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Why Trump Must Be Impeached Now, We Cannot Wait For The 2020 Election To Remove Him From Office

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Thanks for proving trump would reap a political benefit from this debacle.

Sort of...undermines your position, but I'm glad when Republicans go down in flames.
 
The idea of a simple majority vote in the House being able to tie up the POTUS and many around him for weeks, if not months, only to have the Senate vote "never mind". That tie up (bog down?) in DC also includes not getting much of anything else done in either the House or Senate. That was the case for the Bill Clinton impeachment and likely to be the case if (when?) Trump is impeached which can definitely tick off the voters. This time may be worse since it is less than a year from the 2020 election.

I'll add one other point:

Contrary to popular belief, Clinton's impeachment did not hurt Republicans. In fact, I would argue the opposite was true. Republicans maintained control of the House and Senate in both 1998 and 2000. And Bush narrowly defeated Gore in the 2000 election.

In fact, I think Gore would have won the 2000 election by a substantial margin if it wasn't for Clinton's stupidity and impeachment.
 
The Senate can vote to nuke the entire process if they want. No hearings, no vote, no nothing. Might be time to tell the botox bitch that she can stick that impeachment nonsense where the light don't shine

They could try that, but why not just have the impeachment "trial" (tying up all of those US Senate DNC 2020 POTUS hopefuls for weeks or months) and then let Trump declare "complete exoneration from all of the witch hunts" after he is found "not guilty"?
 
The Senate can vote to nuke the entire process if they want. No hearings, no vote, no nothing. Might be time to tell the botox bitch that she can stick that impeachment nonsense where the light don't shine

You do that and you will lose so much power for so long it will be hilarious.

Go for it.
 
I'll add one other point:

Contrary to popular belief, Clinton's impeachment did not hurt Republicans. In fact, I would argue the opposite was true. Republicans maintained control of the House and Senate in both 1998 and 2000. And Bush narrowly defeated Gore in the 2000 election.

In fact, I think Gore would have won the 2000 election by a substantial margin if it wasn't for Clinton's stupidity and impeachment.

Yes, this.

The american public are sick of unprincipled politicians s whi do nothing.
 
Never say never.

They said the same thing about Nixon and his crimes were not a drop in the bucket compared to trumps.

If the whole Senate chooses to hitch themselves to this criminal I will be shocked...

It doesn't have to be the whole Senate. It's all about political expediency. Republicans in blue or purple states will be "allowed" to vote to impeach if they deem it beneficial (as it will please the majority of their constituents) , the the rest of them in red states, would never dare to vote yes to impeachment, as it would spell doom for their re-election chances.
 
The article was written by Sean Wilentz, an acclaimed history professor at Princeton University.

Open mouth and insert foot. You are dismissed.

If that was written by a member of the faculty at Princeton, then not only has Rolling Stone standards collapsed, so has Princeton's. Vacuous and moralistic tripe of this quality is better found on the Antifa street than among the serious. So now two institutions should be embarrassed.

Try again.
 
There are three major differences between Trump's impeachment and Clinton's impeachment:

1) Clinton admitted that what he did was wrong, earning sympathy from many voters. Trump will never do this. It would be smart of Trump to admit that he ****ed-up, but his narcissism makes this impossible.

2) What Clinton did had nothing to do with national security.

3) The number of people supporting Clinton's impeachment and removal was NOWHERE near as high as it is for Trump.

Therefore, I think any attempted comparisons with Clinton's impeachment are not going to work out well for Trump acolytes.

The funny thing is this: You are not even a Republican, yet you made a more coherent argument than any of them could.

#2 is quite a stretch since denying (not simply delaying) "lethal" military aid to Ukraine was the Obama policy. Why was that not an even greater "national security threat"?
 
You know, Hillary was never my favorite candidate, but I never bought into this argument, either.

Hillary defeated Trump by 3 million votes. Period. We can't help it if the electoral college is horse****.

And the simple fact is that none of the accusations against Hillary over the past 30 years ever had any merit. That is just a fact. The right wing spin machine did its job destroying her reputation. She made a serious mistake with the email server, but it was not malicious in nature. That definitely can't be said about Trump.

The thing is one can't defend things Hillary had direct control over. Did you know from 1 Sep 2016 through 8 Nov 2016 Hillary had 71 campaign visits/stops/appearances to Trump's 116. That is basically ceding the campaign trail to Trump. Her 71 visits looks higher than it actually was as it included fund raisers in deep blue California and New York. In the deciding states, Wisconsin, 5 visits for Trump, zero, none for Hillary. Michigan, six for Trump, one for Hillary. Pennsylvania was closer, 8 for Trump vs. 5 for Hillary. Even in electoral vote rich Florida, Hillary basically ceded that state to Trump with 8 visits for her, 13 for Trump. Trump outworked and out campaigned her by a fairly large margin.

You also had Hillary's inept campaign strategy, if you call gaining more electoral votes than Obama did a strategy. She spent way too much time, energy and money trying to win Arizona, Georgia and Utah instead of paying attention to her own backyard, the so called blue wall states. Trump's campaign and his supporters, although smaller was filled with energy, enthusiasm, to where they were willing to go to the four corners of the earth for him. Hillary's was more ho hum and lacked for the most part enthusiasm. The Democrats had a 6 point advantage in party affiliation/identification in November of 2016, but only a 3 point advantage among those who actually voted. Hillary's ho humness couldn't even entice a lot of Democrats to get out and vote for her. Maybe they took her election for granted, as being in the bag. It seems Hillary certainly did. She'd be sitting in the White House now if she had given the election the old college try instead of a half hearted one.

Then you had the jury rigging of the Democratic primaries by the DNC and democratic state party leadership in Hillary's favor. That made a lot of Sanders supporters to stay home. Those that did vote went to Hillary 75%, 12% for Trump, 13% third party. Compare those numbers to the Democratic base which voted for Hillary 89% to 8% over Trump with just 3% voting third party. In the end, the independent voter gave the election to Trump. Why? Hillary had a 27% favorable rating among independents, 70% unfavorable. Trump wasn't much like either, but his 40% favorable/57% unfavorable on election day was just enough to give Trump the seat in the Oval Office. Questions 10 and 11.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/l37rosbwjp/econTabReport_lv.pdf

Heck, 25% of all Americans disliked both major party candidates and didn't want neither one to become the next president which included 54% of independents.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

There's numerous other reasons, but this just touches on the most obvious. Still, as you pointed out, the earth, moon, sun, the planets, even galaxies had to align up perfectly for Trump to win. This is why I believe any other Democratic candidate would have won hands down.

Shame the Democrats didn't listen to America as a whole, back in February of 2016 a poll showed 56% of all Americans wanted the Democrats to nominate someone other than Hillary. Of course all of America do not decide who will be the Democratic nominee, Democrats do which is their right, no doubt about it. But is is all Americans who decide the general election. Not just democrats who could jury rig their primaries to ensure Hillary won. No such jury rigging the general election.
 
All this impeachment talk is, at the end of the day, is bull****.

Congress is going through the motions as it is their obligation and duty to perform. However, I don't believe a single one of them believes for a second that the senate will impeach Trump.

Trump said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still be loyal to him. That might be the only truth he has ever told.

And those 5th Avenue supporters make up a huge block of the voters that elect those Republican senators. If you think for one second that honesty, integrity, and all those things our elected leaders are supposed to stand by is worth a dime if it comes to them losing votes, you are sadly mistaken. If they do what's right, and lose their jobs as a result, their thinking tells them that they can do more by doing what's wrong if it means being able to keep their seat in the senate to fight future fights.

No, Trump will not be impeached.

But this is what will be accomplished. The public will get a better view at all the sordid details behind all the many allegations, the proven evidence of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and all the messy details in the chaotic operations of the one, Donald J. Trump.

Although that will not result in any loss of Trump's "5th Avenue" type supporters, it will open the eyes of the many independents who are either on the fence or may be presently supporting Comrade Trumpov. This exposure will put Trump in full melt-down mode. His ego will not be able to handle it at all. And he will take this meltdown before the camera for all the world to see because he cannot help himself from being an obnoxious media whore.
 
If that was written by a member of the faculty at Princeton, then not only has Rolling Stone standards collapsed, so has Princeton's. Vacuous and moralistic tripe of this quality is better found on the Antifa street than among the serious. So now two institutions should be embarrassed.

Try again.

Golly, let me make this difficult academic decision: Should I go with the opinion of an award-winning Princeton University historian and professor, or should I listen to the bombastic, uninformed tripe of a Trump acolyte?

Tough decision, but I think I'm going with the professor. Sorry, dude.
 
All this impeachment talk is, at the end of the day, is bull****.

Congress is going through the motions as it is their obligation and duty to perform. However, I don't believe a single one of them believes for a second that the senate will impeach Trump.

Trump said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and his supporters would still be loyal to him. That might be the only truth he has ever told.

And those 5th Avenue supporters make up a huge block of the voters that elect those Republican senators. If you think for one second that honesty, integrity, and all those things our elected leaders are supposed to stand by is worth a dime if it comes to them losing votes, you are sadly mistaken. If they do what's right, and lose their jobs as a result, their thinking tells them that they can do more by doing what's wrong if it means being able to keep their seat in the senate to fight future fights.

No, Trump will not be impeached.

But this is what will be accomplished. The public will get a better view at all the sordid details behind all the many allegations, the proven evidence of abuse of power, obstruction of justice, and all the messy details in the chaotic operations of the one, Donald J. Trump.

Although that will not result in any loss of Trump's "5th Avenue" type supporters, it will open the eyes of the many independents who are either on the fence or may be presently supporting Comrade Trumpov. This exposure will put Trump in full melt-down mode. His ego will not be able to handle it at all.

Dude, Trump absolutely will be impeached. It's only a question of when, not if. It will happen within the next couple of months.

The only question remaining is if 20 spineless, cynical Repug Senators can find the moral courage buried deep in their craven souls to remove the despot currently occupying the White House.
 
This is an excellent article from Rolling Stone about the impeachable offenses that Trump has committed, and the historical context compared to other Presidents' crimes.

Waiting for the 2020 election to remove Trump from office would be an egregious mistake. Anyone who thinks this is a wise course of action vastly underestimates the threat to our democracy posed by Trump.

I particularly liked this quote about the idiotic "Deep State" hysteria:



Another good quote:
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Why We Must Impeach Donald Trump – Rolling Stone

Y'all want him impeached because you don't think you can beat him at the ballot box.
 
There are three major differences between Trump's impeachment and Clinton's impeachment:

1) Clinton admitted that what he did was wrong, earning sympathy from many voters. Trump will never do this. It would be smart of Trump to admit that he ****ed-up, but his narcissism makes this impossible.

2) What Clinton did had nothing to do with national security.

3) The number of people supporting Clinton's impeachment and removal was NOWHERE near as high as it is for Trump.

Therefore, I think any attempted comparisons with Clinton's impeachment are not going to work out well for Trump acolytes.

The funny thing is this: You are not even a Republican, yet you made a more coherent argument than any of them could.

#2: Clinton put himself in a position to be blackmailed by a foreign government.

#2A: Clinton took campaign contributions from Chinese nationals who were members of the Chicom army.

Chinese Illegally Donated to Bill Clinton Reelection Campaign. Media Downplayed. | National Review

#2B: Clinton gave missile technology to the Chicoms.

Clinton Approves Technology Transfer to China - The New York Times
 
Y'all want him impeached because you don't think you can beat him at the ballot box.

Not really. Trump is a traitor and will allow Putin to help him steal the election. That's what concerns me.
 
Funny how you didn't respond to my other post.

That's OK. You don't want to acknowledge that Trump is a traitor who does Putin's bidding. If I was a shameless Trump cultist such as you, I might feel the same way. I'm very sympathetic to your plight. It's a tough position to be in.

And why should I respond to your other post? I'm not condoning what Clinton did to get impeached and it's not relevant to Trump's impeachment, anyway. I don't know why you posted that stuff.

The bottom line is that there is already MUCH more support for Trump's impeachment than there ever was for Clinton's impeachment. That is just a fact. Posting a bunch of National Review nonsense about China is not relevant to the discussion.
 
That's OK. You don't want to acknowledge that Trump is a traitor who does Putin's bidding. If I was a shameless Trump cultist such as you, I might feel the same way. I'm very sympathetic to your plight. It's a tough position to be in.

And why should I respond to your other post? I'm not condoning what Clinton did to get impeached and it's not relevant to Trump's impeachment, anyway. I don't know why you posted that stuff.

The bottom line is that there is already MUCH more support for Trump's impeachment than there ever was for Clinton's impeachment. That is just a fact. Posting a bunch of National Review nonsense about China is not relevant to the discussion.

Dodge #2. :lamo

Clinton Approves Technology Transfer to China - The New York Times
 
You only care because you hate Trump. :lamo

I don't hate him. I'm embarrassed by him and ashamed that this traitor and corrupt abomination of a man is our President.

Like any decent American. Like any true patriot.
 
really: how so?

Like I said to another poster. Negative partisanship drove a record number of women suburbanites and minorities to the polls in 2018.

In other words, your side got its ****ing ass kicked because people are absolutely disgusted by the politics you guys embrace.

Keep it up.
 
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