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Process Question

ObamacareFail said:
You are in fact making that up as you go along. Read the entire timeline:

Clinton impeachment timeline

They most certainly did not skip an impeachment inquiry.
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It doesn't matter if Democrats "make it up as they go along". The Constitution says very little about the impeachment process, Schiff and the Democrats can basically conduct this investigation any way they see fit.

Trump is going to be impeached, just deal with it and quit crying about it. You just need to hope that 20 spineless Repugs in the Senate don't find the moral courage to remove that corrupt traitorous despot from office.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Those of you on the left will be living with the consequences of the way the democrakpots are going about it now. Obamacare destroyed your party over multiple election cycles. This will harm them much much worse.
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You seem to be confused, as usual, I am not a Democrat....opps
 
Luckyone said:
The Republican Trump supporters are attacking the impeachment inquiry process in an attempt to disrupt and discredit the impeachment of Trump.

For the sake of this OP alone, let us say that the Republicans are right regarding the process (which they are not and in the link below you will see why not).

My question to all Trump supporters is "what happens if the investigation and subsequent publicly-aired impeachment does uncover impeachable wrong doing by Trump? Would the process in uncovering the truth be of any importance? Is not the truth and the facts that are important?"
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to be fair its NOT "the republicans" its the insane retarded nutters

many republicans understand the processes is fine, some dont like it but they arent attacking the process because they arent dishonest and or uneducated enough to do so.

as for you question? who knows what those retarded nutters thing/claim but more importantly who cares . . people left right and center mock them for their stupidity
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
It doesn't matter if Democrats "make it up as they go along". The Constitution says very little about the impeachment process, Schiff and the Democrats can basically conduct this investigation any way they see fit.
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They can certainly and legally go through the motions of an investigation, however without a full vote of the House, and giving equal subponea power and cross examining privileges to the republicans, it's nothing more then a witch hunt and a kangaroo court. It's not an impeachment. They are at this time only attempting to make it look like one. If they went for a full vote in the house and it passed, there would be even more subpoena power, even for the democrats. And the President would have less power to fight the subpoenas. However they know they do not have the votes as many of those new house members were elected in areas that voted for Trump, and it was in an election cycle where Trump was not on the ballot. He will be on the ballot in 2020.

Trump is going to be impeached, just deal with it and quit crying about it.
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I have already pointed out on in this thread that there will likely ultimately be impeachment hearings. However Trump will not be tossed out. And it's only TDS inflicted libruls who are crying. Crying over the fact that this so-called impeachment inquiry is not being taken seriously.


You just need to hope that 20 spineless Repugs in the Senate don't find the moral courage to remove that corrupt traitorous despot from office.
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You need to calm down and accept that the democrats are not going to be successful unless they actually come up with something illegal that Trump did, and even then, it would have to be devastating. Remember, They had Bill Clinton on 11 felonies and he was not tossed out of office. Billy boy was even disbarred from practicing law in his home state for 5 years. And you are mistakenly assuming that all that is needed to toss Trump out of office is 20 republicans. I can pretty much assure you that you will not even get every democrat Senator to vote for it unless something utterly devastating is unearthed. For instance, Doug Jones of Alabama knows it a yes vote from him is political suicide.
 
Casper said:
You seem to be confused, as usual, I am not a Democrat....opps
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And I am not a republican. What's your point? You are a librul and in all likelihood voted democrat and intend to keep doing so.
 
Luckyone said:
The Republican Trump supporters are attacking the impeachment inquiry process in an attempt to disrupt and discredit the impeachment of Trump.

For the sake of this OP alone, let us say that the Republicans are right regarding the process (which they are not and in the link below you will see why not).

My question to all Trump supporters is "what happens if the investigation and subsequent publicly-aired impeachment does uncover impeachable wrong doing by Trump? Would the process in uncovering the truth be of any importance? Is not the truth and the facts that are important?"
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What if all past and present efforts to falsely frame Trump for crimes he never committed are exposed for being the lawless hit jobs they were? Will it really matter or will it be blown off by democrats who think no harm was done or who ask, like Hillary, "What the hell difference does it make now?" after Trump wins the 2020 election?
 
ObamacareFail said:
They can certainly and legally go through the motions of an investigation, however without a full vote of the House, and giving equal subponea power and cross examining privileges to the republicans, it's nothing more then a witch hunt and a kangaroo court. It's not an impeachment. They are at this time only attempting to make it look like one. If they went for a full vote in the house and it passed, there would be even more subpoena power, even for the democrats. And the President would have less power to fight the subpoenas. However they know they do not have the votes as many of those new house members were elected in areas that voted for Trump, and it was in an election cycle where Trump was not on the ballot. He will be on the ballot in 2020.



I have already pointed out on in this thread that there will likely ultimately be impeachment hearings. However Trump will not be tossed out. And it's only TDS inflicted libruls who are crying. Crying over the fact that this so-called impeachment inquiry is not being taken seriously.




You need to calm down and accept that the democrats are not going to be successful unless they actually come up with something illegal that Trump did, and even then, it would have to be devastating. Remember, They had Bill Clinton on 11 felonies and he was not tossed out of office. Billy boy was even disbarred from practicing law in his home state for 5 years. And you are mistakenly assuming that all that is needed to toss Trump out of office is 20 republicans. I can pretty much assure you that you will not even get every democrat Senator to vote for it unless something utterly devastating is unearthed. For instance, Doug Jones of Alabama knows it a yes vote from him is political suicide.
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It's not a "witch hunt" and "kangaroo court" when Trump and the White House has already incriminated himself and admitted that he was looking for dirt on a political opponent. And please don't say that didn't occur. That, in and of itself, is high crimes and misdemeanors and an impeachable offense. All this other stuff that we're debating is pretty much irrelevant.
 
marke said:
What if all past and present efforts to falsely frame Trump for crimes he never committed are exposed for being the lawless hit jobs they were? Will it really matter or will it be blown off by democrats who think no harm was done or who ask, like Hillary, "What the hell difference does it make now?" after Trump wins the 2020 election?
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If Trump is found guilty of abusing his power, it will not matter how the information was obtained. Bottom line is that abusing the power of the office is impeachable.
 
ObamacareFail said:
And I am not a republican. What's your point? You are a librul and in all likelihood voted democrat and intend to keep doing so.
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Voted mainly for Democrats in 2018, Voted almost straight Republican in 2016. Did not vote for Hillary orTrump in 2016, neither was fit for the office and I have been proven correct by the one that managed to get elected. I am a Liberal only in the sense that I believe in maintaining social programs, support abortion up to a point, support the rights of gays so that they mirror the rights of straight couples, support environmental protections, and believe we can ensure that All American Citizens have access to quality medical care. On the Conservative side I support the 2nd A, believe in a string military, believe in balancing the budget and reducing the National debt, and believe in getting the illegal immigration issue under control by good birder security, making E-Verify the law if the land and severely punishing those that knowingly hire illegals, and support a fair tax system.
It is why I am an Independent, neither side has all the answers and both regularly ignore the principles they are supposed to stand for.
So do you ever vote for Democrats or are you under the belief that only Republicans have the answers?
 
Luckyone said:
If Trump is found guilty of abusing his power, it will not matter how the information was obtained. Bottom line is that abusing the power of the office is impeachable.
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If Trump had only been found guilty of Russian collusion...
If Trump had only been found guilty of campaign violations...
If only Trump had been found guilty of obstruction of justice...
If only Trump had been found guilty of firing Comey illegally...
If only Trump had been found guilty of treason...
If only Trump had been found guilty of tax evasion...
If only it had been Trump who threatened the Ukrainian president in a bribery scam for personal family enrichment...

And/or if only Trump can be found guilty of abusing his power then maybe democrats will finally be able to get rid of him after so many years of failed efforts.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
It's not a "witch hunt" and "kangaroo court" when Trump and the White House has already incriminated himself and admitted that he was looking for dirt on a political opponent. And please don't say that didn't occur. That, in and of itself, is high crimes and misdemeanors and an impeachable offense. All this other stuff that we're debating is pretty much irrelevant.
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You mean like Hillary looked for dirt in the 2016 race? It's called opposition research. As long as it's done legally, it's not a problem. Trump suggested the Ukraine Prime minister should investigate Joe Biden's son....however no quid pro quo was offered and no aid was held up. And you obviously do not have the foggiest clue what is or is not a high crime or misdemeaor or an impeachable offense. If the phone call with the Ukraine prime minister were impeachable, the democrackpots would already be submitting articles of impeachment after a full vote in the house. What is going on now is a witch-hunt and a kangaroo court.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You mean like Hillary looked for dirt in the 2016 race? It's called opposition research. As long as it's done legally, it's not a problem. Trump suggested the Ukraine Prime minister should investigate Joe Biden's son....however no quid pro quo was offered and no aid was held up. And you obviously do not have the foggiest clue what is or is not a high crime or misdemeaor or an impeachable offense. If the phone call with the Ukraine prime minister were impeachable, the democrackpots would already be submitting articles of impeachment after a full vote in the house. What is going on now is a witch-hunt and a kangaroo court.
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Wrong. The Democrats are being responsible and completing a full investigation. The impeachment vote will come soon, Trump will be impeached, and then you will be crying.

And Hillary wasn't President, so that worthless blather also matters not.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
Wrong. The Democrats are being responsible and completing a full investigation. The impeachment vote will come soon, Trump will be impeached, and then you will be crying.
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You really should find a way to deal with that over the top partisan anger. The democrats are running a sham investigation. Running a one sided witch-hunt in the basement of the capitol building and banning republicans from participating is not how previous impeachment investigations were handled. They were slammed for that hence the now public hearings. However they are still one sided and quite scripted. Republicans can now cross examine witnesess, however Democrat Rep Adam ****head can veto any republican witness. If it were a responsible investigation they would run it like the Clinton and Nixon impeachment inquiries were handled. As for ultimate impeachment....yes that can happen, just as it did with Bill Clinton, however just as with Clinton, Trump will not be removed from office. He will be acquitted in the Senate. And to be honest, it's not a given that Trump will be impeached. There are roughly 34 democrats in the house who will be facing re-election races in districts that Trump handily won in 2016. Impeachment or no impeachment, Trump will almost certainly be re-elected. Then you will be the one crying.

And Hillary wasn't President, so that worthless blather also matters not.
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However she did seek and receive assistance for her 2016 campaign from the previous administration in Ukraine. And she also has her hand on the throat of your democrat party. Perhaps someday you will wake up to the damage that the Clintons have inflicted on your party for the last 2 and 1/2 decades.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You mean like Hillary looked for dirt in the 2016 race? It's called opposition research. As long as it's done legally, it's not a problem. Trump suggested the Ukraine Prime minister should investigate Joe Biden's son....however no quid pro quo was offered and no aid was held up. And you obviously do not have the foggiest clue what is or is not a high crime or misdemeaor or an impeachable offense. If the phone call with the Ukraine prime minister were impeachable, the democrackpots would already be submitting articles of impeachment after a full vote in the house. What is going on now is a witch-hunt and a kangaroo court.
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It wasn't done legally, which is the whole point. Hence, why Trump is about to be impeached. Duh.

Aid most certainly was held up. It wasn't released until after the whistleblower came forward. That's the only reason Ukraine received the military aid.

And you're wrong about your last comment as well. Democrats are being diligent and launching a full investigation. In the process, they are finding other people who have potentially committed impeachable/criminal offenses, such as Rudy Giuliani, William Barr, Mike Pompeo, and Mike Pence. The Democrats are doing exactly what they should be doing. You just don't like what they're finding.

And I seriously doubt that you had a problem with the Republicans and their 8 bull**** Benghazi investigations. Did you? At least this investigation is going to actually result in something - Trump's impeachment.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
It wasn't done legally, which is the whole point.
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It was absolutely done legally. Even the Schitt's star witnesses testimony bears that out. Each witness so far has been asked point blank if they have any evidence of an impeachable offense against Trump.....and they have all answered "No" Have you even paid attention to the hearings?

Hence, why Trump is about to be impeached. Duh.
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I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you are a millenial who has almost no understanding of what impeachment is. The party with the majority in the house can technically impeach a president for spitting on the sidewalk if they prefer. Two previous presidents have been impeached(Clinton and Andrew Johnson). Both served out their terms. A third(Nixon) almost certainly would have been impeached, had he not resigned.With Johnson, it was entirely political as it will be in Trump is impeached. Nixon and Clinton deserved impeachment. Johnson did not, and neither does Trump.

Aid most certainly was held up.
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And holding foreign aid up is most certainly legal.


It wasn't released until after the whistleblower came forward.
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The so-called whistleblower is not really a whistleblower. He is a democrat operative. This entire farce was set up by Adam Schitt.
That's the only reason Ukraine received the military aid.

And you're wrong about your last comment as well. Democrats are being diligent and launching a full investigation.
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Democrats are not running the impeachment inquiries the way previous impeachment inquiries have been run. Previous inquiries, against Clinton, Nixon, and Johnson ran them in a way that afforded the accused full due process rights. That is not what the democrats are doing now. They are running it like a third world dictatorship would. Deep down, I think you know that.



In the process, they are finding other people who have potentially committed impeachable/criminal offenses, such as Rudy Giuliani, William Barr, Mike Pompeo, and Mike Pence.
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You are basically making it up as you go along.

The Democrats are doing exactly what they should be doing.
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What they should do is end their three year temper tantrum over losing the 2016 election.
You just don't like what they're finding.

And I seriously doubt that you had a problem with the Republicans and their 8 bull**** Benghazi investigations. Did you?
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I had no problem whatsoever with the Benghazi hearings. First, a US Amabassador died because the Obama administration and Sec of State Hillary Clinton denied repeated requests for increased protection of that embassy and Consulate, Then when the attacks occurred Both Obama and Hillary knowingly lied to the American people for two weeks claiming that a you tube video inspired the attack. And it was the Benghazi hearings that led to the discovery of Hillary's email scandal, which ultimately led to

At least this investigation is going to actually result in something - Trump's impeachment.
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Maybe maybe not. It is not a given that the democrats will get enough votes to impeach. Without a smoking gun, there are roughly 34 democrats in districts Trump won handily in 2016 that are not likely to risk re-election chances on Trump impeachment. And once again, even if impeached, the Senate will acquit Trump and he will not only serve out his term, he will likely be re-elected. And as a side benefit, the democrats will likely lose control of the House.
 
ObamacareFail said:
It was absolutely done legally. Even the Schitt's star witnesses testimony bears that out. Each witness so far has been asked point blank if they have any evidence of an impeachable offense against Trump.....and they have all answered "No" Have you even paid attention to the hearings?



I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you are a millenial who has almost no understanding of what impeachment is. The party with the majority in the house can technically impeach a president for spitting on the sidewalk if they prefer. Two previous presidents have been impeached(Clinton and Andrew Johnson). Both served out their terms. A third(Nixon) almost certainly would have been impeached, had he not resigned.With Johnson, it was entirely political as it will be in Trump is impeached. Nixon and Clinton deserved impeachment. Johnson did not, and neither does Trump.



And holding foreign aid up is most certainly legal.





The so-called whistleblower is not really a whistleblower. He is a democrat operative. This entire farce was set up by Adam Schitt.
That's the only reason Ukraine received the military aid.



Democrats are not running the impeachment inquiries the way previous impeachment inquiries have been run. Previous inquiries, against Clinton, Nixon, and Johnson ran them in a way that afforded the accused full due process rights. That is not what the democrats are doing now. They are running it like a third world dictatorship would. Deep down, I think you know that.





You are basically making it up as you go along.



What they should do is end their three year temper tantrum over losing the 2016 election.
You just don't like what they're finding.



I had no problem whatsoever with the Benghazi hearings. First, a US Amabassador died because the Obama administration and Sec of State Hillary Clinton denied repeated requests for increased protection of that embassy and Consulate, Then when the attacks occurred Both Obama and Hillary knowingly lied to the American people for two weeks claiming that a you tube video inspired the attack. And it was the Benghazi hearings that led to the discovery of Hillary's email scandal, which ultimately led to




Maybe maybe not. It is not a given that the democrats will get enough votes to impeach. Without a smoking gun, there are roughly 34 democrats in districts Trump won handily in 2016 that are not likely to risk re-election chances on Trump impeachment. And once again, even if impeached, the Senate will acquit Trump and he will not only serve out his term, he will likely be re-elected. And as a side benefit, the democrats will likely lose control of the House.
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It's not up to the witnesses to decide whether or not an offense is impeachable. Those are idiotic questions that those Repug Congressmen keep asking, not that you would ever understand that. It's Congress' decision, hence the whole freaking point of the hearings. So you started off on very precarious ground and went downhill from there.

Trump can testify any time he wants. He has no one to blame but himself for his sorry defense.

You live in the Fox News bubble and you will always be willfully misinformed. Trump most certainly will be impeached. That's a given.

And if Obama had done something wrong regarding Benghazi, the Repugs would have impeached him. Period. All of your childish blather changes none of that.
 
Kerry Won Ohio said:
It's not up to the witnesses to decide whether or not an offense is impeachable. Those are idiotic questions that those Repug Congressmen keep asking, not that you would ever understand that. It's Congress' decision, hence the whole freaking point of the hearings. So you started off on very precarious ground and went downhill from there.
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That retort is a good example of why I don't think you have any coherent understanding of the history of impeachment.

Trump can testify any time he wants. He has no one to blame but himself for his sorry defense.
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What I am beginning to assume is that you will never quite get the point. I'll try this one more time. What's missing in the democrat party's kangaroo court is fairness and due process. Previous impeachment inquiries were not done this way. When Clinton was impeached, both parties had equal rights to call or subpoena witnesses or present evidence. One side could not veto the other side. Adam Schitt is not running it that way. First he started it with secret inquries behind closed doors....the transcripts have still not been released. Second, he has the power to veto any or all witnesses the republicans bring up. He is running the inquiry like a tinpot dictator.

You live in the Fox News bubble and you will always be willfully misinformed.
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No, actually I live in the real world. I was around for the Clinton impeachment and the imminent Nixon impeachment had he not resigned. I know how the proceedings were run then and how they are being run now. You are the one living in a partisan bubble. You swallow anything and everything Nancy Pelosi and her merry band of idiots tell you.

Trump most certainly will be impeached. That's a given.
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Once again....maybe, and maybe not. If the democrats do come up with enough votes to impeach Trump, they will lose their majority in next years election.....and for what? Trump will be acquitted in the Senate. Or do you think somewhere in the neighborhood of 22 republicans will vote to remove Trump from office. I am not even sure that you understand that impeachment alone does not remove a president from office.



And if Obama had done something wrong regarding Benghazi, the Repugs would have impeached him. Period.
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Wake up and smell the coffee! The Benghazi Hearings were not an impeachment inquiry. Most congressional hearings are not about impeachment. You do realize that only two presidents in this nation's history have been impeached, don't you? Yet neraly every modern presidential cycle involves congressional hearings. Benghazi was about a president and secretary of state failing to heed calls for added security in Libya and then lying to the American people after an American Ambassador and three other Americans were killed. The American people demanded answers. That is what those hearings were about.


All of your childish blather changes none of that.
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Yawn.....do yourself a favor and study the history of impeachments and then take off your librul blinders long enough to employ basic objectivity. The only mindset you seem capable of at the moment is "democrat vs republican". It's all about political party to you. BTW, I am not a republican.
 
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