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Do conservatives see ANY injustice in society?

eman623 said:
Since you are not yourself a conservatives, why don't you care about injustices against conservatives? Why don't they count?
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Methinks he's talking about the perceived injustices against conservatives.
 
AProudLefty said:
Where is the freedom to practice religion being eroded? And who is demonizing success?
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Just a couple of quick examples on each.

On freedom to practice religion:
Chick-Fil-A was banned from the Houston airport in part because of their Sunday observance of the sabbath.
The SCOTUS has ruled that there is religious discrimination against service providers that choose not to provide service on religious grounds.

On demonizing success:
"You didn't build that?" This sentiment is proclaimed by Barrack Obama and Elizabeth Warren for example.
"How much money does one person need?" is much in the same vein. Need has nothing to do with it and there should be no stigma attached to a person accumulating or wanting to accumulate wealth.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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There is an actual WAR on Christmas.

Seems the stores have upped their game this year, I've been seeing Christmas items slowly creeping in for over a month now. That has to be a new record.
 
The idea that we can have a forced equality of outcomes will lead to more human misery than just about anything else. The left never gets this. By allowing everyone the freedom to do the best for themselves individually, they, in turn, lift the whole. They also provide the wealth whereby government and private entities both can address the pressing needs of the day. The idea that we need to punish people for success is simply a wholly counterproductive one. What we need to do is look at the policies we've followed that have failed, political, social and educational and address them.

Yet, that we can only do if we agree that something has failed and agree on why. For example, we continually hear that more money is needed for education, always more money. Yet, has anyone stopped to ask why there are problems? How much of it has to do with the breakdown of families and the instability that causes? How much of it has to do with what is being taught and the way it is taught? How much has to do with not demanding enough or moving kids along because we're afraid of hurting their self esteem? You can pour money into education, or anything, forever, but if you don't correct the real underlying causes of the problems, you'll solve nothing.
 
dorsai said:
Just a couple of quick examples on each.

On freedom to practice religion:
Chick-Fil-A was banned from the Houston airport in part because of their Sunday observance of the sabbath.
The SCOTUS has ruled that there is religious discrimination against service providers that choose not to provide service on religious grounds.

On demonizing success:
"You didn't build that?" This sentiment is proclaimed by Barrack Obama and Elizabeth Warren for example.
"How much money does one person need?" is much in the same vein. Need has nothing to do with it and there should be no stigma attached to a person accumulating or wanting to accumulate wealth.
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I googled. Apparently they still have a restaurant there?
Also Obama's words were taken out of context. Besides it would be silly for a rich person to say something like that to another one.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
You mean like the freedom to have gay sex in your own home? Conservatives on the court, including Scalia all ruled in favor of Texas' ban on sodomy. A gay man was arrested in his own home for having gay sex. Probably one of the most absurd infringements of individual freedom I ever heard of.

It seems the only individual freedoms they care about are their own.

Moreover, that seems like a very short and self-serving list.
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Well by that fine definition, all people of Tx that engage in oral sex, which is also sodomy, should have been arrested right along with him.
Though, that isn't why the law was created, so all those oral sex enthusiasts get a pass.
 
OlNate said:
Yes...billionaires "earn" everything, at no expense to the citizenry. I also poop skittles. Want some?



Was actually shocked at the reasonableness of this response...until the bolded, which made me go "Ah, right, there he is".



Spoken like someone with privilege. Good for you. Surely only your reality applies.



Take half the story, make up the rest, and yeah, the world suddenly becomes fair. Again, good for you.



An economic reality...except in pretty much every other 1st world country...leading one to wonder if America is a 1st world country?



An economic reality...except in pretty much every other 1st world country...leading one to wonder if America is a 1st world country?

Predictably wrong is still wrong. You could have saved space and simply said "I don't care about anyone but myself". That would have sufficed. In fact, you could have saved even more space and simply not posted...we already know.

Don't get salty, just trying to be helpful. :)
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Yes, but only if they are Wild Berry flavored.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
So, if you can't fix all the problems in the world you should just do nothing?
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Isn't it funny how most conservatives didn't take this stance when the War on Drugs was implemented with its many, many holes of logic, and lack of fixing all problems related to drug abuse?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Surely we don't have a perfect society yet. So are there any injustices in our society that conservatives care about?

Here are some of the injustices liberals see:

1. Growing income inequality. The gap between rich and poor is growing.

2. Environment pollution

3. Discrimination by race, sex, and sexual orientation

4. Criminal justice

5. Healthcare for the poor

6. Educational inequality

Do conservatives see any injustice in society?
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I am not a conservative, or liberal, or progressive. I understand some conservatives ideas though. A thinking conservative would say there are injustices and problems, obviously, but that giving the central government ever more money and power is not the solution.

Healthcare, etc., for the poor should be done at state and local levels.

Yes there are many problems that have to be addressed centrally. But there has to be restraint and thoughtfulness. Very often good intentions lead to unintended consequences. The world is complex.
 
HumblePi said:
Little personal story here. I just had dinner with old friends from high school, one of them voted for Trump and is sticking with Trump all the way. She was talking about her family and mentioned a niece who she's very unhappy with and she spoke about her in a very negative way. She kept repeating the phrase "but, she's a liberal" in regard to this niece. I asked her why that's a problem. She told me that this niece gave her a gift, a package containing all biodegradable items. The niece made it a point to tell her that everything would help keep the planet clean. My friend was offended, like 'how dare she promote her liberal ideas on me!'

I told my friend, 'well, I'm also a liberal'. I told her that niece is a young women and these younger people are much wiser and more aware than we could ever be of the damage man is doing to our planet. She just didn't get it. She only saw this niece as trying to force her to do something, like help the planet, that she doesn't feel needs any help.

It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
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Your story shows that there are stupid conservatives. But have you noticed there are stupid progressives/liberals also?
 
HumblePi said:
Little personal story here. I just had dinner with old friends from high school, one of them voted for Trump and is sticking with Trump all the way. She was talking about her family and mentioned a niece who she's very unhappy with and she spoke about her in a very negative way. She kept repeating the phrase "but, she's a liberal" in regard to this niece. I asked her why that's a problem. She told me that this niece gave her a gift, a package containing all biodegradable items. The niece made it a point to tell her that everything would help keep the planet clean. My friend was offended, like 'how dare she promote her liberal ideas on me!'

I told my friend, 'well, I'm also a liberal'. I told her that niece is a young women and these younger people are much wiser and more aware than we could ever be of the damage man is doing to our planet. She just didn't get it. She only saw this niece as trying to force her to do something, like help the planet, that she doesn't feel needs any help.

It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
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Wow. Way to completely misinterpret what your friend was saying. You should really leave whats 'in the mind of a conservative' to someone who knows what they hell they are talking about. Because you havent got a clue.
 
dorsai said:
Just a couple of quick examples on each.

On freedom to practice religion:
Chick-Fil-A was banned from the Houston airport in part because of their Sunday observance of the sabbath.
The SCOTUS has ruled that there is religious discrimination against service providers that choose not to provide service on religious grounds.

On demonizing success:
"You didn't build that?" This sentiment is proclaimed by Barrack Obama and Elizabeth Warren for example.
"How much money does one person need?" is much in the same vein. Need has nothing to do with it and there should be no stigma attached to a person accumulating or wanting to accumulate wealth.
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Flagrant misunderstanding of what Elizabeth Warren said, and what Obama co-opted. She clearly states in her monologue on this, that corporations and industry should take the lion's share of their profit, but also, they didn't do it alone.
Without the roads and infrastructure paid for by all tax payers, they wouldn't be able to ship their goods to consumers, without tax breaks that most big corporations get from towns/municipalities and/or states, their profit margins would be less.
But why should the every-day taxpayer subsidize your business? If you can't earn the money without government welfare, is that the fault of the taxpayer? Big business has a responsibility to help pay for things they take advantage of and sometimes exploit for gain.
 
HumblePi said:
Little personal story here. I just had dinner with old friends from high school, one of them voted for Trump and is sticking with Trump all the way. She was talking about her family and mentioned a niece who she's very unhappy with and she spoke about her in a very negative way. She kept repeating the phrase "but, she's a liberal" in regard to this niece. I asked her why that's a problem. She told me that this niece gave her a gift, a package containing all biodegradable items. The niece made it a point to tell her that everything would help keep the planet clean. My friend was offended, like 'how dare she promote her liberal ideas on me!'

I told my friend, 'well, I'm also a liberal'. I told her that niece is a young women and these younger people are much wiser and more aware than we could ever be of the damage man is doing to our planet. She just didn't get it. She only saw this niece as trying to force her to do something, like help the planet, that she doesn't feel needs any help.

It's the mind of a conservative. "I don't care if you're right about this, I only care that I am"
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That's funny. Here's another little personal story:

I work in a healthcare setting. When Obamacare was first passed, I had this older lady who was just going on and on about how awful socialized medicine is, and how she hates what is happening to this country, and people need to pay for what they use, etc, etc... basically all the usual Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck talking points. She was absolutely livid with outrage. As she kept ranting, I just opened her folder to see what kind of insurance coverage she had herself. Her coverage? Medicare primary with Medicaid supplemental! :lamo
 
Fletch said:
Wow. Way to completely misinterpret what your friend was saying. You should really leave whats 'in the mind of a conservative' to someone who knows what they hell they are talking about. Because you havent got a clue.
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We can only go by what they say.

Remember those 2009 Tea Party placards "Stop socialized medicine and keep your hands off my Medicare!" ? :lamo

It sounds like these are just uneducated people just being whipped up by Fox News.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Your story shows that there are stupid conservatives. But have you noticed there are stupid progressives/liberals also?
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To answer your question I submit the following quote.
The two most common things in the universe, are hydrogen and stupidity. -Harlan Ellison
(later tweaked by Zappa) to include "and stupidity has a longer shelf life".
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
1. Notice I mention GROWING income inequality. I have no problem with the reality that some are richer than others. I have a problem with the inequality growing continually. Money is also power. So we also have a growing inequality of power. That's not a problem to you?

2. You say you care about the environment but I don't see this concern in any conservative platforms. It seems you don't agree with conservatives on this issue.

3. In other words, you don't care about discrimination. It would be great if we only disagreed on how to deal with discrimination. It would be great if conservatives had some alternative approach. But it's just denial and indifference.

4. Studies have shown that Black and Whites use marijuana at the same rate that Blacks are far far more likely to be in prison for the same thing. Moreover, many minorities are in prison solely because they cannot afford bail or cannot afford to pay fines. Is that not injustice?

5. So you don't care that poor sick people die. Got it.

6. Poorly educated poor people is "just economic reality" but you don't want to do anything to change it. Moreover, a better educated society helps the entire society and reduces poverty.


Is there any injustice in society that is affecting other that you care about. I'm not poor. I have no reason to care about poor people without healthcare or those who can't afford an education. But I care about those who are less fortunate or others facing injustices.

Are there people outside of yourself and your own group that you feel are being treated unfairly?
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Growing...who cares? As long as they arent stealing from you oppressing you, all you are doing is whining about YOUR ineptitude. There is no injustice.

2-Do you see a conservative platform that says "**** on the environment"? No...what you do is swallow a ridiculous bull**** leftist rhetoric that says evil republicans dont care...and thats good enough for you.

3-No...I really dont care about PERSONAL discrimination. Show me institutional discrimination in a government entity and we'll attack that head on. Personal? Be whatever you want. FFS...you dont think by you starting this thread you havent exposed yourself and said "hey! look at me! I'm a bigot! I have preconceived prejudices against conservatives!!!" Of course you have...and thats your right. Who cares.

4-Did I not recognize that in my response?

5-Poor sick people die. Poor sick people eat like ****. Poor sick people drink and smoke **** and take lousy care of themselves. We have created systems to provide for them. If they cant afford any care at all they are covered...all they have to do is qualify and if they are incapable...they qualify. If they require life saving health care they can get it going to the nearest non private ER...and they will never be expected to pay back their bills...everyone else will.

6-Ive offered more on this site to 'change' the poverty in the inner cities than any progressive on this site. You people talk **** but you dont give a **** about poor people or mino0rities. Not a single damn. So save your rightous indignation and poutrageous hypocrisy.
 
ataraxia said:
That's funny. Here's another little personal story:

I work in a healthcare setting. When Obamacare was first passed, I had this older lady who was just going on and on about how awful socialized medicine is, and how she hates what is happening to this country, and people need to pay for what they use, etc, etc... basically all the usual Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck talking points. She was absolutely livid with outrage. As she kept ranting, I just opened her folder to see what kind of insurance coverage she had herself. Her coverage? Medicare primary with Medicaid supplemental! :lamo
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Those folks are called Duel coverage clients, as they have both programs that will ultimately pay for 100% of their medical costs, and if they have a medicare buy-in program as well, they don't have to pay for the premium for Part B.
 
ataraxia said:
That's funny. Here's another little personal story:

I work in a healthcare setting. When Obamacare was first passed, I had this older lady who was just going on and on about how awful socialized medicine is, and how she hates what is happening to this country, and people need to pay for what they use, basically all the usual Sean Hannity/Glenn Beck talking points. She was absolutely livid with outrage. As she kept ranting, I just opened her folder to see what kind of insurance coverage she had herself. Her coverage? Medicare primary with Medicaid supplemental! :lamo
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Another personal story. I have a neighbor down the block. He's 58 years old living in the home his mother and father left him when they died. He drinks too much, overweight, big bush of white hair and unruly white beard, never worked a day in his life, does nothing but chop firewood (that he pays the local tree cutter with a case of beer to supply him) smokes, drives around in his 2018 Ford Mustang that he bought with his father's inheritance and complains all the time about "them damned libruls, all they want are handouts and free stuff. We need a war and I'm ready for it with my guns".

This guy has lived on the dime of others his entire life and he's got the balls to complain about food subsidies or rent vouchers. Yet he doesn't consider the handouts to our farmers who are hurting because of Trump's tariffs to be 'entitlements' but THEY ARE!
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
No, I just asked a question. What injustices do conservatives care about?

And injustices against conservatives don't really count. I'm talking about caring about people other than yourself.
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It is possible to care about other people, while acknowledging we have limited power to fix everyone. A healthy economic system will probably help more people than attempts by the central government to make things fair.
 
HumblePi said:
Another personal story. I have a neighbor down the block. He's 58 years old living in the home his mother and father left him when they died. He drinks too much, overweight, big bush of white hair and unruly white beard, never worked a day in his life, does nothing but chop firewood (that he pays the local tree cutter with a case of beer to supply him) smokes, drives around in his 2018 Ford Mustang that he bought with his father's inheritance and complains all the time about "them damned libruls, all they want are handouts and free stuff. We need a war and I'm ready for it with my guns".

This guy has lived on the dime of others his entire life and he's got the balls to complain about food subsidies or rent vouchers. Yet he doesn't consider the handouts to our farmers who are hurting because of Trump's tariffs to be 'entitlements' but THEY ARE!
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But this guy isn't on the public dole so he can complain about it if he feels like it. You don't have to agree with him but you are also not subsidizing him.
 
veritas1 said:
But this guy isn't on the public dole so he can complain about it if he feels like it. You don't have to agree with him but you are also not subsidizing him.
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That may be true, but many liberals claim that technically everyone is on the public doll. By that I mean, they claim that if you enjoy equal access to government provided services such as open roads, or are able to call upon the police or the fire department, you are taking advantage of such social systems.
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is possible to care about other people, while acknowledging we have limited power to fix everyone. A healthy economic system will probably help more people than attempts by the central government to make things fair.
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Precisely. Attempts to artificially "correct" all things that are, de-facto, unequal, only results in punishing those who are disciplined, successful or simply lucky. Things in life are not equal. 5'6 135 lb. guys can't play in the NFL, for example, though they may be computer geniuses. This is how life is.
 
veritas1 said:
But this guy isn't on the public dole so he can complain about it if he feels like it. You don't have to agree with him but you are also not subsidizing him.
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He has been give an entirely free place to live, free food, free everything. Yet, he complains because there's help for people in real need. And as far as his health care, if he has any at all which I doubt, he would find a way to get that for free too. He didn't complain when he's been subsidized all his life, not by me or any taxpayer, but subsidized entirely for sure.
 
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