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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    You seem to invent powers for Congress that they do not have. This is a political, not a criminal matter.
    The Founders wrote the Constitution and gave us a way to remove a President who abuses his power. He works for us.
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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Founders wrote the Constitution and gave us a way to remove a President who abuses his power. He works for us.
    Impeachment has never been about abuse of power. If every president who ever abused his office was impeached, it would be a pretty common thing.

    This impeachment is about one party using a political manner to try to hobble the president going into an election year.

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Impeachment has never been about abuse of power. If every president who ever abused his office was impeached, it would be a pretty common thing.

    This impeachment is about one party using a political manner to try to hobble the president going into an election year.
    Impeachment of a President is always because of abuse of power. It was the biggest fear of the Founders along with foreign influence in our govt. Trump has done both and must be impeached. It is in the Constitution.
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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Willie Brown was Speaker of the California State Assembly for 15 years. He was a towering figure in state politics and the Democratic party. He is also no fan of Donald Trump.

    Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

    Willie Brown Nov. 2, 2019 Updated: Nov. 2, 2019 1:13 p.m.

    If the goal was to damage President Trump by formalizing the impeachment inquiry, it's Mission Unaccomplished for House Democrats.

    If anything, the vote solidified Trump's hold on power. There were zero GOP defections, meaning we have zero drama heading into the public phase of impeachment. Everyone is pretty much in the same lanes they've been in since the Russian-collusion investigation, the obstruction of justice investigation and every other investigation.

    Unfortunately for the Democrats, that gives people little reason to be glued to their screens when House committees take public testimony. The basic story ” Trump pressured Ukraine to announce investigations into Democrats that would help Trump ” is out there already. People know how they feel about it, and if you believe the polls, they're pretty evenly split on whether the president deserves to be thrown out of office...
    The majority on both sides have decided and can't be persuaded regards of the proof. I believe the released testimony proves his guilt now, while Repubs won't address the crime, they will accuse Democrats of not accepting the 16' election. But a majority of moderate independents who actually decide our elections, want to hear the damning testimony which could decide millions of votes, whether the Senate convicts or not.

    ...And when it gets to the Senate, it will play out just the same way. Someone like Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah may break GOP ranks, but no one thinks 20 Republicans, the bare minimum who would have to defect to convict Trump, would actually do so.

    So the Democrats will spend the next few precious months acting out a pretend cliffhanger to which everyone actually knows the script and the ending. No plot twists in sight. Remember health care, the issue that won so many elections for Democrats in 2018? You might, but they don't seem to...
    Yes, everyone knows the Senate's vote on conviction won't be a cliffhanger. Cardinal is exactly right, it's old news.

    The impeachment without conviction might or might not be a "winner" for the Democrats in the 20' election. The win we can count on is our country in the coming years and decades. We must record and document for history Don's attempt to bring foreign influence into America's elections (it's in our Constitution) and the Repub party and its members reaction and vote...

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by eman623 View Post
    Impeachment has never been about abuse of power. If every president who ever abused his office was impeached, it would be a pretty common thing.

    This impeachment is about one party using a political manner to try to hobble the president going into an election year.
    This is a great example of the conservative, dog-eat-dog, the ends justifies the means, approach to life. They happily accept Putin's help in 16' and extorting our allies in 20' and they threaten our security in exchange for packing the federal courts. Oh and don't forget the pleasure they get from Don 'tweeking' the Democrats nose, that makes it all worthwhile. They've sold their souls for their end...

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    ...he works for us.
    If "he" is Trump


    Then who the hell is "us" ?

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    If "he" is Trump


    Then who the hell is "us" ?
    The President takes an oath to work for the American people above all else. When his power is used otherwise it is abuse of that power.
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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by less right View Post
    I'm okay with drawing my own conclusion about this impeachment regardless of what Senators decide.
    Like I said, if you support trump's criminality then you are against the rule of law.

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    Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Craig234 View Post
    Like I said, if you support trump's criminality then you are against the rule of law.
    If I said anything supporting Trump's criminality that's news to me.

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