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Do conservatives see ANY injustice in society?

SonOfDaedalus

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Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
 
Little personal story here. I just had dinner with old friends from high school, one of them voted for Trump and is sticking with Trump all the way. She was talking about her family and mentioned a niece who she's very unhappy with and she spoke about her in a very negative way. She kept repeating the phrase "but, she's a liberal" in regard to this niece. I asked her why that's a problem. She told me that this niece gave her a gift, a package containing all biodegradable items. The niece made it a point to tell her that everything would help keep the planet clean. My friend was offended, like 'how dare she promote her liberal ideas on me!'

I told my friend, 'well, I'm also a liberal'. I told her that niece is a young women and these younger people are much wiser and more aware than we could ever be of the damage man is doing to our planet. She just didn't get it. She only saw this niece as trying to force her to do something, like help the planet, that she doesn't feel needs any help.

It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?



Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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Speaking only for myself as a Libertarian here are a few things I consider to be injustices...

  • The second amendment is under continuous attack
  • Citizenship has lost its privilege. The gap in benefits, services, and rights being citizens and non-citizens is eroding
  • For profit business are being forced to make profit secondary to virtue signaling
  • Freedom to practice religion is being eroded
  • Society as a whole is being forced to accommodate, support and subsidize the poor decisions of a few
  • Innocent until proven guilty is no longer de facto. Serious allegations -- regardless of evidence -- is considered as proof of guilt
  • Guilt by Association is on the rise
  • Doxxing and the cancel culture limits freedom of speech
  • Double standard based on political views
  • Accusations of "Thought" crimes are on the rise. This requires no proof and relies on projected intent.
  • Immigrants seeking a legal path have a much tougher path than those seeking an illegal path
  • Success is demonized
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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Crovax said it best. Post #2.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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From your list?
1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing. Big ****ing deal. As long as the rich are EARNING their money and not stealing it from you, then all you are is whining. Grow a set. Earn more. Stop pissing yourself about what others have and concern yourself more with your own ineptitude. Income isnt a zero sum game. Earn yours.

2. Environment pollution. I care about the environment. i care about pollution. Id bet I'm IN 'nature' a hell of a lot more than most city leftists that bitch about the environment and pollution. Im very pro green energy...provided that its viable. I think the stupidity of the previous administration cant be understated. they literally pissed away billions as political favors. Bad investments. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt make good and smart investment in clean energy, nor does it mean we shouldn't make every effort to make our fossil fuel production as clean as possible. But 'injustice'? Well...I suppose if you insist on being a victim.....

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation. Meh. People discriminate all the time. Government agencies should be barred from discrimination. All other individuals...do what you like. And while it occurs...it doesnt occur with near the frequency leftists pretend that it does.

4. Criminal justice. Again...this is one of those things where the mythology doesnt mesh with fact. More blacks go to prison because more blacks by percentage commit violent crimes. Not because I say so but because the FBI crime statistics say so. People continually claim that cops shoot black people at a discriminatory rate...the facts prove that to be a lie. BUT...is it true that a culmination of societal circumstances will put black youth at greater risk for contact with law enforcement and often when they do have that contact they are punished at a higher rate? Yes. That has far less to do with a discriminatory system, of justice than a ****ed up economic social system where most black Americans live. And funny...you dont put that on your list.

5. Healthcare for the poor. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.

6. Educational inequality. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.
 
The death of journalism was pretty tragic.
 
HumblePi said:
Little personal story here. I just had dinner with old friends from high school, one of them voted for Trump and is sticking with Trump all the way. She was talking about her family and mentioned a niece who she's very unhappy with and she spoke about her in a very negative way. She kept repeating the phrase "but, she's a liberal" in regard to this niece. I asked her why that's a problem. She told me that this niece gave her a gift, a package containing all biodegradable items. The niece made it a point to tell her that everything would help keep the planet clean. My friend was offended, like 'how dare she promote her liberal ideas on me!'

I told my friend, 'well, I'm also a liberal'. I told her that niece is a young women and these younger people are much wiser and more aware than we could ever be of the damage man is doing to our planet. She just didn't get it. She only saw this niece as trying to force her to do something, like help the planet, that she doesn't feel needs any help.

It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
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I totally empathize with how your friend feels. She wants to decide for herself what kind of products to use.
She felt like her niece was imposing her belief system onto her. I'm sure there is more to this than just soap products.
I get it.

Ironically, you've described the mind of a freedom robbing leftist, not a conservative. (bolded)
Whatever happened to I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it?
Your friend has a right to stick with Trump without passing it by the leftist thought police.
 
HumblePi said:
It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
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I have the same impression about many on the left. There is an unwillingness to compromise with one another.


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dorsai said:
Speaking only for myself as a Libertarian here are a few things I consider to be injustices...

  • The second amendment is under continuous attack
  • Citizenship has lost its privilege. The gap in benefits, services, and rights being citizens and non-citizens is eroding
  • For profit business are being forced to make profit secondary to virtue signaling
  • Freedom to practice religion is being eroded
  • Society as a whole is being forced to accommodate, support and subsidize the poor decisions of a few
  • Innocent until proven guilty is no longer de facto. Serious allegations -- regardless of evidence -- is considered as proof of guilt
  • Guilt by Association is on the rise
  • Doxxing and the cancel culture limits freedom of speech
  • Double standard based on political views
  • Accusations of "Thought" crimes are on the rise. This requires no proof and relies on projected intent.
  • Immigrants seeking a legal path have a much tougher path than those seeking an illegal path
  • Success is demonized
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Wow, given that literally nothing you stated is based in reality, I think that speaks volumes about conservatives and freedom.

Thanks for clearing that up!
 
Crovax said:
Erosion of individual freedoms
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You mean like the freedom to have gay sex in your own home? Conservatives on the court, including Scalia all ruled in favor of Texas' ban on sodomy. A gay man was arrested in his own home for having gay sex. Probably one of the most absurd infringements of individual freedom I ever heard of.

It seems the only individual freedoms they care about are their own.

Moreover, that seems like a very short and self-serving list.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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Have you ever heard the phrase, “sometimes life just isn’t fair”?

You can call life unjust if you want, and you should work to help out your fellow man, but if your goal is to square up all the rough edges you’re going to be disappointed.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You mean like the freedom to have gay sex in your own home? Conservatives on the court, including Scalia all ruled in favor of Texas' ban on sodomy. A gay man was arrested in his own home for having gay sex. Probably one of the most absurd infringements of individual freedom I ever heard of.

It seems the only individual freedoms they care about are their own.

Moreover, that seems like a very short and self-serving list.
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What a backward attitude that "gay sex" can only be achieved with sodomy and that straight couples dont engage in sodomy.
 
This whole thread counts as an injustice against conservatives who are of course bad people for not being liberals.
 
VanceMack said:
From your list?
1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing. Big ****ing deal. As long as the rich are EARNING their money and not stealing it from you, then all you are is whining. Grow a set. Earn more. Stop pissing yourself about what others have and concern yourself more with your own ineptitude. Income isnt a zero sum game. Earn yours.
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Yes...billionaires "earn" everything, at no expense to the citizenry. I also poop skittles. Want some?

VanceMack said:
2. Environment pollution. I care about the environment. i care about pollution. Id bet I'm IN 'nature' a hell of a lot more than most city leftists that bitch about the environment and pollution. Im very pro green energy...provided that its viable. I think the stupidity of the previous administration cant be understated. they literally pissed away billions as political favors. Bad investments. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt make good and smart investment in clean energy, nor does it mean we shouldn't make every effort to make our fossil fuel production as clean as possible. But 'injustice'? Well...I suppose if you insist on being a victim.....
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Was actually shocked at the reasonableness of this response...until the bolded, which made me go "Ah, right, there he is".

VanceMack said:
3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation. Meh. People discriminate all the time. Government agencies should be barred from discrimination. All other individuals...do what you like. And while it occurs...it doesnt occur with near the frequency leftists pretend that it does.
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Spoken like someone with privilege. Good for you. Surely only your reality applies.

VanceMack said:
4. Criminal justice. Again...this is one of those things where the mythology doesnt mesh with fact. More blacks go to prison because more blacks by percentage commit violent crimes. Not because I say so but because the FBI crime statistics say so. People continually claim that cops shoot black people at a discriminatory rate...the facts prove that to be a lie. BUT...is it true that a culmination of societal circumstances will put black youth at greater risk for contact with law enforcement and often when they do have that contact they are punished at a higher rate? Yes. That has far less to do with a discriminatory system, of justice than a ****ed up economic social system where most black Americans live. And funny...you dont put that on your list.
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Take half the story, make up the rest, and yeah, the world suddenly becomes fair. Again, good for you.

VanceMack said:
5. Healthcare for the poor. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.
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An economic reality...except in pretty much every other 1st world country...leading one to wonder if America is a 1st world country?

VanceMack said:
6. Educational inequality. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.
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An economic reality...except in pretty much every other 1st world country...leading one to wonder if America is a 1st world country?

Predictably wrong is still wrong. You could have saved space and simply said "I don't care about anyone but myself". That would have sufficed. In fact, you could have saved even more space and simply not posted...we already know.

Don't get salty, just trying to be helpful. :)
 
VanceMack said:
From your list?
1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing. Big ****ing deal. As long as the rich are EARNING their money and not stealing it from you, then all you are is whining. Grow a set. Earn more. Stop pissing yourself about what others have and concern yourself more with your own ineptitude. Income isnt a zero sum game. Earn yours.

2. Environment pollution. I care about the environment. i care about pollution. Id bet I'm IN 'nature' a hell of a lot more than most city leftists that bitch about the environment and pollution. Im very pro green energy...provided that its viable. I think the stupidity of the previous administration cant be understated. they literally pissed away billions as political favors. Bad investments. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt make good and smart investment in clean energy, nor does it mean we shouldn't make every effort to make our fossil fuel production as clean as possible. But 'injustice'? Well...I suppose if you insist on being a victim.....

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation. Meh. People discriminate all the time. Government agencies should be barred from discrimination. All other individuals...do what you like. And while it occurs...it doesnt occur with near the frequency leftists pretend that it does.

4. Criminal justice. Again...this is one of those things where the mythology doesnt mesh with fact. More blacks go to prison because more blacks by percentage commit violent crimes. Not because I say so but because the FBI crime statistics say so. People continually claim that cops shoot black people at a discriminatory rate...the facts prove that to be a lie. BUT...is it true that a culmination of societal circumstances will put black youth at greater risk for contact with law enforcement and often when they do have that contact they are punished at a higher rate? Yes. That has far less to do with a discriminatory system, of justice than a ****ed up economic social system where most black Americans live. And funny...you dont put that on your list.

5. Healthcare for the poor. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.

6. Educational inequality. Not 'injustice'...its just economic reality.
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1. Notice I mention GROWING income inequality. I have no problem with the reality that some are richer than others. I have a problem with the inequality growing continually. Money is also power. So we also have a growing inequality of power. That's not a problem to you?

2. You say you care about the environment but I don't see this concern in any conservative platforms. It seems you don't agree with conservatives on this issue.

3. In other words, you don't care about discrimination. It would be great if we only disagreed on how to deal with discrimination. It would be great if conservatives had some alternative approach. But it's just denial and indifference.

4. Studies have shown that Black and Whites use marijuana at the same rate that Blacks are far far more likely to be in prison for the same thing. Moreover, many minorities are in prison solely because they cannot afford bail or cannot afford to pay fines. Is that not injustice?

5. So you don't care that poor sick people die. Got it.

6. Poorly educated poor people is "just economic reality" but you don't want to do anything to change it. Moreover, a better educated society helps the entire society and reduces poverty.


Is there any injustice in society that is affecting other that you care about. I'm not poor. I have no reason to care about poor people without healthcare or those who can't afford an education. But I care about those who are less fortunate or others facing injustices.

Are there people outside of yourself and your own group that you feel are being treated unfairly?
 
eman623 said:
This whole thread counts as an injustice against conservatives who are of course bad people for not being liberals.
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No, I just asked a question. What injustices do conservatives care about?

And injustices against conservatives don't really count. I'm talking about caring about people other than yourself.
 
Lutherf said:
Have you ever heard the phrase, “sometimes life just isn’t fair”?

You can call life unjust if you want, and you should work to help out your fellow man, but if your goal is to square up all the rough edges you’re going to be disappointed.
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So, if you can't fix all the problems in the world you should just do nothing?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
No, I just asked a question. What injustices do conservatives care about?

And injustices against conservatives don't really count. I'm talking about caring about people other than yourself.
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Since you are not yourself a conservatives, why don't you care about injustices against conservatives? Why don't they count?
 
dorsai said:
Speaking only for myself as a Libertarian here are a few things I consider to be injustices...

  • The second amendment is under continuous attack
  • Citizenship has lost its privilege. The gap in benefits, services, and rights being citizens and non-citizens is eroding
  • For profit business are being forced to make profit secondary to virtue signaling
  • Freedom to practice religion is being eroded
  • Society as a whole is being forced to accommodate, support and subsidize the poor decisions of a few
  • Innocent until proven guilty is no longer de facto. Serious allegations -- regardless of evidence -- is considered as proof of guilt
  • Guilt by Association is on the rise
  • Doxxing and the cancel culture limits freedom of speech
  • Double standard based on political views
  • Accusations of "Thought" crimes are on the rise. This requires no proof and relies on projected intent.
  • Immigrants seeking a legal path have a much tougher path than those seeking an illegal path
  • Success is demonized
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Where is the freedom to practice religion being eroded? And who is demonizing success?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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Perfect society yet? Don’t hold your breath we have never had a perfect society and never will.

Income inequality- more people are working. Not very one will be wealth, but jobs help people try to achieve those goals. There are more wealth Americans than any time in history.

Environment-more detail would help. Any area or state in particular?

Discrimination- there will always be discrimination but there have been vast improvements over the last 50 years. The problem now is that the left and media want to continue to fuel that divide.

Criminal justice- if you commit a crime there is punishment.

Healthcare for the poor- call Medicaid

Education inequality- everyone gets a secondary education. In the intercity the graduation rate is less than 50% because there is no family structure in the household. The government spends more dollars per child than any other country so you can stop blaming Trump.

The conservatives see injustice but the left doesn’t want to do anything about it because they would have no election strategy.
 
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