Donald Trump.

Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Willie Brown Nov. 2, 2019 Updated: Nov. 2, 2019 1:13 p.m.

If the goal was to damage President Trump by formalizing the impeachment inquiry, it's Mission Unaccomplished for House Democrats.

If anything, the vote solidified Trump's hold on power. There were zero GOP defections, meaning we have zero drama heading into the public phase of impeachment. Everyone is pretty much in the same lanes they've been in since the Russian-collusion investigation, the obstruction of justice investigation and every other investigation.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, that gives people little reason to be glued to their screens when House committees take public testimony. The basic story ” Trump pressured Ukraine to announce investigations into Democrats that would help Trump ” is out there already. People know how they feel about it, and if you believe the polls, they're pretty evenly split on whether the president deserves to be thrown out of office.

The only potential drama before last week's vote was whether there might be any movement, whether any Republicans would see it Democrats' way.

Looks like they don't.

And when it gets to the Senate, it will play out just the same way. Someone like Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah may break GOP ranks, but no one thinks 20 Republicans, the bare minimum who would have to defect to convict Trump, would actually do so.

So the Democrats will spend the next few precious months acting out a pretend cliffhanger to which everyone actually knows the script and the ending. No plot twists in sight. Remember health care, the issue that won so many elections for Democrats in 2018? You might, but they don't seem to.

Come next year, Trump will have an impeachment victory and quite possibly a solid economy. The Democrats will have...” what?

Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com
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So far, it really hasn't effected Democrats with state races

In fact, they're winning
 
apdst said:
It means that winning a few state seats doesn't guarantee a presidential win. The 2010 and 2012 elections proved that.
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No, but it shows there is still support for democrats
 
Craig234 said:
Hopefully, they're doing it because it's right and it's the law, regardless of the politics, something Republicans can't understand. If Democrats do the right thing, and it costs them politically, Republicans won't understand that - they'll say, "ha ha Democrats lost, we won" and think it proved them right.
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