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So where do you get your political advise

Logical1

Logical1

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These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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And your advice comes from where? (Out of curiosity and since you are calling out others.)
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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Agreed.

I get mine from people who post here and elsewhere with a lean of "very conservative." I read their posts, then do the exact opposite of what they would want done.

And I read the ones who say "very liberal," and do the same.

I have a similar device on my car: When I start to wander near the left or the right of the lane, it steers me back to the center, where I'm less likely to get creamed by a truck or someone driving under the influence of testosterone or some other dangerous substance.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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It's advice not advise.


My advice to Trump is to resign now.
I would advise him to resign if asked.

Do you see the difference now ?


You're not educated enough to debate with adults.
 
CBC BBC online only - I don’t watch TV news anymore.
 
OrphanSlug said:
And your advice comes from where? (Out of curiosity and since you are calling out others.)
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News papers, television news, and other news figures. BTW I watch both the right wing and left wing news to form my position.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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Advice? Or, information? There's quite the difference.

In terms of "advice", the best thing you can do is give your kids a really good education. Then, they can form their own opinions.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's advice not advise.


My advice to Trump is to resign now.
I would advise him to resign if asked.

Do you see the difference now ?


You're not educated enough to debate with adults.
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Harsh! But your statement does dovetail into my response to him:

Chomsky said:
Advice? Or, information? There's quite the difference.

In terms of "advice", the best thing you can do is give your kids a really good education. Then, they can form their own opinions.
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Chomsky said:
Harsh! But your statement does dovetail into my response to him:
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A typo you can forgive.


In the army we drew a distinction between intelligence and information.


You can get good information from a number of sources....but intelligence or good advice ?
 
Here's what's different between what happened during the Nixon impeachment and Trump's impeachment investigation. During the Watergate investigation and impeachment hearings of Richard Nixon, there were just three sources for anyone to get their news on television, CBS, NBC and ABC. Other than those networks and print journalism, there were no other sources for information about what was going on.

Today, the majority of people are receiving their information from multiple television news channels and cable networks like CNN, MSNBC and FOX. But even more people are receiving information, both legitimate and illegitimate, from sources such as Brietbart News, Infowars, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter and conservative podcasts. These other sources aren't held to the same standards as those public sources giving the news during the Nixon impeachment hearings, not even close. They're sources that depend on subscriber advertising and can easily be manipulated and skewed in favor--or against one person or party. There's absolutely nothing 'fair and balanced' about any of them. Even worse, as we found out in 2015, there's plenty of foreign agents pushing their own agenda and it's not in the best interest of the United States.

This is precisely why watching more than one network is essential to really get a more balanced opinion of what's happening.
 
Rich2018 said:
A typo you can forgive.


In the army we drew a distinction between intelligence and information.


You can get good information from a number of sources....but intelligence or good advice ?
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I see what you're getting at, and agree.

To be honest, his choice of the wrong word does seem pretty common today though. I see it often. And yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine for some reason. It does seem the advice/advise confusion was less apparent in years gone by. But not today, for some reason.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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The only source worse than a current basketball player is a former reality TV star whose greatest claim to fame is a history of "hyperbole" (lying) and misrepresentation of facts.

Never trust anyone who won't apologize.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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I don't know if advice is the right word or not. I make my stances, being for or against or indifferent to issues, policy, legislation, politics in general based on my experience while I watch, listen and read. I'm also not averse to changing my stance or opinion if I learn something new about something I didn't know before.

Because I don't listen to political parties or let them tell me how to view my politics, to be for or against something or certain candidates, issues policy, legislation, there are times it take me a very long time to make up my mind concerning that issue or happening, event, legislation etc.
 
HumblePi said:
Here's what's different between what happened during the Nixon impeachment and Trump's impeachment investigation. During the Watergate investigation and impeachment hearings of Richard Nixon, there were just three sources for anyone to get their news on television, CBS, NBC and ABC. Other than those networks and print journalism, there were no other sources for information about what was going on.

Today, the majority of people are receiving their information from multiple television news channels and cable networks like CNN, MSNBC and FOX. But even more people are receiving information, both legitimate and illegitimate, from sources such as Brietbart News, Infowars, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter and conservative podcasts. These other sources aren't held to the same standards as those public sources giving the news during the Nixon impeachment hearings, not even close. They're sources that depend on subscriber advertising and can easily be manipulated and skewed in favor--or against one person or party. There's absolutely nothing 'fair and balanced' about any of them. Even worse, as we found out in 2015, there's plenty of foreign agents pushing their own agenda and it's not in the best interest of the United States.

This is precisely why watching more than one network is essential to really get a more balanced opinion of what's happening.
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Yes, but there's two things at play here.

1] It's not enough to simply use multiple sources, but to use quality sources from across the political spectrum.

2] However it cannot necessarily be assumed a source from across the spectrum will add substantively. For example, Fox viewers were found to not simply be less informed than more legit sources, but were actually misinformed. IOW, their viewers were more poorly informed than those that do not watch cable at all. So we cannot assume we can blindly go to an opposing lean's media platforms, to become further informed in additionally to our like-minded sources. We may become misinformed!

This same fallacy as in #2 above, is sometimes propagated as there being "alternative facts" on the other side of one's political spectrum. That's not necessarily true, as their is only one set of facts in any given event, and all else is simply perception opinion, or worse.
 
less right said:
The only source worse than a current basketball player is a former reality TV star whose greatest claim to fame is a history of "hyperbole" (lying) and misrepresentation of facts.

Never trust anyone who won't apologize.
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Well said.
 
Chomsky said:
I see what you're getting at, and agree.

To be honest, his choice of the wrong word does seem pretty common today though. I see it often. And yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine for some reason. It does seem the advice/advise confusion was less apparent in years gone by. But not today, for some reason.
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I had a manager once who couldn't understand the difference between "insure" and "ensure"

She wrote as she spoke. Hence "accept" and "except" being used interchangeably.
 
HumblePi said:
Here's what's different between what happened during the Nixon impeachment and Trump's impeachment investigation. During the Watergate investigation and impeachment hearings of Richard Nixon, there were just three sources for anyone to get their news on television, CBS, NBC and ABC. Other than those networks and print journalism, there were no other sources for information about what was going on.

Today, the majority of people are receiving their information from multiple television news channels and cable networks like CNN, MSNBC and FOX. But even more people are receiving information, both legitimate and illegitimate, from sources such as Brietbart News, Infowars, Facebook, Instagram and Twitter and conservative podcasts. These other sources aren't held to the same standards as those public sources giving the news during the Nixon impeachment hearings, not even close. They're sources that depend on subscriber advertising and can easily be manipulated and skewed in favor--or against one person or party. There's absolutely nothing 'fair and balanced' about any of them. Even worse, as we found out in 2015, there's plenty of foreign agents pushing their own agenda and it's not in the best interest of the United States.

This is precisely why watching more than one network is essential to really get a more balanced opinion of what's happening.
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Before the internet age, and cable, the big three were the only game in town. They had a subtle slant to the left. Bernard Goldberg's book "Bias" gave an insiders view to the liberal bias in network news. Before that though, that bias brought about conservative talk radio. Then cable news was born, and Rupert Murdoch saw a market that wasn't being catered to, much like talk radio saw years before. The thing is, ratings drive cable news, so naturally they continue to cater to the political market that gets them paid. All that said, I listen to 2 conservative AM stations, a black owned (Radio 1) station, I flip back and forth between Fox and MSNBC, then I use google and bing to research the issues that are being debated on TV and Radio. But of course, I'm retired. When I was working 2 jobs, and running kids around to sports activities, I was at the mercy of what I heard on my car radio.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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Maybe it's smarter to get a person's political advice from an aged conman and liar or two media hucksters in the tank for the Republican party because they enjoy the millions they make from their gigs.
 
Rich2018 said:
I had a manager once who couldn't understand the difference between "insure" and "ensure"

She wrote as she spoke. Hence "accept" and "except" being used interchangeably.
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I'm thinking it's more than than simply "writing as one speaks", because to me it indicates the individual never learned the words' proper use in their early education. Which might be more an indicator of her education infrastructure, than anything else. But there are people that hate reading and writing, and avoid it. Consequently, their abilities never progress beyond their basic education. And if the basic education was deficient, that's where they stay.
 
Logical1 said:
These days we are told so many young people get their political advise from celebrities and sports figures. That is totally insane. If you are getting your political advise from them, you must have exhausted all reasonable sources.

For instance what does some famous basketball sports figure know about politics. He throws a ball thru a hoop. A trained seal can do that.
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And yet you neither know about politics nor can you throw a ball through a hoop, let alone spell "through."


It would seem that you have nonetheless accidentally managed to say one correct thing in your 2,014 posts: American celebrity worship is dangerously stupid, just like a good majority of Americans or humans in general. There's no reason to listen to a celebrity speak about anything other than what they do, and even then I don't see much point.
 
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