Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it

[Trump]

Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle

If the goal was to damage President Trump by formalizing the impeachment inquiry, it's Mission Unaccomplished for House Democrats.

If anything, the vote solidified Trump's hold on power. There were zero GOP defections, meaning we have zero drama heading into the public phase of impeachment. Everyone is pretty much in the same lanes they've been in since the Russian-collusion investigation, the obstruction of justice investigation and every other investigation.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, that gives people little reason to be glued to their screens when House committees take public testimony. The basic story -Trump pressured Ukraine to announce investigations into Democrats that would help Trump -is out there already. People know how they feel about it, and if you believe the polls, they're pretty evenly split on whether the president deserves to be thrown out of office.

Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair




Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

 

[Condor060]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle

Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair

Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

I mean if you wanted any credibility at all why would you even consider Adam Schiff? The guy who said he had conclusive evidence of Trump being a planted Russian Agent. Now he's running the investigation?

What a scam. I can't wait for a public hearing.

 

[Excast]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

I feel like every story I have heard about Trump's behavior since the time he announced his candidacy is basically conservative America shouting from the rooftops how little they care about anything.

About the mocking of the disabled.
About a draft dodger questioning the heroism of POWs.
About 13.5 lies per day.
About the separation of children from their parents without any attempt made to collect the information needed to one day reunify.
About peddling racism.
About destroying the lives of career public officials who dare to tell the truth.

We get it. Half of America could watch Donald Trump pull out a gun and murder someone on live TV in front of the White House and not care. Great. It says a great deal about them and their values. I'm tired of hearing about how little truth, reality, and basic human decency matter to Republicans. Just as I will be beyond tired when they bring out the old social con playbook the moment Trump is no longer in officer. They are bad people who can be counted to act in bad faith no matter the issue. The only saving grace is that they are older and have slightly less of a stranglehold on the country with each passing day.

 

[Outlook]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

I feel like every story I have heard about Trump's behavior since the time he announced his candidacy is basically conservative America shouting from the rooftops how little they care about anything.

About the mocking of the disabled.
About a draft dodger questioning the heroism of POWs.
About 13.5 lies per day.
About the separation of children from their parents without any attempt made to collect the information needed to one day reunify.
About peddling racism.
About destroying the lives of career public officials who dare to tell the truth.

We get it. Half of America could watch Donald Trump pull out a gun and murder someone on live TV in front of the White House and not care. Great. It says a great deal about them and their values. I'm tired of hearing about how little truth, reality, and basic human decency matter to Republicans. Just as I will be beyond tired when they bring out the old social con playbook the moment Trump is no longer in officer. They are bad people who can be counted to act in bad faith no matter the issue. The only saving grace is that they are older and have slightly less of a stranglehold on the country with each passing day.

For every negative against Trump and the republicans I can give a negative example of the actions of the left. Give it a rest and go out and vote next year.

 

[Excast]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

For every negative against Trump and the republicans I can give a negative example of the actions of the left. Give it a rest and go out and vote next year.

There is nothing more intellectually lazy and self righteous than a "both sides" independent trying to talk themselves into why Democrats are jUsT aS bAd as Donald Trump.

 

[Trump]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

I feel like every story I have heard about Trump's behavior since the time he announced his candidacy is basically conservative America shouting from the rooftops how little they care about anything.

About the mocking of the disabled.
About a draft dodger questioning the heroism of POWs.
About 13.5 lies per day.
About the separation of children from their parents without any attempt made to collect the information needed to one day reunify.
About peddling racism.
About destroying the lives of career public officials who dare to tell the truth.

We get it. Half of America could watch Donald Trump pull out a gun and murder someone on live TV in front of the White House and not care. Great. It says a great deal about them and their values. I'm tired of hearing about how little truth, reality, and basic human decency matter to Republicans. Just as I will be beyond tired when they bring out the old social con playbook the moment Trump is no longer in officer. They are bad people who can be counted to act in bad faith no matter the issue. The only saving grace is that they are older and have slightly less of a stranglehold on the country with each passing day.

Focus on OP......Willie Brown

Random Rants are boring

 

[vesper]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle

Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair




Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

Evening Trump. I personally believe this Impeachment fiasco is going to blow up in the face of the Democrats. Trump was seeking information of corruption in the Ukraine government that occurred leading up to our 2016 election where evidence we already possess they were in bed with people from the DNC, and members of the Obama administration and Democratic special interests groups to undermine the Trump campaign and help Hillary Clinton. The Ukraine government courts have already declared that the government under the leadership of Poroshenko did indeed interfere with our 2016 elections to benefit Hillary Clinton. Biden unfortunately for him happens to be part of the whole charade.

I noticed after the whistleblower was outed in Conservative media, his ties are to Ukraine, Biden, Brennan, Susan Rice, and the same person at the DNC that was working with members of Ukraine government under Poroshenko, Alexandra Chalupa.

Vindman, who listened in on the phone call, said he believed it was improper for Trump to ask Zelensky to investigate whether Ukrainian officials interfered in the 2016 election and also to investigate whether former Vice President Joe Biden pressured Ukrainian officials to shut down an investigation of Burisma Holdings. It was also leaked he feared that Trump would withhold military aid to Ukraine. Well that struck me as being odd so I did a little digging. Vindman was a big enchilada in the Obama administration in regard to Ukraine and in those 8 years no military aid was given to Ukraine. The aid the Obama administration sent amounted to blankets and pillows. Trump actually did provide Ukraine with for real military equipment.

Both the whistleblower and Vindman are Obama holdovers. I believe both are well aware of the corruption that occurred in Ukraine via our own government and they were involved in it. I also believe they saw where Trump was poking around and that now that Barr has turned over the investigation to John Durham now calling it a criminal investigation is also investigating what happened in Ukraine at that time. A couple of months ago there were reports that a couple of Ukrainians were wanting to get to the U.S. with information of Americans that they believed broke U.S. law in their involvement in Ukraine in regard to corruption. Our ambassador to Ukraine at the time, Marie Yovanovitch, another Obama holdover who gave testimony to Shifty's kangaroo court, the Ukrainians with the information claim she denied them visas to come to the states. Trump this year I believe in May relieved Yovanovitch of her duties. Shortly after that the Ukrainians did receive visas, came to the states and who took their deposition? John Durham.

At this point, personally, whatever the left accuses Trump of doing, they in fact are guilty of it. This week I think we can expect Horowitz's report released. I believe in that report we will learn why Durham changed his investigation into a criminal one.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle





Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair




Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

It's interesting to watch you guys claim the president should be able to break our laws with impunity and that congress has no right to oversight, all of which you'll drop immediately when the next Dem president is elected.

Why do you guys hate our Constitution and our laws so much?

 

[marke]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle

Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair
Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

Isn't Willie Brown the democrat donkey Kamala rode to the top of the democrat compost pile?

 

[snakestretcher]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

It's interesting to watch you guys claim the president should be able to break our laws with impunity and that congress has no right to oversight, all of which you'll drop immediately when the next Dem president is elected.

Why do you guys hate our Constitution and our laws so much?

Why? Simple; if it's ok for Trump to lead the US over a constitutional and legal cliff, it's just fine by his lemmings.

 

[haymarket]

If impeachment is so good for Trump - just imagine what conviction would do for him. He could return to civilian life in early 2020 and then run again and all would be happy in Trumpland.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Isn't Willie Brown the democrat donkey Kamala rode to the top of the democrat compost pile?

Yup.

But even a broken donkey may be right twice a day.

Or something.

 

[jnug]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Biggest political failing of the Dem party is that they are inundated with nervous ninnies. "Oh dear, Oh my, this might not be such a good idea. I'm so nervous."

Repugs have never been nervous about anything from the beginning of the 20th Century on. That is what comes from perennially being a minority party for most of its time. Its full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes because.........what have you got to lose.

That said, in their defense it is also a consequence of more critical thought occurring in the Dem party than in the GOP. If you truly weigh alternatives, you rarely end up with clear cut black and white outcomes and those remain in your mind regardless of the actual decision reached.

 

[Perotista]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Dem Willie Brown penned OP in San Francisco Chronicle





Willie Brown is trying to educate his fellow Dems....impeachment narrative is weak and failing....those in DC are blinded by TDS

I remember when Willie was Mayor of San Francisco...I always liked him...tough but fair




Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don’t bet on it - SFChronicle.com

I don't know if it is or isn't. I do know impeachment has harden Trump supporters and Republicans to Trump's side. They view all of this as a Democratic political partisan vendetta for losing an election. Democrats are just as adamant to impeach and remove Trump to what they see as an abuse of power and criminal activity.

I do think a growing number of folks who aren't in either the pro or anti Trump camps are growing tired of all of this. Call it impeachment fatigue. They're beginning to not pay attention to it anymore. More or less what happens, happens. What don't, don't. It's those who identify with the major parties that are up in arms about this. Independents which make up approximately 40% of the electorate are divided. 39% for, 38% against, 23% in the Don't know, undecided or simply don't care column. Question 33.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/zgaz948hzw/econTabReport.pdf

 

[jnug]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

I don't know if it is or isn't. I do know impeachment has harden Trump supporters and Republicans to Trump's side. They view all of this as a Democratic political partisan vendetta for losing an election. Democrats are just as adamant to impeach and remove Trump to what they see as an abuse of power and criminal activity.

I do think a growing number of folks who aren't in either the pro or anti Trump camps are growing tired of all of this. Call it impeachment fatigue. They're beginning to not pay attention to it anymore. More or less what happens, happens. What don't, don't. It's those who identify with the major parties that are up in arms about this. Independents which make up approximately 40% of the electorate are divided. 39% for, 38% against, 23% in the Don't know, undecided or simply don't care column. Question 33.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/zgaz948hzw/econTabReport.pdf

That is probably a wash at best. You could just as easily call it Trump Fatigue and would likely be closer to the truth.

 

[Hypothetical]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Why? Simple; if it's ok for Trump to lead the US over a constitutional and legal cliff, it's just fine by his lemmings.

by doing what exactly?

 

[snakestretcher]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

by doing what exactly?

You know the old adage, 'no smoke without fire'? The crook was forced to shut down his 'charity' because he was stealing from it (to buy a portrait of himself), and had to pay-off $25 million in settlements to victims of his fraudulent 'university' scam. That's just two examples from the foul criminal you elected.

 

[Hypothetical]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

You know the old adage, 'no smoke without fire'?

oh, ok.. so basically unfounded opinions. great.

MEANWHILE, the left is trying to ACTUALLY circumvent constitutional amendments, such as the 2nd, and in cases the 1st, trying to allow anyone into the country causing problems for our national security at the very least and does not WANT a solution to help illegal immigration so they just blah blah blah on about work camps BS, among many other things..yeah I'll be staying with Trump for now.

 

[snakestretcher]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

oh, ok.. so basically unfounded opinions. great.

MEANWHILE, the left is trying to ACTUALLY circumvent constitutional amendments, such as the 2nd, and in cases the 1st, trying to allow anyone into the country causing problems for our national security at the very least and does not WANT a solution to help illegal immigration so they just blah blah blah on about work camps BS, among many other things..yeah I'll be staying with Trump for now.

Nope, Trump's law-breaking is on the record. Argue with the courts.

 

[Perotista]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

That is probably a wash at best. You could just as easily call it Trump Fatigue and would likely be closer to the truth.

I agree. Trump fatigue, impeachment fatigue, it really doesn't matter. A lot of people are simply not paying any more attention to it, ignoring it all.

 

[Mashmont]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

I feel like every story I have heard about Trump's behavior since the time he announced his candidacy is basically conservative America shouting from the rooftops how little they care about anything.

About the mocking of the disabled.
About a draft dodger questioning the heroism of POWs.
About 13.5 lies per day.
About the separation of children from their parents without any attempt made to collect the information needed to one day reunify.
About peddling racism.
About destroying the lives of career public officials who dare to tell the truth.

We get it. Half of America could watch Donald Trump pull out a gun and murder someone on live TV in front of the White House and not care. Great. It says a great deal about them and their values. I'm tired of hearing about how little truth, reality, and basic human decency matter to Republicans. Just as I will be beyond tired when they bring out the old social con playbook the moment Trump is no longer in officer. They are bad people who can be counted to act in bad faith no matter the issue. The only saving grace is that they are older and have slightly less of a stranglehold on the country with each passing day.

Actually, it's leftwingers who don't care about any disadvantaged group. It's all politics with. We know leftwingers have disdain for children, old people, and the mentally retarded.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

Actually, it's leftwingers who don't care about any disadvantaged group. It's all politics with. We know leftwingers have disdain for children, old people, and the mentally retarded.

LOL! Tell me, what does the bible say about lies?

 

[Outlook]

Re: Impeachment a winner for Democrats? Don't bet on it

There is nothing more intellectually lazy and self righteous than a "both sides" independent trying to talk themselves into why Democrats are jUsT aS bAd as Donald Trump.

There is nothing more boring then another thread or post saying how much they hate Trump. Get over it and vote next year. Maybe a democrat will win and the right can post how bad the democrat president is for the next four years.