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Should hereditarians and race realists be allowed to express their opinions?

Dittohead not! said:
Exactly. One thing humans are good at is mixing genes with other humans.
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Funny biology major joke from college:

How do you keep two chromosomes apart?

You keep their genes on.... (booboom boom tshhh!):lol:
 
vegas giants said:
This would mean preference in society would be given to ashkenazi jews and asians first.

You may not get what you think you want
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IQ distribution by race/ethnicity:

• Ashkenazi Jews = 115
• East Asians = 106
• Whites = 100
• South East Asians = 87
• Non-White Hispanics = 86
• American Blacks = 85 (average 25% White admixture)
• Middle East and North Africans = 84
• Sub-Saharan Blacks = 67 (Only 2% of Whites score this low)
• Australian Aborigines = 62
 
ataraxia said:
With advancing science it does. Obsolete nineteenth century racial theories are not truth. What's next, the merits of alchemy?
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After the revelations of the Holocaust fewer people wanted to believe that racial differences mattered, or even existed. Nevertheless, there has never been scientific evidence of innate racial equality. As more is learned about the human genome it is becoming increasingly apparent that intelligence is primarily determined by genetics, and criminal behavior is strongly influenced by genetics. Moreover, the alleles for high intelligence and high crime are disproportionately found in the various races. Unfortunately, race has become an issue where the more willing one is to ignore science, the more enlightened one is said to be.

It is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence led to the dogma that there are no inferior races, but I doubt many people really believe that there are no inferior races. They just feel virtuous saying that publicly. What is worse is that they punish others for expressing truths nearly everyone is privately aware of.
 
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Good4Nothin said:
Proof that malignant racism has not yet died out. HOW do you explain the advanced Muslim and African civilizations that existed when people in what is now Europe were raiding nomads?
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In 1950 Ted Williams was on the way to his greatest power season at the all-star game exactly halfway through the season he had
25 HR's & 87 RBI's when he broke his shoulder. The last half of the season playing hardly at all he hit 3 HR's to finish at 28 & only 10 more RBI's
yet with their greatest player sidelined the Red Sox were 42-35 in the 1st half with Williams & 49-28 in the 2nd half without him. In
other words some things just can't be explained.

This can be! Ami Chua's law on a global scale. The market dominated minority for 500 years has been the Europeans now 1/6th
of the population, fated to be 1/10th by 2060. The world'd majority will be African, Arab, Latin & Asian. Yet these billions of people
have only a fraction of the world's wealth. It is not inevitable that there will arise a world wide clamor that the few who have so
much must transfer more of what they have to those who have so little.

But why would Western nations empower through transnational institutions the world's majority who believe
they are poor because the west is rich. Their has to be an inextricable nexus between the superior outcomes
of European stock & the higher intelligence of that stock in comparison.
 
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SmartCat said:
After the revelations of the Holocaust fewer people wanted to believe that racial differences mattered, or even existed. Nevertheless, there has never been scientific evidence of innate racial equality. As more is learned about the human genome it is becoming increasingly apparent that intelligence is primarily determined by genetics, and criminal behavior is strongly influenced by genetics. Moreover, the alleles for high intelligence and high crime are disproportionately found in the various races. Unfortunately, race has become an issue where the more willing one is to ignore science, the more enlightened one is said to be.

It is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence led to the dogma that there are no inferior races, but I doubt many people really believe that there are no inferior races. They just feel virtuous saying that publicly. What is worse is that they punish others for expressing truths nearly everyone is privately aware of.
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So even after your ignorance has been exposed you continue to spout the same racist nonsense. And then you imagine some grand conspiracy where everyone denies you acknowledgment and worse victimizes you for knowing the truth.

:lamo
 
SmartCat said:
After the revelations of the Holocaust fewer people wanted to believe that racial differences mattered, or even existed. Nevertheless, there has never been scientific evidence of innate racial equality. As more is learned about the human genome it is becoming increasingly apparent that intelligence is primarily determined by genetics, and criminal behavior is strongly influenced by genetics. Moreover, the alleles for high intelligence and high crime are disproportionately found in the various races. Unfortunately, race has become an issue where the more willing one is to ignore science, the more enlightened one is said to be.

It is ironic that the Nazi effort to exterminate the most superior race in existence led to the dogma that there are no inferior races, but I doubt many people really believe that there are no inferior races. They just feel virtuous saying that publicly. What is worse is that they punish others for expressing truths nearly everyone is privately aware of.
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This is not a matter of belief. It's just not science, that's all. You are just saying stuff based on your "feelings".

For example, you say with confidence that Jews are "the most superior race in existence". Do you have any links to any scientific studies suggesting this?
 
slick said:
IQ distribution by race/ethnicity:

• Ashkenazi Jews = 115
• East Asians = 106
• Whites = 100
• South East Asians = 87
• Non-White Hispanics = 86
• American Blacks = 85 (average 25% White admixture)
• Middle East and North Africans = 84
• Sub-Saharan Blacks = 67 (Only 2% of Whites score this low)
• Australian Aborigines = 62
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They would have to control for education level and quality.
 
SmartCat said:
As more is learned about the human genome it is becoming increasingly apparent that intelligence is primarily determined by genetics, and criminal behavior is strongly influenced by genetics.
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No, intelligence is NOT primarily determined by genetics. Maybe 50% seems to be, but they are only beginning to study epigenetics and inheritance of acquired traits.

Jews were always educated, because they were expected to read the bible. At least the males. Christians only read the bible since the Reformation.

Also, Jews were often prevented from owning land, so they became merchants or bankers, etc. Things that required literacy and math.

Farming certainly requires knowledge and intelligence, but not literacy or math.
 
slick said:
But why would Western nations empower through transnational institutions the world's majority who believe
they are poor because the west is rich. Their has to be an inextricable nexus between the superior outcomes
of European stock & the higher intelligence of that stock in comparison.
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We have no scientific reasons to believe that higher IQs cause greater wealth. More likely greater wealth causes more and better education, which causes higher IQs.

And by the way, IQ is not related to social intelligence and intuition, which may have a greater role in business and career success. Or creativity.
 
ataraxia said:
This is not a matter of belief. It's just not science, that's all. You are just saying stuff based on your "feelings".

For example, you say with confidence that Jews are "the most superior race in existence". Do you have any links to any scientific studies suggesting this?
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He's saying it merely because we (supposedly) have a higher average IQ. He has complete faith in one stupid number to evaluate a person's worth.

How high are the IQs of the people who make the IQ tests? They are not gods who are capable of judging our worth.

And I have a high IQ, by the way, mostly because I always read a lot.
 
Good4Nothin said:
No, intelligence is NOT primarily determined by genetics. Maybe 50% seems to be, but they are only beginning to study epigenetics and inheritance of acquired traits.

Jews were always educated, because they were expected to read the bible. At least the males. Christians only read the bible since the Reformation.

Also, Jews were often prevented from owning land, so they became merchants or bankers, etc. Things that required literacy and math.

Farming certainly requires knowledge and intelligence, but not literacy or math.
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For about one thousand years Jews were not allowed to practice most trades of to own land. They were allowed to be money lenders. Christians were not. Money lending required the ability to learn complex skills. Jews who could not learn the skills did not have children, or they left the faith. The most intelligent Jews had the most children.
 
Good4Nothin said:
We have no scientific reasons to believe that higher IQs cause greater wealth. More likely greater wealth causes more and better education, which causes higher IQs.

And by the way, IQ is not related to social intelligence and intuition, which may have a greater role in business and career success. Or creativity.
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In The Bell Curve Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray demonstrate that a child's IQ tested at the age of seven years of age is a better predictor of adult earning than the incomes of the parents. Intelligence has more of an influence on income than does income on intelligence.
 
You are allowed to be both a racist and an idiot
 
Master Debator said:
So even after your ignorance has been exposed you continue to spout the same racist nonsense. And then you imagine some grand conspiracy where everyone denies you acknowledgment and worse victimizes you for knowing the truth.

:lamo
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21st-century bigots are desperate to appear to rational people by leaving their past of being flag-waving, chanting Neo-nazis and instead appear more intelligent by wrapping their bigotry in pseudo-intellectualism such as race realists and hereditarians, just as religious conservatives and evangelicals are desperate to wrap their mythology in the idiocy of creationism and intelligent design. They have learned the lesson of how-to market their racism but under the flashy exterior, it is still the same detestable ignorance and it deserves the very same response that it received in the 1940s and 50s.
 
SmartCat said:
I did provide two links in comment #7. I could provide many more.

Keep in mind that looking for genetic reasons for individual and racial differences in intelligence and criminal behavior can be dangerous to an academic career. The Chinese lack Western squeamishness about these matters. If political correctness continues to impede scientific research in the West, it will continue in China.
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Recommend that you do some research on the pioneering work done in this area in Germany about 80 years ago. Some of the key scientists moved to Argentina or Brazil after WWII, but copies of their scholarship might still be available.
 
Let’s assume that race realists are correct. Finish the following sentence: “Therefore, we should...”
 
Quag said:
You are allowed to be both a racist and an idiot
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Yikes! Would that be what's known as a low blow?

Nicholson’s phrase of a hundred years ago is appropriate here as the lefties chirp in unison mimicking a ‘riot in the parrot house’
 
Lisa said:
21st-century bigots are desperate to appear to rational people by leaving their past of being flag-waving, chanting Neo-nazis and instead appear more intelligent by wrapping their bigotry in pseudo-intellectualism such as race realists and hereditarians, just as religious conservatives and evangelicals are desperate to wrap their mythology in the idiocy of creationism and intelligent design.
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Just to be clear, you believe intelligence is entirely due to environmental factors?
 
aociswundumho said:
Just to be clear, you believe intelligence is entirely due to environmental factors?
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Among groups, yes. Clearly. Unequivocally. Scientific factually.

Do you think a race, ethnic or other group is stupid?
 
aociswundumho said:
Just to be clear, you believe intelligence is entirely due to environmental factors?
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Intelligence is not due to race.

Intelligence is far more to do with nuture than nature.
 
Lisa said:
Intelligence is far more to do with nuture than nature.
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That's definitely false. As you know, this is a highly controversial topic, but even wikipedia will tell you it's false:

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Twin studies of adult individuals have found a heritability of IQ between 57% and 73%[6] with the most recent studies showing heritability for IQ as high as 80%[7] and 86%.[8]. IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults. The heritability of IQ increases with age and reaches an asymptote at 18–20 years of age and continues at that level well into adulthood. This phenomenon is known as the Wilson Effect
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Twin studies are how we know, since identical twins have the same dna.
 
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